I love how everyone supposedly "raised Catholic" repeats the protestant matra about how Catholics aren't "saved" because "babies can't admit they are a sinner and profess Jesus as their Lord and Savior", and then people point out that Catholics do indeed do things before reaching adulthood (during Confession and Confirmation), which anyone "raised Catholic" would know, but pretends not to be aware of.
When confronted with those pesky facts, you guys simply move the goalposts. So in order to be "Saved", everyone else on the planet (atheist, Muslim, Hindu, agnostic, etc.) simply needs to "admit they are a sinner" and "accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior", UNLESS the person happens to be Catholic. In ONLY that circumstance, the person must ALSO attend a tent revival and convert to protestantism in order to "be saved".
It's like how ex-Catholics INSIST they "never heard the Gospel" in a Catholic Church, when in reality ALL Catholic masses do Gospel readings EVERY Sunday, and that is a REQUIREMENT of the liturgy. If the "ex-Catholics" actually "never heard the Gospel", its because they weren't paying attention, which would be your fault, not the fault of the church.
Well anyway, we can now add your extra set of "rules", so Jim Cavizel will "never do a movie as a Christian" until he converts to Protestantism. Similarly, Jonathan Roumie "never became a Christian" either, simply due to the fact he's Catholic. Wow, we sure have a lot of non-Christians playing Jesus. Sucks for you guys!
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DonenWoods13 (308)
a month ago
Current Roman Catholic here. Jim Caviezel has long displayed Catholic/Christian virtue. In the below link, he says "you can see my wife in the background" in a scene during Angel Eyes with Jennifer Lopez. He told JLo he'd be remaining clothed out of respect for his marriage and wife.
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=104898&page=1
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ReelReviews14 (1220)
a month ago
It's difficult to determine when protestants decide someone has "become a Christian", since they break their own "rules". For everyone else, all you have to do to "become a Christian" is admit you are a sinner and profess that Jesus is your lord and savior. But if Catholics do that, it doesn't "count" (even if Catholics do it at an adult age and are fully aware what that means). But if a 6 year old protestant admits they are a sinner and says Jesus is Lord, they're good to go!
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BillySlater (4241)
a month ago
"But if a 6 year old protestant admits they are a sinner and says Jesus is Lord, they're good to go!"
A protestant can't come to faith at age 6 either because that is not what the Bible teaches and if any church (protestant or otherwise) is teaching that a child can get saved at age 6, they're a false church too.
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BillySlater (4241)
a month ago
You are strawmanning me. I think there are saved people in the Catholic church but they would be in the absolute vast minority, they would have to have a very basic view of scripture because the RCC is a false church for a wide variety of reasons which I am not going to go into but the point being is that salvation is by grace through faith alone. It is a gift of God, not a result of works. Ephesians 2:8-9.
Not hearing the Gospel is because the RCC does not present the true gospel. RCCs generally believe you attain salvation by performing all the sacraments (works) as well as having faith and then you "might make it to heaven" but there isnt even a consensus on that. They also believe in purgatory which is unBiblical. You could ask 1000 different priests how to get to heaven as a Catholic and you could get 1000 different answers because they simply don't know.
As for Jim Caviezel, the jury is out on him, yes he has demonstrated zeal for for his faith publicly but he refuses to leave the false church that is the RCC and that is a red flag because most believers who would come to faith in the RCC by hearing the gospel elsewhere would surely leave.
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DonenWoods13 (308)
a month ago
Have you ever attended a Catholic Mass? It has been my personal experience that the people who are quickest to judge my Faith are often not fully informed of what transpires. Your post seems to indicate that you have not experienced a Catholic Mass.
Readings from Scripture are part of every Mass. At least two readings, one always from the Gospels, (3 on Sundays and solemnities) make up the Liturgy of the Word. In addition, a psalm or canticle is sung.
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BillySlater (4241)
a month ago
What they do at mass is largely irrelevant, its what they believe. They believe in the veneration of Mary and statues of her likeness, which is idolatry. They believe in praying to Mary, a dead human, as well as dead saints, other dead humans as well as praying for the dead.
Scripture is explicitly clear that communication with the dead is prohibited. Furthermore, praying for the dead is completely pointless because those who die in Christ immediately go to heaven to the presence of the Lord while those who die as unbelievers are cast into hell.
On the subject of Catholic "saints", scripture is also unequivocally clear about only God knowing who all the true saints are. (Parable of the wheat and the tares). So its completely nonsensical not to mention unBiblical for the Catholic Church to canonize those who they believe are saints.
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DonenWoods13 (308)
a month ago
I just saw you said you are an ex-Catholic. I hope you are moved to return.
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BillySlater (4241)
a month ago
I'm a born-again Bible believer now, that would rule me out of returning to any religion that contradicts God's word.
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DonenWoods13 (308)
a month ago
I am happy for your Salvation. But I am going to pray for your return ... and you can't stop me! ;D
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