Do you think he'll be prosecuted?
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shareSounds like it was definitely an accident so no
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No. He and his production company are going to be slammed with a massive lawsuit, though.
Ditto on this. Unless it transpires that he was ****ing around.
shareThe prop master was pretty much ignoring most of the safety rules for guns on movie sets. She's a twenty four year old with almost no experience, non union. I just saw a video from the actor Robert Davi who's done a lot of action movies, and he went over the protocols for giving an actor a weapon. The prop master or armorer is supposed to do it, and they are supposed to check the weapon, and then after the actor gets the weapon, the actor checks again. And the actor is never supposed to point the weapon at anyone.
This makes sense. I am not an expert, but I grew up in a gun owning family, and the first rule is that you always treat a gun like its loaded.
On this set, they just had a table where the weapons were supposed to have been checked. Crew members other than the prop master would just pick up the weapons. In this case, the assistant director took the gun off that table thinking it had already been checked, handed it to Baldwin, and neither of them bothered to check it. It's easy to see how a gun that actually hadn't been checked ended up in Baldwin's hands with such careless handling of the weapons. They put the safety rules in place for a reason.
Baldwin had a lot of experience, so he had to know that rules were being ignored. Also, his company was one of the companies financing the movie. I think he's in for a massive lawsuit, yeah.
Yes, regardless of how low budget or 'indie' a movie is, there are some things you just don't compromise on.
shareI understand and i agree about all you said , but my question is why was a live ammo in that prop gun
shareI've come across an unconfirmed story that they'd been shooting with real ammunition with the owner of the ranch where they were filming. A gun with real ammunition in it could have ended up on the wrong table, where the guns were supposed to be checked.
shareNo, at most he'll lose his millions. A quick check says his net worth is $60 million.
shareNo. But I bet they throw this movie the hell out and forget it ever happened.
shareNo. It should be negligent homicide, but he'll skate. He won't even be booked.
I agree with those who say there will be civil actions, perhaps even against him personally. But we saw what good they are when OJ Simpson was sued.
Yep. OJ has barely paid little of that civil lawsuit. He probably keeps his money offshore accounts. Not to mention his NFL pension is untouched.
So, civil lawsuits mean nothing.
Unfortunately no. I mean I doubt it was an accident. I highly doubt it. Because he has a lot of money he will hire the best attorney to make everyone think that it was an accident and he will get out of it clean. Unfortunately if you have a lot of money you buy the law. The laws only apply for the poor and middle class.
shareI doubt it was an accident. I highly doubt it
So you are saying he purposefully planned to kill this woman?
Why?
What motive does he have to kill this woman? share
I can think of several possible motives.
First of all, Baldwin hates women and is a known violent abuser. He likely doesn't take kindly to being ordered around by them. This woman was known to be a perfectionist and very picky about her work. This was a tax shelter production for Baldwin, and he probably didn't give a shit about it, while she was being very demanding and getting on his nerves. Likely got him really pissed off. Maybe she pissed him off so much, he wanted her dead.
She was quite an attractive woman. An alternate theory would be that they were sexually involved and he wanted to shut her up, or maybe she had some dirty laundry on him. Maybe drugs, or abuse of some kind.
Don't waste your time asking me for citations on these, because they are pure speculation and I just wrote them to show that there are indeed possible reasons Baldwin would want to deliberately commit murder.
Baldwin hates women and is a known violent abuser
He hates all woman? Please cite sources for known violent abuse.
He likely doesn't take kindly to being ordered around by them
You literally have no way of proving this so is basically only your opinion
This woman was known to be a perfectionist and very picky about her work
Nothing to do with the incident at hand
This was a tax shelter production for Baldwin, and he probably didn't give a shit about it, while she was being very demanding and getting on his nerves
Please cite your sources
Maybe she pissed him off so much, he wanted her dead.
Again your opinion backed up with no evidence
She was quite an attractive woman
has nothing to do with the incident
An alternate theory would be that they were sexually involved and he wanted to shut her up
Please cite your sources reagrding this
or maybe she had some dirty laundry on him. Maybe drugs, or abuse of some kind
Please cite your sources regarding this
Don't waste your time asking me for citations on these, because they are pure speculation and I just wrote them to show that there are indeed possible reasons Baldwin would want to deliberately commit murder.
You can't make accusations such as this without backing up them so ending your statement that way means nothing. Everything you wrote is based on zero facts and is your opinion only and hsould be yaken as such. You have zero evidence of anything you stated based on your bias.
So no i won't do as you say and yes.
PLEASE CITE YOUR SOURCES
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You're a total obtuse knob. You asked for reasons and I gave you POSSIBLE reasons. Neither of us know what happened, but I provided you with a list of POSSIBLE reasons he would have had a motive for murder. I did not give you DEFINITE reasons. No sources are necessary, but any of those reasons could CONCEIVABLY be true. We are not in a court of law. We are movie-nerds bickering on a chat forum. Repeat. NO SOURCES ARE NECESSARY.
shareYou're a total obtuse knob
Why? Due to you gettting called out on your absolutely outragous reply. You have accused a real person of some quite haness things based on nothing but your own bias. You obviously dislike the man but that doesn't mean anything you said. You then have the audacity to say that no sources are required. Get over yourself. I'm not the one being obtuse.
Neither of us know what happened
But only you made wild accusations
but I provided you with a list of POSSIBLE reasons
No you made accusations without anything to back them up with and then play the victim when called out
No sources are necessary
Yes there are when you are the one making the accusations
but any of those reasons could CONCEIVABLY be true
Then cite your sources to back up your claims or withdraw them.
Repeat. NO SOURCES ARE NECESSARY.
The place of discussion is irrelevant. You made the claims and accusations so you need to back them up or withdraw them.
If nothing is required then anyone can say anything they want about anyone at any point. Not how things work I am afraid. You made the claims not back them up. share
You need to learn the difference between accusations and theorizing. You asked what motive he would have had to commit murder and I listed several that could conceivably be the case. What are you, President of the Alec Baldwin Fan Club or something?
shareyour quote - First of all, Baldwin hates women and is a known violent abuser
That is not a theory. That is an accusation. You are stating it as fact. Even using the word "known" meaning that it is in the public eye which it isn't.
You asked what motive he would have had to commit murder and I listed several that could conceivably be the case
No you listed unsubstantiated accusations.
He has zero motive to kill this woman and everything you wrote is just unsubstantiated nonsense.
What are you, President of the Alec Baldwin Fan Club or something?
That is the equilivant of when people say "they won't sleep with you". Don't you like it when people call you out on the nonsense you wrote. Get used to it if you continue to post bollocks about people on a public forum.
No I personally think Alec Baldwin is a complete douchbag but that doesn't take away anything i wrote. I wasn't replying to him, i was replying to you. And more importantly I was replying to someone who basically wrote complete lies based on nothing but his own bias towards someone.
If you can't back it up don't post it. Simple rule to follow.
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