Disney has made a lot of rated R films since he died. Would he have approved?
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Given the era he lived in, he probably wouldn't see the LGBTQ agenda that his company espouses as good. I'd say he'd consider it evil, especially promoting it or normalizing it in their newer shows/movies.
shareIf he is, it's because of how woke Disney has become.
shareWhat are your best examples of how woke Disney has become?
shareLesbian kiss in rise of Skywalker, gay characters in Beauty and the Beast
shareLesbians have been kissing for thousands of years. Pre-code films had lots of risque stuff like that when Disney was alive. Betty Boop had pansies!
shareIn your opinion, why is gay kissing in films woke, but heterosexual kissing not woke?
I see the term "woke" around all the time without people saying what their version means. It gets rather irrelevant after a while.
We are all aware that people of any sexual orientation show affection on screen, why is that only certain cases are woke and others are not?
Since when was hetersexual kissing ever woke? How does having a homosexual kiss contribute to the plot which has nothing to do with homosexuality?
shareWhy are you evading an answer to my question?
You're really getting picky when you claim every little detail needs to be essential to the plot.
Why is heterosexual not woke, but homosexuality is?
> Why are you evading an answer to my question?
I was hoping my response would have made you think. It appears that didn't happen.
>Why is heterosexual not woke, but homosexuality is?
Heterosexual was never considered woke. The definition of 'woke' varies from who you ask but most people see having homosexuality in a movie purely for the sake of diversity then it's woke and a distraction.
So how do you define woke? Aware and enlightened is how I define the word.
This is the trouble with new slang; it is very vague. I think you are depending upon using slang that does not have a consistent definition among the "to easy to be offended" crowd that you are a part of.
Belle has to be passionate about books AND inventing stuff, and she only needs to dislike Gaston because he’s interested in her and she can treat him however she wants because he’s a man and she’s a strong independent woman. Cast Emma Watson with her arrogant, nose-in-the-air attitude and you’re got the perfect Belle for this movie.
Jasmine is also a strong independent woman because now she doesn’t just want freedom and a friend, she wants to be sultan.
Maleficent was never an all-evil being who delighted in tormenting others, she was just hurt by a man. Because women can’t be evil.
And of course, the Mulan remake, and the dreadful, unneeded Woke Side Story - do I need to explain those?
Are you kidding me with Beauty and the Beast? She says no. More than once. In both versions. In both versions he won't take no for an answer and continues to pursue her after she rejects him. He wants her just because she is pretty and he sees her as a conquest. Then he gets the whole town to turn on her and her dad. Yeah. Belle is really the villain there.
shareNo, I’m not kidding you.
Just watch Belle’s first scene with Gaston in the superior original and the abhorrent, inferior remake back-to-back.
In the superior original, Belle is a very kind woman with a lot of patience, and she doesn’t stoop to anyone’s level because she never needed to. She was pleasant to Gaston from the beginning and had every reason to react with hostility to him for demeaning her, objectifying her, treating her property like garbage, and just plain treating her rudely, and she’s clearly not happy with his behavior but she is still being polite and kind, and trying to turn him down as gently as possible. It’s not until Lefou insults her father and Gaston laughs along with it that she gets openly angry. It takes a lot to make Belle angry, and she was otherwise incredibly patient with Gaston who had been stepping over the line plenty of times in just their first scene alone.
In the abhorrent, inferior remake, Gaston is actually trying to be nice to her and complement her, even if he doesn’t like the same things she does. He is at least trying to connect with her on her interests. It’s one thing if Belle is not interested in him, but she doesn’t even try to be nice to him. She is completely standoffish from the beginning for no real reason and doesn’t return his greeting. Gaston gives her flowers and Belle reacts as if he had just handed her poison ivy, and she is completely rude in the way she turns him down, again for no reason, despite that this was in no way an unreasonable interaction. Again, it’s one thing if she’s not interested in him but this is Belle we’re talking about. This is not in her character at all.
Yeah, I'm sorry, if you think that Gaston is treating Belle nicely in the remake we will not see eye to eye. He is a misogynist ass. Why should Belle or any woman have to keep being polite, and gentle, and to wait to be insulted before she is allowed to get angry?
shareYeah, there is no having a discussion with you, even when the obvious is explained to you.
Then again, I’ve looked at some of your recent posts and you are the same person who can’t even define what a woman is, so I have no reason to take anything you say seriously.
Pardon me if I think that defining women is a lot more than just vaginas, ovaries, and the ability to breast feed. Pardon me for leaving those definitions to biologists. If you want to talk about gender roles we can, but gender roles are rather different than biological sex. Pardon me for wanting who I am as a woman to mean more than just what is, or isn't between my legs or sitting on my chest.
I am going to assume that you are male, if you are not, than I do apologise, but your words make me assume that. Especially the patronizing tone with
even when the obvious is explained to youI'm also going to assume that you haven't been on the receiving end of the advances of a man just like Gaston. One who thinks that he's all that and won't take no for an answer. If you had been, you might look at his behaviour a little differently.
In the English language, "gender" is nothing more than a synonym for "sex", and there are only two sexes/genders: male and female. In English, "gender" has no additional psychological meaning. The recent convoluted spinning of the definition of "gender" to differentiate it from "sex" is an illiterate woke ideological construct.
shareThen please explain gender roles for centuries.
share🤣🤣🤣Methinks it's time to invest in a dictionary!
shareThat is like saying that you won’t observe that the sky is blue or that it’s raining outside, because you will leave that to the meteorologists. That’s incoherent and makes no sense. So no, I will not pardon you.
I will point out that you are missing the obvious, because it’s obvious that Gaston in the remake is not being a jerk or a narcissist in his first scene with Belle! She is being a bitch for no reason, and Disney thinks that is empowering but it’s just rendering her character more unlikable. And then she just leaves him standing there speechless, so you’re claiming he’s not taking no for an answer by…taking no for an answer in that moment? What?
You are completely missing the point of what I'm trying to say. There are biological definitions of the sexes male and female. I haven't disputed that. I'm also saying that biologically, there are anomalies. So I don't think that it's just black and white. Where do we draw the line as to what is female? What makes a male? Look at spotted Hyenas. All females have a fully functioning penis. Some female bears are intersex too. So biologically speaking, is it chromosomes? Is it the sex organs? So yeah. I'm not qualified to make that distinction. I'm asking if that is what makes a woman or a man? Is it the penis that makes the man, or is it what he does and who he is? I don't want to be reduced to having a vulva, a vaginal canal, ovaries, and a uterus as my identity. Sorry. You want to imply that I'm stupid because I see it as a more complex issue than just reproductive organs.
You are attempting to create confusion where there is none, and that is what I have no respect or tolerance for. You have female reproductive organs? You’re a female. You have male reproductive organs? You’re a male. Period. There is no reason to make this more complicated.
It’s also interesting that you are still making the “gender is a social construct”argument because people on your side have been making that argument for about a decade up until 5-7 years ago, and now these same people will look at a boy who takes an interest in “girly” things and say “he must be a girl!” It’s insane, it’s incoherent, and worse, it’s evil and it’s one of the worst ways you can abuse a child. The fact that it’s not considered a crime that warrants serious prison time is something that makes my blood boil. I have no desire to keep engaging with you, so this is where our interaction stops.
people on your side
As for the topic at hand, you are implying that the first time that we see Belle and Gaston in the movie is the first time they meet? They know each other. It is implied that this isn't the first time Gaston has hit on her. The first scene with Gaston and LeFeu, Gaston even says that Belle is argumentative. To me, that implies that this isn't the first time he's made a pass. One can argue that in the song where he says that he's making plans to woo and marry her says differently, but I think the previous line says that he just decided that he would marry her.
If you think he's so nice, you missed the seen before where he encourages his horse to kick mud on the Bimbette triplets. I also didn't see her being rude when he shoves the flowers in her face and says shall I join you for dinner. She says "not tonight". How is that rude? Then Gaston replies to LeFeu that he's not moving on and then refers to Belle as prey. He tramples her vegetables and then tells her that she shouldn't be concerning herself with children other than her own, and implies those children should be with him. He says he's changed. (again implying that they know each other). Belle says they couldn't make each other happy. Okay. Again I'm not seeing the rudeness. He then implies that she's simple, and that if she doesn't marry she will end up homeless and begging for food when her father dies. Who's being rude?
Then she says she will never marry him. He doesn't give up. So yeah. He's not taking no for an answer.
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He's probably stilling spinning so many no no's been done since his death.
shareGiven he had his remains cremated, no.
But it's a pity he did. Because I actually think that if he hadn't, they could wrap his corpse in copper wire, put it between the poles of of a magnet, and power Disneyworld off him spinning in his grave.
I always though he was tucked away in a tube of liquid nitrogen somewhere but the BBC have a clip agreeing that he was cremated - live and learn.
shareI thought they only froze his head.
shareThat's another version I'd heard but apparently it just ain't so. https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20190426-was-walt-disney-frozen-after-death
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