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Anyone else thinks he is overrated?


I realize this may be an unpopular opinion because he has a lot of fans, but why does he have a lot of fans?
Do they really like his movies and think they are that good or is it they want to look like hoity toity film snobs and just go with it so they don't feel embarrassed to their peers?

I dunno why everyone acts like every single one of his movies are great when he did some clunkers like the misogynistic Clockwork and Space is just really too long and boring and no one knows what is going on.

I get it that he put quality over quantity but sometimes quality is overdone where he is too much of a perfectionist that it became an obsession and it shows.

It is not wrong to hate any or even all of his movies, ya know.

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Remove the word 'thinks' from the title of this thread. It's out of place in this discussion.

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On average his movies rate 6/10 for me. But Kubrick is still important, because he makes movies his way.

Among all the marginally commercial greats, he is the best.

Sometimes you get tired of watching a movie. Only then is your mind ready for his genius.

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He's quite an idiosyncratic director, so it's understandable that he's not everyone's cup of tea. But, no, he isn't overrated.

I think the main thing that I personally appreciate about Kubrick is that he was always attempting to alter the form while still remaining popular enough to be a household name. He had a wide and deep impact precisely because he was relatively mainstream.

Fairly easy to be innovative, screw around with narrative conventions and lean heavily into formalism if you're on the arthouse circuit and your films are playing to cinephiles (or 'hoity-toity film snobs', if we must). A different thing altogether to gain the power to make those films for Warner Bros.

But, yes, people really do like his movies. Hopefully, no-one over the age of about 12 is faking their taste in films in order to impress their peers. That would be a rather pathetic thing to do. But people do like different things.

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I like how he made films his way. They were filmed until he was happy with it. There was no such thing as ' this movie will be released on arbitrary X date' that was set by the studio, like most films are today. Films today are manufactured straight off the assembly line.

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Well, he accumulated extraordinary power even for back then. I mean, he was effectively releasing arthouse movies through a major Hollywood studio. Directors working in the Hollywood system at any point in its history -- with the possible exception of the 1970s when studios lost control for a while -- were rarely afforded the kind of autonomy that Kubrick routinely had.

I think living and working in London helped him with that, as he was over 5,000 miles away from interfering Warner Bros execs, but it's mostly due to the reputation he was able to build for himself (especially thanks to 2001) and the contracts he was therefore able to sign.

But you're right: there's faff all chance that Stanley Kubrick would be allowed to be quite so idiosyncratic -- or take so long over his process -- under a major studio in the 2020s. He'd have to go indie or get his funding from Europe.

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Makes me wonder about Akira Kurosawa and how his late career juxtaposed with Kubrick in that way, regarding funding. Kurosawa had to get funding privately for his later masterpieces, which seems weird when his body of work was arguably even more robust. Even turning to the Soviet Union for Dersu Uzala.

I will admit to not being up to speed on Kurosawa's entire history, perhaps he wasn't as celebrated as Kubrick was, publicly. But, his films leave no doubt as an artistic equal.

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He's a you like him or hate him. No real middle ground. I like him. He makes visually beautiful films, with messages of extreme subtlety. Some of the choices in his films, can possibly be done differently, but that's a personal choice.

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I'm not a huge fan, but I don't hate him either. If I list the best movies by decade, his movies doesn't show up on the list. But I admit he's done some pretty influential films. A Clockwork Orange may be the best film he has done, it's my most favourite movie of his, at least.

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How do you make a un-misogynistic 'A Clockwork Orange'?

Answers on the back of a twenty pound note (to the usual address)

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Kubrick and Kurosawa are two masters in a class all their own. Can't be touched.

I'd put Tarantino in the A tier at the top, if Kubrick is S tier.

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Hell no. This is like asking if Beethoven or Chopin is overrated - some genius simply cannot be denied, and must be given proper respect.

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Great movies:
2001
Barry Lyndon
Clockwork Orange
Shining

Ok movies:
Paths of Glory
Eyes Wide Shut

Movies that suck:
Lolita
Dr Strangelove
Full Metal Jacket

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