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Dylan Farrow says she wants to bring down Woody Allen for sexual abuse


http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/dylan-farrow-bring-woody-allen-article-1.3761792

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I think she was just brainwashed by Mia Farrow. She's old enough to think for herself now and needs to shut up. Unless there is solid proof, Allen is entitled to presumption of innocence. She just wants to get in on the Metoo bandwagon for attention.

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I honestly don't know what to think. Woody is creepy but Mia strikes me as a bit off.

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Agreed on both points
Really weird shit with these two
But bedding your adopted daughter is certainly a freak move
Im moving along...

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When did he adopt her?

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Sorry
Do i have my story mixed up
I thought Woody and Mia had a bunch of adopted kids
Soon Ye (sp?) was one of them and later on he dumped Mia for the kid
Am i mistaken?

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He never adopted Soon Yi. She was his Mia's adopted daughter from Andre Previn.

Still creepy, but it could have been worse I guess.

Experts felt like Dylan was coached, btw.

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Ok thanks...much obliged

And yup...super creepy

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Up to a point. Soon Ye was 19, not a kid, neither Allen's daughter. You can argue about the age difference... but it happens that Mia Farrow herself mated André Previn when she was 25 and he was 41 and married. Mia reaped what she sow.

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No one knows Soon Yi's real age, but she has said their sexual relationship began while she was still in high school.

If you think Mia reaped what she sowed, Woody is overdue to adopt a son, for Soon Yi to have a relationship with him and hide it from Woody, and then leave Woody for the (much younger) son, never apologise or admit any wrongdoing or inappropriateness of it. Graphic photos of the young adoptive son must also be taken by Soon Yi, and that's how Woody discovers it.

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but she has said their sexual relationship began while she was still in high school

Source, please?

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She has said no such thing.

After they adopted Soon-Yi, Mia Farrow and her then husband André Previn had done some medicaly research, and had established Soon-Yi's birthdate at October 1970.

Her affair with Woody Allen took off at the end of 1991. The nude photo's were taken in early 1992. That makes Soon-Yi 21 at the time.

Indeed, their romance was very unfortunate, considering the circumstances, but in spite of the age gap it was an affair between consenting adults. The couple got married when Soon-Yi had completed an academic education, and was 26. They are still married today and have raised two happy adopted daughters, now adult.

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Agreed. While I felt for Farrow's pain (and understandable shock and rage in '92), this was
25 years ago! And Farrow and Allen were NEVER married, so he was NEVER Soon Yi's
"stepfather." Also, Farrow and Allen - both eccentrics - rarely lived together.

Look, we all know that Allen is pretty out there sexually (sex has always been part of
his films). It is not surprising that he adores young women (really, would Juliette Lewis
get THAT much screen time in "Husbands and Wives" if that weren't the case?). The problem
is, we have NO significant proof that Allen is a child molester. We DO know that Farrow,
a whack job if there ever was one, has been "educating" (brainwashing?) her children
for decades! Moses himself does NOT support Dylan's story, and has stated that there
are significant holes in it.

There's something else. Dylan claims this happened once. Really? Since when do child
molesters victimize ONCE?? Also, nobody else has yet come forth with any claims. It
doesn't add up.

Is it possible Allen is guilty? Of course. But it isn't likely, and he's been cleared. Dylan
Farrow seems OBSESSED with trashing Allen, and harassing ANYONE in the industry
who works for him. If this really happened to her, why on earth doesn't this young,
screwed up woman get into therapy and MOVE ON?? The more she opens her mouth,
the less convincing she is.

Should we take all statements of molestation and rape seriously? Of course. But that
doesn't mean that EVERY single complaint is legitimate.

Stars like Susan Sarandon, Michael Caine, and others make me want to vomit. The younger
stars make me even more sick. How DARE they publicly comment on something they
were not witness to, and has NOT been proven. They are disgusting.

I'm not defending Allen, as much as I am defending innocent until proven guilty.

From where I'm sitting, the actual "evidence" is that Farrow has an ax to grind, and
will stop at NOTHING to avenge an affair she should be long over!

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Innocent until proven guilty is the standard we use in a court of law, as it should be. It's meaningless in the court of public opinion. OJ never being found guilty of a double homicide isn't a good reason to think he's innocent.

That said, I'm not professing to know one way or the other on Woody. It seems unknowable.

But you talk like Farrow is pulling Dylan's strings and making her go after Woody because Mia still has an "ax to grind" over her feelings of betrayal from a 1992 affair.

That just sounds real far fetched. Dylan's a 32 year old woman with a mind of her own. To argue she's fighting a proxy war on her mother's behalf because Mia exerts some sort of jedi mind control over her just isn't reasonable.

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Brush up on your Shakespeare. Moses has stated repeatedly (as has Soon Yi) that
FARROW was physically abusive and never stopped TELLING them (brainwashing?)
what Allen "did" to Soon Yi and Dylan. If you were up on all aspects of the story,
you'd know that Farrow does not come off smelling like a rose. She came from a
very dysfunctional family herself, married 50 year-old (FIFTY!!) Frank Sinatra when
she was twenty. Several years back, she tried to starve herself to death (!!!) in
protest over some situation involving wrongs committed on children. She only stopped
when she admitted it was too painful (!!!!) to starve oneself to death.

She is not playing with a full deck.

Look, I don't know anything more than you do. But I do NOT buy Allen's guilt at
this stage of the situation. And for Susan Sarandon to state at the Cannes Film
Festival several years back (when asked what she thought of his new film), "I
don't support child molesters" is the height of unethical commentary. It's outrageous.

As for Michael Caine stating he won't work with Allen again, who cares? And if the
man's so sincere he can turn in his Oscar ("Hannah and Her Sisters")...or maybe
auction it off and give the proceeds to genuine child abuse victims.

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Sorry, but you don't know any more about this than anyone else does. Moses initially stood behind Farrow. He's changed his position.

There are allegations that Allen was the one who was abusive, in more ways than one.

We don't know the truth. It's very unlikely we will never know the truth.

IMO *neither* Allen or Farrow are playing with a full deck. To blame all of this on Farrow is, while assuming all innocence on the part of Allen, is naive at best, and sexist at worst.

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So why cite Moses while conveniently ignoring Ronan? He's long stood behind his sister.

In fact, back in 2016 way before Moses turned against his mother, Ronan finally opened up about why he was estranged from his father and believed his sister. He never saw any actual abuse but talked about how his dad's behavior around her weirded him out, climbing into bed with her in the middle of the night and forcing her to suck his thumb.

Another thing I remember from that interview is him talking about how his dad was always courting him with financial assistance, offering to pay for college for instance, but it was always contingent he turn on his mother. He refused because he saw his dad's behavior around his sister firsthand and had no reason to believe she was lying.

So while Ronan is now a highly successful investigative reporter who just bagged a Pulitzer for the New Yorker, he's never needed his dad's assistance. Maybe Moses fell on hard times. It's pretty curious he initially supported his sister only to come out 4 years after she went public to instead side with his dad. Why didn't he speak up sooner?

Like I was saying, your insinuation that a 32 year old woman is fighting this public proxy war at her mother's behest from a breakup from 25 years ago just isn't believable.

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Dylan isn't very "Believable" either. And you say I don't know anything more than you. Very true. So since none of us knows, the burden of "proof" is on Dylan, who isn't very convincing. And since Allen was cleared, his is, legally, not guilty.

Again, NOBODY else has come forward with such allegations. That's not how
child molesters work. They molest repeatedly, hence their illness.

If you're so convinced of Allen's guilt, stop watching his movies.

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You sound seriously misinformed about the facts, including your false contention that he was ever legally cleared. The prosecutor is on record saying he had drawn up an arrest warrant but Farrow decided to spare her daughter the trauma of a public trial. That's not synonymous to being "legally cleared". The only final legal disposition is a scathing 33 page ruling in Allen’s custody suit against Farrow where the judge found “no credible evidence to support Mr. Allen’s contention that Ms. Farrow coached Dylan or that Ms. Farrow acted upon a desire for revenge against him for seducing Soon-Yi.”

I suggest you brush up on your Shakespeare:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts
https://www.scribd.com/document/205403621/Allen-v-Farrow-Custody-Ruling-June-7-1993

As for being "convinced of Allen's guilt", now you're putting words in my mouth. I'm just pointing out the reasons you're giving to argue his innocence aren't rationally compelling.
Asking why Dylan hasn't gotten therapy and moved on isn't a compelling reason to think she's not believable.

But like I said, I don't know.

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Soon-Yi was not Woody Allen's daughter, adopted daughter, or step daughter. She was the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and Andre Previn. Allen and Farrow never lived together, so prior to his relationship with Soon-Yi, Allen had never lived with her. In fact, he had never had much to do with her at all, until Farrow prompted him to get to know her better. At Farrow's urging, Allen befriended Soon-Yi. When their relationship became romantic, and when they were married, Soon-Yi was an adult.

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It looks creepy.

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Who cares if it 'looks' creepy? It wasn't. And they've been together for over 20 years now, and there haven't been any other allegations against Allen.

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Think what you want👍

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Sure, but please be armed with the facts first, and please think rationally.

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So edgy 😁

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Not at all. 🤷‍♂️

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There certainly have been allegations before and if you don’t think it’s creepy for a man to marry the daughter of his ex- wife that he knew as a child then this conversation is over.
Next time know the facts.

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What 'allegations' apart from the one made by Dylan Farrow?

And it's immoral and an act of betrayal to marry the daughter of one's ex-*partner* (I understand that Allen and Farrow were never married), but creepy implies something else, which I don't think is fair or reasonable in this instance.

Allen is a selfish jerk, for sure, but that's not the same as being a child molester/sex offender.

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Thing is that there will never be proof. Only Dylan Farrow and Allen know what happened back then. Still, anybody who's read through this article will most likely agree that Woody is hardly above suspicion: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/i-read-decades-of-woody-allens-private-notes-hes-obsessed-with-teenage-girls/2018/01/04/f2701482-f03b-11e7-b3bf-ab90a706e175_story.html?utm_term=.5500016dd586

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well said pzogal

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Quick, name me one person who is "above suspicion." One can suspect anyone of anything. Suspecting does not require evidence.

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That's precisely the point. There is no evidence for Allen having done it nor for Allen not having done it. Hence, demanding evidence is simply pointless in this case. There is, however, lots of circumstantial evidence that points towards Allen not being above reproach. Similarly, one could argue that the same applies to Dylan/Mia Farrow.

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Mia Farrows brother is in jail for molesting two young boys. How do we know he didn't do it? Mia never said a word abt her own brother!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478439/John-Villers-Farrow-Mia-Farrows-brother-jailed-sexually-abusing-2-boys.html

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That's awful, I never knew about this until now.

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Yep, Mia's hypocrisy is covered in the various links here:

https://ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2017/12/13/qa-with-dylan-farrow/

With regard to Dylan, I agree with Robert Weide, who stated, "I’ve never accused Dylan Farrow of lying, and never will. If you’ve read my 2016 piece on WordPress, you’ll know my position is that one can believe in Woody Allen’s innocence, without branding Ms. Farrow a liar."

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Only if Dylan Farrow does not realize she is lying, or if she realizes it, but is going it anyway to stay in the good graces of Mia Farrow. It's a conundrum. I feel sorry for her to be stuck in that position and her whole life is based on this thing between Mia Farrow and Woody Allen, not her own personhood and that is awful. On the other hand, I do not think what she says is correct or true.

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Mia Farrows brother is in jail for molesting two young boys

Maybe it was him who molested Dylan, and after coach enough she finally imagined that it was Woody Allen who did it. People can build fake memories, specially memories from a very young age... or change the ones that really happened.

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A pedophile who's into molesting boys is highly unlikely to be sexually interested in girls. There's literally zero evidence that Mia's brother molested Dylan. Silly to even mention it.

But it did bother me that Mia has remained entirely silent about her (convicted, on two counts) pedophile brother. I get that he's her brother, but what about those young boys he molested?! I'd have thought more highly of her if she'd been brave enough to speak up and honestly about her brother.

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Unless more accusations come out to the point of being impossible to deny.

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I agree that she was brainwashed. There was a thorough investigation of this done at the time. It sounded like Dylan was coached by Mia Farrow. https://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/yale-new-haven-hospital-allen.pdf

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Have to agree. One needs to know the sick background between Mia Farrow and Woody Allen. First, they were
NEVER married (they lived across the street from one another in separate NY apartments). Secondly, Farrow is
a whack job, who has adopted more children than Ma and Pa Kettle ever had, and her own son does
not speak to her, and does not support Dylan's story (in several instances, he has testified that he was WITH her
when she claims Allen molested her).

Thirdly, in all these years, no other individual has come forth to claim Allen sexually assaulted them. Nobody.

Mia Farrow remains furious all these years later for the (admittedly gross) relationship between Allen and Soon Yi.
Dylan's brother has accused Mia Farrow of physical abuse and of actively brainwashing her children into
believing Allen molested Dylan. But Allen and Soon Yi are now parents, they are NOT blood related, and they've
been married for years. It's ancient history, for heaven's sake.

Innocent until proven guilty is right.

As for pigs like Susan Sarandon, who has bashed Allen despite proof, there's a nice warm place for them
several floors down. GOODBYE.

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I read that Mia tried to get Woody to marry her AFTER he was discovered. Plus she tried to convince the court that Soon Yi was mentally disabled (guess her master's degree was a fluke, eh?)

Mia is a piece of work.

(Not that the relationship wasn't icky, but Mia was definitely acting like a woman scorned...)

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Dylan's brother Ronan has defended her, see the thread I started and everyone ignored.

Nobody defending Woody is posting links, just rumors!

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There is NO proof that this young woman is being honest. There is much doubt about the accuracy of
her "story", including huge inconsistencies when she was originally interviewed.

Am I convinced Allen is innocent? Nope. But I'm in no way convinced he's guilty.

Anyway, gotta run - I'm due to meet a friend to see this great filmmaker's latest film, "Wonder Wheel",
which has gotten excellent reviews.

Bye now.

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The fact that they were never married during their 12-year relationship isn't evidence of sickness. They did not live across the street from one another, but across Central Park.

Mia came from a large Irish Catholic family -- 9 members -- so it's not at all surprising she'd want a large family as well; it was normal to her. The Catholic Church forbade its members to use birth control at the time, so many Irish Catholic families were large.

There are many families with lots of children. Do you consider those parents sick? Mia was well off financially, and could afford to give her adopted kids lives far better than those they had before she adopted them. On the face of it, I admire her for adopting these children, even taking on kids with serious physical disabilities, who would doubtless have languished in orphanages until they became of age, and then who knows what would have become of them.

Whether or not she mistreated them is another issue. Soon Yi and Moses said she did, the other children say she didn't.

Woody, who didn't like kids (or animals), was reclusive and no doubt felt overwhelmed by Mia's apartment and lifestyle, which was filled with noisy kids and animals, so they worked it out by maintaining separate residences. Some long-term and even married couples do that; some even live their lives bi-coastally. Unconventional, yes. Sick, no.

"her own son does not speak to her, and does not support Dylan's story (in several instances, he has testified that he was WITH her when she claims Allen molested her).

Well, Woody's only biological child doesn't speak to him, and does support Dylan's allegations. So ...

Dylan has only alleged one time Woody actually molested her, so there can't be several instances. That day there were 6 kids present, and several adults. I doubt Moses could or would have kept track of where Dylan and Woody were for every minute of it. It was a large house.

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Well, interesting thoughts but Mia Farrow hardly lived the life of a "practicing Catholic".

In the 60 Minutes interview that Woody Allen gave years ago he says that Mia was never religious for a minute, but all of a sudden she was taking the kids to get baptized after she found out about Woody and Soon-Yi.

Mia was married to Frank Sinatra at a young age. Then she had an affair with a married Andre Previn and gave birth to twins. Hardly the behavior of a good Catholic girl. She had an ongoing affair with Woody Allen. Again, fornication is not exactly condoned by the Church.

Her large family? Well she did take in very needy kids. I will grant her that. But it had nothing to do with not using "birth control". She was trying to conceive a child out of wedlock with Woody Allen. The Church is totally against that.

As for the Church forbidding birth control "at the time", surprise!, it still does! NFP, or natural family planning is allowed. But artificial birth control is still considered sinful. Most Protestant denominations were onboard with that teaching too, until about the 1930's.

Mia Farrow can live her life as she chooses, but she is "hell and gone' from a "good Catholic girl." She's kind of a slutty character despite the mantle of "sainthood" conferred on her by those who admire her for adopting a litter of children.

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I've known many practicing Catholics over the course of my life, and most have gone against many of the rules the Catholic Church lays out. It's hardly just Mia.

Her own father was a practicing Catholic and was a well-known adulterer.

It simply isn't true that Mia was never religious. When she was a child she wanted to be a nun. At the point where she wanted all the kids to be baptised, she thought they needed a spiritual life, and that was her way of providing it. I don't know that Woody and Soon-Yi's relationship had anything to do with it. It seems she's been gradually returning to her Catholic roots ever since.

I didn't say her large family had anything to do with not using birth control. What I said was she grew up in a large family, so it's hardly surprising that was the norm for her and something she'd want for herself. I disagreed with the other poster that this is any kind of evidence of being "sick."

You have to know that many Irish Catholic families are large, and it is due to a lack of using birth control.

The Catholic Church, to this day, doesn't even allow condoms?? My parents were Protestant and had no such feelings about birth control.

She did have an affair with the married Previn, and worse, she'd befriended and then betrayed his wife. No excuses, but she was young and has said she regrets it (unlike Woody, on both counts).

I think her adopting those kids *was* admirable, as well as her doing a lot of humanitarian work. I certainly do not confer any mantle of sainthood on her, and have neither said nor implied it.

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Oh yes, nobody is perfect! Catholic myself and I am hardly perfect. But we are not just talking about "rules", these are commandments. And yeah, don't we all break a few of them?

If Mia Farrow was returning to her "Catholic roots", I don't know how that squares with her death threats aimed at Woody Allen or at the very least, that creepy Valentine she sent him pierced with skewers and a knife.

Yes, the Church is against artificial birth control. Not saying that many Catholics go along with it, but it is the official Church position.

Sorry if you thought I was implying that you thought Mia was some saint. Didn't mean to imply that. Miss Farrow has adopted all those needy children and has done humanitarian work.

It must have been a shock for her to find her partner of over a decade was in a relationship with her adopted daughter. I just see it as more of a "you reap what you sow". She adopts a child with her lover and later has a baby with him. They have this long term affair and never marry. We're talking about breaking commandments left and right. THEN she finally is "shocked" about Woody's behavior with her daughter?

She married Frank Sinatra who was thirty years older. He dumped her after about a year because she wouldn't give up her career. She was in a relationship with Andre Previn who was cheating on his wife and gets pregnant. So why is she so judgmental about Woody Allen? She hardly took up with saintly men before him ! LOL

Bottom line, I guess we focus on these people because they are famous and have made movies. But most of their personal behavior is hardly admirable.



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So if you agree that none of us are perfect, and that even practicing Catholics can and do break commandments, why single Mia out as having to be so different? For that matter, why not call Woody a slut?

I'm not religious, BTW, so to me rules and commandments are the same thing. Not that I have any argument with The 10 being very good things to abide by.

Okay, so then even you agree that many Catholics currently use birth control, even though it's against the Church's official position.

Thanks for clarifying and apologising. Apology accepted :). I agree there is no taking away from her the good things she's done, regardless of other behaviour. I admire her for those things, and not so much for others -- such as befriending Dory Previn and then betraying her by getting involved with her husband. But at least Mia has owned up to it and has expressed regret, as she should do.

What must have been deeply shocking was to discover photos of her young daughter in her long-time BF's apartment, of her nude and spread-eagled, and that's how she found out about it! Think about this. How would YOU feel, were you in her position?

Moreover, YOU were the one who encouraged your long-time BF to spend time with her, because due to her sad past history, you knew she distrusted people in general, and men in particular.

Discovering someone you love has been unfaithful to you is hard enough, but this? I can't even imagine what a shock it must have been. Then for Woody to repeatedly lie to her to cover it up, to promise marriage when that was only a manipulation to shut her up, to continue the affair when he said he wouldn't and wasn't, yet all the while was. It was one humiliation after another, and that's not even counting the many roles he wrote for her where she was the cuckolded wife.

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Oh gee, I really didn't mean to single out Mia as being "so different". We are actually ALL the same as far as being imperfect and sinning. I just can't see Mia as the totally wronged party here and Woody as the evil ogre. Both people have to take some blame when a relationship goes bad.

I have trouble feeling a whole lot of sympathy for people who make foolish choices. Even if Mia Farrow was an atheist, I'd think she made some dumb moves as far as men are concerned.

What I mean is that Mia Farrow was hardly some innocent and naive young girl when she became involved with Woody Allen. She had been married twice and so had he. I did not know that he had promised to marry her though.

But gee, after a decade of NOT marrying her, you would think that Mia would have caught on. I can't believe any woman is that clueless. She continued in a relationship with a man who obviously wasn't that devoted or in any hurry to get married.
We have no idea what was going on in Woody Allen's mind. Maybe he was stringing her along because he liked having her star in his films. Who knows?

But when he found someone he wanted to marry, he did. He's been married to Soon-Yi for twenty years.

I suppose I am in no position to explain their motives. And I surely would've been shocked if I had found out my daughter was dating my partner. It's all so weird. But again, according to Mia's memoirs, she thought Woody Allen was selfish and cold and a danger to her children. So why was she still allowing him to be part of their lives?
That's just a rhetorical question by the way. I wouldn't expect you to know either!

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You did, though, single her out as "hardly lived the life of a "practicing Catholic," and being "hell and gone' from a "good Catholic girl," as well as being "slutty."

I'm sure there were previously existing problems in their relationship, part of which were hers, but how can you look past his extreme betrayal of her? SHE didn't betray him, HE betrayed HER. And in the weirdest and worst possible way.

Why are you ignoring how awful it must have been for her to come across naked spread-eagled photos of her young daughter in her long-term BF's apartment, and THAT'S how she learned about it all? How can you compare this to anything she may have done?

There are many couples who've lived together for many years who've later married. Yes, he promised to marry her AFTER she learned about his and Soon Yi's relationship. It was to manipulate and hush her up. Same as he pleaded with her to not tell Previn (who had every right to know, being Soon Yi's adoptive father), because he didn't want a scandal or to deal with Previn's (justified) wrath.

He testified it never occurred to him anyone, other than he and Soon Yi, would ever know about their sexual relationship. Seriously? What the HELL kind of adult *wouldn't* have thought about the consequences of these actions, if they had anything more than a brief fling in mind that (they hoped, but is very unlikely) would never come to light by anyone, ever? What does that say about how he viewed Soon Yi? So no, it's not like he met her and fell so madly in love with her he wanted to marry her and risk everything. Far from it.

Woody IS selfish and cold. To this day he expresses no remorse for his extraordinarily cruel and dishonest betrayal of Mia. I can't speak for her, but it seems obvious to me she thought he was cold and a danger to her and her children after he revealed himself to be exactly that. Hindsight is 20/20.

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If you see this as you reap what you sow, and are honest and fair, Woody is due one HELL of a lot of unpleasant reaping. How is it he's gotten off, although he's guilty of not only breaking a multitude of commandments, but far more than she has? Why don't you speak of his reaping what he's sowed, only Mia?

"She married Frank Sinatra who was thirty years older. He dumped her after about a year because she wouldn't give up her career. She was in a relationship with Andre Previn who was cheating on his wife and gets pregnant. So why is she so judgmental about Woody Allen? She hardly took up with saintly men before him!"

She married both Sinatra and Previn when she was much younger than either of them. She's admitted to being remorseful about having an affair with Previn. Woody has never, in all of these year, expressed remorse, and has more a history of attraction to and getting involved with significantly younger woman than she has with older men. So why do you excuse him and instead place all the blame on her?

He was a crap father. At a minimum he testified that he disliked all of his children's animals, didn't know the names of their doctors, teachers, animals, friends, or even if they had any friends.

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You wrote: "Whether or not she mistreated them is another issue. Soon Yi and Moses said she did, the other children say she didn't."

It is not so simple. Let's count who thinks what about Dylan's allegation.

Adopted children: Soon-Yi, Moses, Tam, Lark, Thaddeus. The first two, 21 and 14 at the time, vehemently deny the allegation (Moses being a personal witness during that afternoon). The other three have fallen victim to depression, have self-destructed, and are now dead. We can't ask them anymore about how they enjoyed the Farrow household.

Non-adopted child Ronan: vehemently supports the allegation. He was 4 years old at the time and has no personal recollection of the afternoon. He has to go by what Mia and Dylan tell him.

All of the other children, either biological or adopted, have not spoken out about the allegation. You can *presume* that this means they agree with Mia, while I can *presume* that they keep silent out of fear for Mia.

In sum: you are wrong by saying "the other children say she didn't". There's only Dylan and Ronan who have spoken out - and they were not the victims of Mia's alleged mistreatment.

I advise you to read Moses' blog, if you haven't done so already:
http://mosesfarrow.blogspot.com

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"Thirdly, in all these years, no other individual has come forth to claim Allen sexually assaulted them. Nobody."

As far as I know, that's true.

"Mia Farrow remains furious all these years later for the (admittedly gross) relationship between Allen and Soon Yi."

Mia has actually said little over the years, but it does appear she's like a dog with a bone. As a mother, she'd of course want to stand by her daughter, and would have felt both betrayed and guilty by Woody and Soon Yi's actions, but primarily Woody's, who was an adult and should have known better. Yet, he still takes no responsibility or thinks he'd done anything wrong. I strongly suspect if he had, things wouldn't have become nearly as acrimonious as they have.

"Dylan's brother has accused Mia Farrow of physical abuse and of actively brainwashing her children into
believing Allen molested Dylan."

And all the other children say otherwise. The question is, who's telling the truth? We have no way of knowing.

Innocent until proven guilty is for courts of law. OJ Simpson was declared not guilty. Do you think he is? No legal system is perfect, sometimes guilty people go free, sometimes innocent people are convicted, sometimes there isn't enough evidence even if a crime was committed.

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You wrote: "And all the other children say otherwise."

Again, you are wrong. Two adopted children deny the allegation. Three other adopted children fell victim to depression and have died. Only Ronan ('possibly' not Woody's son, in Mia's words) stands by his sister's story.

All the other children have made no public statement about their position. Not even when Dylan, Ronan and Mia have turned up the heat.

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Did those three other adopted children also deny the allegations? Not as far as I know.

I'm wrong in your opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

You've already admitted your a fan of WA. I'm neither of fan of WA or MF.

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Totally agree, Mia Farrow has made a psychological mess of this person, not Woody Allen.

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The number of child molester apologists here is quite disturbing and telling. Sure she was "coached"/"brainwashed" and has unflinchingly maintained her story from childhood to adulthood such are the amazing brainwashing powers hexed upon her because you know that's usually how these things work.

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Your dismissal of others as "child molester apologists" renders anything else you have to say intellectually suspect. You do know Woody Allen passed a lie detector test regarding this matter DECADES ago, yes?

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Your seeming suggestion that a highly questionable lie detector test is somehow all the validation you need certainly renders whatever you have to say as intellectually suspect. Never mind the fact that even legitimate police lie detector tests are inadmissible for a reason.

The fact is " Allen refused to take a polygraph administered by the Connecticut state police. Instead, he took one from someone hired by his legal team. The Connecticut state police refused to accept the test as evidence."

Sounds legit. Nothing suspect there whatsoever......

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"DF: Allen refused to take a polygraph administered by the Connecticut state police.

"RW: Allen was actually never asked to take a polygraph test by the CT State police. However, soon after Mia made her accusation, Allen voluntarily submitted to a polygraph test by an independent examiner. Some low-information commentators have implied that Allen’s legal team must have found someone who could be paid off to fudge the results. In fact, the examiner was the most respected man in the field, Paul Minor (1940- 2015). He had been Chief of the Polygraph Office for the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command in the 1970s. In the 1980s, he was the Chief Polygraph Examiner for the FBI. (He not only taught polygraphology at the FBI Academy, but had set up the entire program there.) Minor conducted polygraph tests in the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas case, the Jon Benet Ramsey case, Enron, O.J. Simpson, DeLorean, and others. Allen fully passed the test. The results were submitted to the CT State police, with Minor flying in to answer questions. The State police concurred with Minor’s findings, which is probably why they never proposed administering their own test. Mia was then asked by Woody’s lawyers to take a reciprocal polygraph test. She wouldn’t. Maybe it’s not too late."

Source: https://ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2017/12/13/qa-with-dylan-farrow/

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You can play the lie detector thing either way. If you give in to a lie detector test to someone with an agenda you are sunk, or if you hire your own lie detector test you are suspect of conspiracy?

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You wrote: "The fact is...."

And what you wrote was not a fact, but a falsehood.

Like so many other falsehoods in the Farrow narrative. It's downright painful.

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Child molestation is one of the worst things on Earth, and frankly Woody's hard to take at times, but the story is fishy. Why does her son Moses come out against her and back the brainwashing thing up? He lived with her, not us.

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Why did Moses at first back Dylan up, and then recant? Why does Ronan back up Dylan, and deny any brainwashing? Why do none of the other kids agree with Moses, although they and Ronan also lived with Mia?

Lots of questions, few answers.

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Because he was afraid of retribution if he didn't, he admitted that later. He was a younger child, and still had to live under her roof. Once he could be "free" he admitted the truth.
And I think that's how brainwashing works, they hear it so often and from such a younf age, that they believe it to be true.young

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Well, that's what he now claims. Is it the truth? We don't know, and have no way of knowing, which was my only point.

You asked why her son, Moses, came out against her and backed the brainwashing thing, and that he lived with her.

I pointed out in return that Woody's only biological son, and his adoptive daughter, have come out against him, and deny any brainwashing. They, as well as the other children, who have also not come out against her and backed any brainwashing, lived with her too.

We don't know who's telling the truth, and/or how much of what all of them say is true.

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The adopted children Soon-Yi and Moses claim that Mia was abusive to them. Not only to them, but typically to all adopted children. Moses recently told that Tam, Lark, and Thaddeus had falled victim to depression, have self-destructed, and died. We can't ask them anymore how they 'enjoyed' their life with Mommy Mia.

We could say that Dylan is the only adopted child that is still on Mia's side. Then again, I could make a point that she is the most abused of all, having her whole life both devoted to and damaged by what is possibly Mia's revenge plot against Allen.

The other children have hardly or not spoken out publicly about the allegation or the joys of the Farrow Household. We can only guess what they think about the whole thing.

Oh, and by the way: Ronan may not be Woody's biological son. Mia has come out saying that he is 'possibly' Frank Sinatra's son. Even if that is not the case, it demonstrates that Mia was f&kking other men behind Woody's back, which may be telling about the state of their relationship at the end of the eighties, and how she must have felt when she was 'betrayed'.

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To be an apologist one first has to believe something to be apologized for has happened. Don't assume stuff you do not know, especially stuff that seems to be so central to your own character and psychological needs. I cannot believe you do not think there is something hugely wrong with this whole story, and where are the other accusers? Why did Mia Farrow lead Woody to believe the Ronan was his son when it is pretty obvious as he has matured that he is Frank Sinatra's child. That seems to indicate to be an overwhelming desire to humiliate Woody Allen like very few sane people would do. Combine that with this decades long smear without evidence, indeed against the evidence and it is Mia that has screwed up this kid, not anything Woody Allen did.

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A Woody supporter in this case is by definition not a 'child molester apologist', because Woody supporters typically believe he did NOT molest the child. You could have dreamed up that argument all by yourself, Sherlock.

Unless, of course, you want to assume that everyone who disagrees with you is a lying son of a b***. In that case, have a nice life.

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Some history on this 25-year-old case:

(Lots of links, all worth reading)

https://ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2017/12/13/qa-with-dylan-farrow/


Also, Moses Farrow Speaks Out:

https://ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2018/01/04/moses-farrow-speaks-out/

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Thanks, that is really interesting. I spend years feeling back that I liked Woody Allen when these allegations came out, and they came out in a way that really made Woody look bad. I stopped going to see his movies, and if I caught one on TV or streaming I was anxious about watching it,

Then I read some of the other points of view and began to see the truth, or at least another side that make more sense than the throw stuff against the way and try to make it stick stories from the Mia Farrow point of view. I don't believe the allegations against Woody and I am free again to watch his movies, though I do keep an eye out for more information on this, but what I have seen seems to vindicate Woody Allen.

I find these attacks out of nowhere from actresses who have worked with Woody Allen to be really nasty and show a complete lack of character because they are based on nothing but some kind of misguided solidarity with the #MeToo thing. This is a very complicated thing and all sides of human nature are on display here, and perhaps these people thing they are doing the right thing, or perhaps there are ulterior motives ... I don't know. But I think absent proof it is fine to think what you want but to go public and attack someone is downright despicable.

The stories about Mia Farrow have been validated by multiple people, but not the stories about Woody. We see Woody talking in interviews occasionally, and we never see Mia Farrow doing anything other than hanging onto this ugliness. Moses' story is very telling as to what kind of person Farrow is, and that kind of abuse and gaslighting rings truer than anything said against Woody Allen.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/dylan-farrow-interview-alleged-woody-allen-sexual-assault-cbs-this-morning-2018-1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQkubV6Os3I

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This is old news. It doesn't change a thing except for the sympathy
I have for a woman who has been used by Mia Farrow to such an
extent that she has no identity for herself other than the ONLY girl
who claims Woody Allen "sexually assaulted" her once. She is a
messed up girl, and it is not from whatever Woody Allen did or might
have done ( most probably not ) but from her mother humiliating her
for her own vengeful purposes.

By "sexual assault" she said that once he had her go up in an attic
where an electric train was ( an attic that Moses Farrow her adopted
brother said does not even exist as she described it ) and touched
her private parts. Further Moses Farrow explained at length about
how coercive and abusive Mia Farrow his adoptive mother was to
him and the other children.

Mia Farrow also had an adopted son Thaddeus who killed himself
and a brother who was a child molester.

Why does a women adopt a bunch of kids from all over the world
who are then totally dependent on her for everything in their life
and are afraid to displease her or cause her to get mad at them
which threatens their whole existence.

I think Dylan Farrow does believe this happened when she was
7 years old, but I think she is mixed up. As Woody and others have
said, why would he use the occasion of a bitter separation to start
molesting little girls? Nothing before, nothing since, and what he
was alleged to have done was touch her. Nothing about this story
makes sense other than Mia Farrow being crazy and vindictive and
using whatever she can to hurt Woody Allen.

There was an investigation done, there are videos of Woody's lawyer
talking about this case on You-Tube. This is only back in the news
thanks to actresses who know nothing more about this than anyone
else deciding that Woody Allen is guilty and making public statements
that they believe Dylan Farrow and will never work with Woody Allen
again. I think that says more about the lack of brains and character
of those actresses than anything else.

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dylan-farrow-interview-today-gayle-king-full-transcript-woody-allen-me-too/

“What I don’t understand is how is this crazy story of me being brainwashed and coached more believable than what I’m saying about being sexually assaulted by my father,” Dylan Farrow said.

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Yeah, yeah ... I read that too ... but ask yourself, how could she possibly understand that from inside her psyche?

I boycotted Woody Allen movies for a few years after this accusation came out because I believed the hype, and in order to live up to my beliefs I pretty much had to say good-bye to Woody Allen movies. Then when more information came out I felt duped. I suppose no one can know for sure what happened, so one has to go on as much information they can get as well as their own understanding of human nature and experience. I now do not believe that Woody did this, but I cannot be absolutely positive. What am I supposed to do as a fair-minded person?

So I try to look at things from all angles including the worst possible scenario to the best, if there is one. I don't think there is in this case. I don't like the whole story of Woody and Mia, but who am I to judge, or anyone else. I know how how toxic relationships can turn otherwise sane and rational people into virtual monsters. I don't know how it works but it can happen. It appears to me that Woody is more hands off with his kids, and Mia is a controlling micro-manager, so that weighs a lot in how I see things.

But, let's look at this from the angle that suppose Woody did exactly what Dylan says he did. She "made" her sit up in an attic watching a train while he touched her private parts, one time. What would anyone ever make of that? How would any person or even the law arbitrate that? Would you look at what has been said, reported or even intimated about the person before, and how about after. What Woody Allen says about this is a weighty question - Why would he choose this exact moment in his life to become a child molester. I actually do not like questions where someone asks someone else to explain their motives ... that is not something in Woody's favor, but he has a point, it seems most irrational.

I mean, I don't have all the answers, and I don't even have all the questions. What would Dylan Farrow want as a result of people believing her? What is her fantasy revenge for being touched, or is it more important that she was not listened to all these years, so she wants validation? And then what if she actually is mistaken about what happened here?

Again, how is anyone supposed to know? Would we all be or would the world be better off it Woody Allen stopped making movies in the 90's. What does a society and a legal system look like that allows people to make accusations they do not have to or cannot prove? It is a big problem with our system, and the older I get the more I realize what a sham our legal system is. What would other legal systems around the world do with this?

What about all the weirdness alleged and known about Mia Farrow and her reported dominating abusive control of her children, and what need was she fulfilling by having all these children anyway? That seems like some kind of pathology to me, and it seems like it could mess someone up to the point that they do not really know the difference between reality and fantasy.

Why would Dylan Farrow pursue this so much? Is it out of loyalty or fear of her mother. Is it to protect other women as the #MeToo movement is supposed to be about? Why would being touched be so important to her - ie the central fact of her life, and why would the realization that she is not going to be believed, or that the meaning of her life has become a battle between her and her father over her trying to destroy her father over ... what? There is a lot here, and it is powerful mental stuff, but it is not for the public, and it is not anything that the legal system can do anything about, even if there were something to do.

It just goes round and around and there is no way to stop it. By every objective measure there is nothing to do. So, I suppose I can see why some women would want to stand with Dylan on principle, but to me, it doesn't seem right. It would be good if there was some middle ground to help Dylan Farrow in some way, but it seems her insistence is that this is enough that the whole world should destroy Woody Allen because he is totally evil -it is wrong-headed.

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There's another link in this thread that gives food for thought.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478439/John-Villers-Farrow-Mia-Farrows-brother-jailed-sexually-abusing-2-boys.html

Perhaps Dylan didn't imagine it. Maybe it really happened... but it was Mia's brother, not Woody Allen. And all the brainwashing didn't create the memories, just assigned a different face. It could have happened that a similar situation really happened (Dylan watching something while Mia's brother toucher her), and after Dylan told Mia, she decided to coach her into thinking that it was Allen who did it.

Maybe Mia was killing two birds with one stone: taking a revenge on Allen, and protecting his brother at the same time.

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Until your post, I didn't realise Dylan had recently given another interview, so thanks for that.

Personally, I'm on the fence about the molestation. There are somethings that point towards, and equally others that point away.

I will say there was something that struck me off as about Dylan's reaction to watching that tape of Woody. It didn't feel entirely genuine, like she was exaggerating how much seeing it upset her.

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https://thenewinquiry.com/blog/there-is-no-such-thing-as-the-court-of-public-opinion-but-maybe-there-should-be/

The way “We don’t know what happened in that attic” becomes a mantra—even while presuming that kind of ignorance requires us to dis-credit the story that Dylan Farrow has maintained, consistently, for over two decades. To presume that “we don’t know,” we must un-know what Dylan has said. To create the façade of our ignorance, we must ignore her.

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Moses Farrow says there was not even an attic, as was described, and it contained no train.

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The Farrows have had 26 years to publish a photo of that attic. They never did.

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I spent years wondering if I should feel bad about liking Woody's movies, and then as the story fleshed out, so to speak, I felt back for Woody. There is obviously a really bad vibe around all sides of this, but the facts do not seem to be there to prove Woody did this, and there is so much odd information that makes it seem very unlikely.

It seems to me that anyone who weighs in on this who doesn't know anything about it, like Susan Sarandon and others, needs to really be called out and branded liar. Politically I agree with a lot of Susan Sarandon, but I cannot abide someone who would pop off about something they really don't have any inside information about.

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Also, to be fair, why would they do that? A crime scene reenactment?
That would be a bit much even for them, and it is only recently, I think,
that Moses said there was no such attic. It is a confounding situation,
and I feel for whatever happened to Dylan ( why do all these celebrities
have to have such weird names ) because she is obviously haunted by
something, and now wherever she goes, whatever she does people are
going to look at her weird. The proof just is not there from a legal
standpoint, so what this has devolved into is a war of what celebrities
one believes ... and most of them have no direct knowledge of the
situation either.

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"To presume that “we don’t know,” we must un-know what Dylan has said."

What the hell are you on?

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The feeling, even back then, was that Mia brainwashed the kid into believing that. I honestly think she's that vicious and I believe that's what happened. It was thoroughy investigated and there was no evidence it happened.

I'm no fan of Woody's and I find him creepy, but if you watch interviews of them, especially from back then, Mia comes across as the unlikeable and dishonest one. She was the textbook example of a jilted, evil, ex-wife. She wanted to hurt him. I can't really blame her for the twisted thing he did, but she took it way too far. She damaged her own kid in her quest for revenge. That makes her an awful person.

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The lack of commonplace instances of scorned mothers (or whoever) successfully implanting false memories of abuse into children that they go on to maintain for the rest of their lives is a far more improbable & hard to believe scenario than the idea that Dylan Farrow is and has always been telling the truth about being sexually assaulted by her father Woody Allen whose inappropriate/creepy behavior towards Dylan was observed by others including her brother, Ronan Farrow an investigative journalist who supports her claims.

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For whatever reason, you clearly want to believe it's true. You're entitled to your opinion. But it shouldn't be based on your belief that there aren't more examples of mothers that have done this.

I don't know how many times it has happened, or who got away with it, but none of that means anything. What other women do, or don't do, has no bearing on what Mia did or didn't do. Even if something has never happened before, it doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. I can honestly say I've never heard of that line of reasoning.

Most of her own family don't believe it happened, and believe she's lying. Your example is the minority.

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For whatever reason you clearly don't want to believe it's true and you are entitled to your opinion. Certainly scorned wives have used their children as weapons against spouses but successfully implanting a life long memory of something that never happened into the minds of her daughter and other supporting evidence in the minds of others including Ronan Farrow is far fetched & less probable.

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But surely you do not deny that something very powerful and weird was going on, both with Mia Farrows life ( by this I mean all the non-Woody-related stuff ) and the ( Woody-related ) extraordinary hurt and humiliation Woody dumped on Mia by what he did.

Just considering that to me knocks the ball out of the ballpark in terms of know the limits of anyone's behavior ... but I would submit that it is easier to become a vindictive angry liar out to get someone you hate than it would be for someone to become a child molester just to hurt another person they have already hurt ... intentionally or unintentionally horribly already.

There are two major things that make me fall on Woody's side of this. One is the stories of Mia that are consistent through her life and the effects this kind of pressure can have on children. Two is the fact that Woody, despite having a thing for Soon-Yi who was a mature woman at the time, ie post-pubescent by far, and having a lifelong interest in younger women ... like all the men I know ( or at least their eyes! ) , did not have any accusations of child molestation about him ever, before or since.

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"I don't know how many times it has happened, or who got away with it, but none of that means anything. What other women do, or don't do, has no bearing on what Mia did or didn't do. Even if something has never happened before, it doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. I can honestly say I've never heard of that line of reasoning."

If that's your feeling and reasoning, then what "other" pedophiles do or don't do has no bearing on what Woody (allegedly) did, either. So it shouldn't matter to you that no one else has stepped forward (that I know of, anyway) to say he sexually molested them as a child. Doesn't mean it can't or won't happen, right?

"Most of her own family don't believe it happened, and believe she's lying."

Do you have a reliable source for this? It's contrary to what I've read.

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If that's your feeling and reasoning, then what "other" pedophiles do or don't do has no bearing on what Woody (allegedly) did, either. So it shouldn't matter to you that no one else has stepped forward (that I know of, anyway) to say he sexually molested them as a child. Doesn't mean it can't or won't happen, right?

Do you have a reliable source for this? It's contrary to what I've read.

First, please learn how to use the formatting options. Specifically how to quote someone.

Second, I can't even make an ounce of sense regarding anything you just said. What do the acts of unrelated pedophiles have to do with anything?I'm sure you thought you had a point, but you were wrong. I said nothing about others stepping forward, or the lack thereof...

As for a "source", have you even read a single article about it? Try it. Start with Moses Farrow and move on from there.

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"First, please learn how to use the formatting options. Specifically how to quote someone."

You're obviously unaware that using BB formatting code here is limited to one useage per post. That includes quoting, and bolded and italicised text. If you do it more than once, the entire post becomes borked and unreadable. The exception is coding for URLs, which you can do multiple times. You're welcome.

"Second, I can't even make an ounce of sense regarding anything you just said. What do the acts of unrelated pedophiles have to do with anything?I'm sure you thought you had a point, but you were wrong. I said nothing about others stepping forward, or the lack thereof..."

Then I'll spell it out for you. Many defenders of Woody claim the fact that no one else has stepped forward to say he sexually molested them as a child is proof he's not a pedophile, because pedophiles don't molest just once. I simply applied your logic to that. I didn't say you said anything about others stepping forward or not.

"As for a "source", have you even read a single article about it? Try it. Start with Moses Farrow and move on from there."

I've read many. Your claim was "Most of her own family don't believe it happened, and believe she's lying." In fact, only Moses and Soon Yi don't believe it happened and believe she's lying, while all the rest of her family do believe it and that she's telling the truth. I asked you for a source that states "Most of her own family don't believe it happened, and believe she's lying." You've provided none because it's not true.

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If you think I'm going to read through your jumbled mess of different posts, you're mistaken. I told you to use the quote formatting. It's built into the forum for a reason. Barring that, type all you want. I won't read it. Is it simply too hard for you to figure out?

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"You're obviously unaware that using BB formatting code here is limited to one useage per post. That includes quoting, and bolded and italicised text. If you do it more than once, the entire post becomes borked and unreadable. The exception is coding for URLs, which you can do multiple times. You're welcome."

Is that too much for your brain to comprehend? If so, my sympathies.

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Now you're quoting yourself? That's a new level of ignorance. And if you're unaware of how to maneuver around the shortcomings of the site, then there's truly no hope for you.

You really should have figured it out by now, based on the amount of comments you've posted. But no, you simply continue to make a jumbled mess, using quotation marks.

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Ha! You're too funny.

There is no getting around the fact that one can't quote more than once per post, except by using quotation marks. It is what it is. Sorry you can't grasp this, and that quotations throw you for such a loop you're unable to understand content.

Books, and magazine articles, must really confound you. You have my condolences.

Of course it's always a good excuse for when you don't have a reasoned and reasonable response to a post. Well, an excuse anyway [wink]

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Ha! You're too funny....

You're clearly not a problem solver, nor can you think outside the box.

There most certainly is a solution. Yet you can't seem to grasp it. It's funny how the clueless always want to accuse someone else of that very same thing. Ironic. Maybe they (you) feel if they (you) accuse someone else of being as dumb as they are, it makes them less so? Sorry, the rubber/glue argument doesn't even work for children. Unlike you though, they're actually smart enough to know that.

And what exactly is a good excuse? Go back, read what you wrote. Maybe then you'll comprehend your utter lack of intellect? When writing, you actually have to write. We don't want to assume what's in that big empty head of yours.

The saddest part of all this? You're not even grasping this argument. The messy posts you provide have nothing to do with comprehension. I can understand a slurring drunk....that doesn't mean I want to converse with such a fool....

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That right? Okay, my good friend, go ahead and quote anyone twice in one post. Prove me wrong.

Why would I have to go back and reread anything I've written? You're the one struggling with it, for reasons that beg comprehension for those of us who don't struggle with quotation marks. (I know, they're so hard!)

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I was wondering if you had a chance to see the 60 Minutes interview
with Woody Allen. I just watched it an actually paid attention to it.
If you Google search for "valentine woody allen mia farrow" and then
choose the images tab you can see photos of the valentine Mia Farrow
gave to Woody, and in the interview he tells of getting death threats
and other behaviors.

It tends to make Mia Farrow look very unstable, but it does also speak
to Woody as to what was really going on between the two of them that
they both would continue their involvement? I suppose they were too
deeply connected at that point for any simple extrication, but what is the
point of making a Valentine's card like that? What does it say about Mia.

There is a scale that would seem to say that the more unstable Mia is
the more likely she is to garner incredible loyalty from her children, and
to demand it too, and the more likely she is to use an accusation like that
to attack Woody.

On the other hand, most people do not get that crazy without some kind
of reason ... but on the other, other hand, sometimes people just float into
these things and lose control of themselves and their feelings.

But again, it just hits me in the gut that the more insane a person gets
the more likely they are to use any kind of leverage they can to hurt
something they feel vengeful towards, and they say these accusations of
child abuse are very common. I think we have all seen them in many
celebrity breaks ups.

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