Every time i hear the word im like "Wow that must be some super long Pretentious. B.S.. Im Happy im watching a good movie like Shawshank Redemption. It be over in 2 hours. I might watch The Muppet Movie next because im not a Joyless A$$h8le." lol
share"Prestige Worldwide"
shareThe Nina, Oh! The Pinta, Oh! The Santa Maria Oh!
I'll do you in the bottom while you're drinking Sangria
Nachos and Lemonheads on my dad's boat
You won't go down 'cause my dick can float
We sail around the world and go port to port
Every time I cum I produce a quart
Put on your life vest, let's drop anchor
There's a nice lady whore, I'd like to spank her
Anything labeled ‘Prestige’ does not want me. And I don’t want it, I’m no big deal, and no other bastard is either.
I’m just fine with that.
I’ll be in the garage with my dog listening to my music👍
Remember "Appointment TV"
shareNow what exactly is considered "Prestige TV" in 2024?? I haven't watched regular TV in years and haven't had Cable TV in years. I watch alot of Blu Ray/DVD movies along with TV Shows and never grow tired of it
shareIt's just shorthand for gritty, serialised TV that purports to have high standards of acting, writing and is sufficiently high-budget.
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It is a bit of a wanky phrase -- like 'elevated horror', oh do shut up -- but it's just marketing speak to suggest higher quality.
TV had a bad rep compared to cinema for decades. It was never entirely fair as they're just two different mediums. But 'prestige TV' usually refers to those modern serialised shows that have budgets that bring them closer to cinema.
I'm not that interested in these shows either. Same as you, I prefer to watch films. I might watch a limited series, but I won't invest my time in something that'll last multiple seasons. But horses for courses, innit.
When Prestige TV actually existed (1999-2015) it wasn't called prestige. As soon we started calling it prestige it stopped being prestige. It's just woke garbage now for the most part. Diversity trash.
shareYes it was.
https://www.vulture.com/2013/05/13-rules-for-creating-a-prestige-tv-drama.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/07/true-detective-game-of-thrones-bleak-television/397577/
https://www.vulture.com/2014/10/twin-peaks-influence-prestige-tv-showtime.html
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/apr/09/mad-men-perfect-advert-prestige-tv
etc etc
What are you calling "woke garbage" specifically here?
Notice how all those articles are from around 2015. Like I said, the moment we started calling it "Prestige TV", it stopped being prestige. 2015, that was the turning point — when everything started going downhill. Showrunners and writers’ rooms shifted their focus from compelling storytelling to diversity and inclusion, rather than delivering the kind of shows audiences actually want to see. It’s not that there aren’t still a few good shows here and there, but overall, the quality has taken a significant hit. As long as TV is made for "modern audiences", the quality will continue to suffer. Just because Simps like you eagerly gobble up the woke slop doesn’t make it good. Some of us have refined tastes.
And Woke garbage aka Diversity trash is anything that does not privilege (and center) straight White males.
>Notice how all those articles are from around 2015.
A few years beforehand in the first instance.
>Showrunners and writers’ rooms shifted their focus from compelling storytelling to diversity and inclusion, rather than delivering the kind of shows audiences actually want to see. It’s not that there aren’t still a few good shows here and there, but overall, the quality has taken a significant hit. As long as TV is made for "modern audiences", the quality will continue to suffer.
Do you need me to put out a massive list?
Since 2015: Chernobyl, Better Call Saul, Succession, The Queen's Gambit, Dark, Westworld (S01), Mr. Robot, Ozark, The Last of Us, Narcos, Ted Lasso, After Life, Bodyguard, Taboo, The Sinner, Yellowstone, Big Little Lies, The White Lotus, Fleabag, The Good Place, The Haunting of Hill House, The Bear, Severance, Silo, Mare of Easttown, Andor, The Expanse, Shogun, When They See Us, Barry, Black Bird, Maid, Normal People, Dopesick, Twin Peaks (2017), For All Mankind, The Terror (S01), Altered Carbon (S01), Warrior, Hacks, Humans, Gangs of London, Bad Sisters, Station Eleven, Counterpart, Babylon Berlin, Scenes from a Marriage, Reservation Dogs, What We Do in the Shadows, Tehran, I Know this Much is True, House of the Dragon, Caliphate, Godfather of Harlem, Genius... all of these are highly rated. I can keep on going.
>Just because Simps like you eagerly gobble up the woke slop doesn’t make it good. Some of us have refined tastes.
And what "woke slop" commonly referred to as prestige TV or high quality TV shows do I "eagerly gobble up"? Can you name any specific TV shows that I like that fits that definition? I'm driven by synopsis. I would argue I'm more selective in what I watch than you since you piss away your time watching MCU/Disney-derived/Star Wars slop and other obviously low rated garbage. I just don't throw my toys out of the pram and scream if a character is non-white. That doesn't make the show I'm watching inherently bad.
>And Woke garbage aka Diversity trash is anything that does not privilege (and center) straight White males.
Ah of course, so your definition of "woke slop" equals "anything that has a non-white person in it as a main character" or does not somehow "privilege" straight white men (how does this even work in a writing sense?) Genuinely pathetic. Any evidence that your proposed definition of 'woke slop' has any common usage whatsoever?
We had this conversation before. I've already addressed most of those points in previous conversations and I'm not going to do it again here. If you're incapable of hearing what I'm saying then there is no point in discussing this any further.
shareNo, you've failed to address them. You're simply too uninformed and partisan on this to do so. There are plenty of high quality TV series post-2015. Your own position on woke doesn't even track with the common definition of woke.
Your position on "woke" is purely, quite literally by your own admission "has black people in leading roles". Doesn't matter how good the writing may be, or how interesting the setting, or the cinematography, the music, the world-building, the acting. Just that a black person, or non-white person plays a leading role.
The dates on your links would seem to confirm the theory, just sayin'...
sharehttps://www.life.com/arts-entertainment/the-sopranos-the-show-that-changed-television/
https://theamericanreader.com/the-cosmology-of-serialized-television/
https://www.brettmccracken.com/blog/blog/2009/11/02/best-tv-of-the-2000s (search prestige)
https://nymag.com/arts/tv/upfronts/2013/drama-writers/
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/jan/13/john-adams-and-hbo-lead-golden-globes-tv-winners
But do you have any comments on any of the shows I mentioned in response:
Since 2015: Chernobyl, Better Call Saul, Succession, The Queen's Gambit, Dark, Westworld (S01), Mr. Robot, Ozark, The Last of Us, Narcos, Ted Lasso, After Life, Bodyguard, Taboo, The Sinner, Yellowstone, Big Little Lies, The White Lotus, Fleabag, The Good Place, The Haunting of Hill House, The Bear, Severance, Silo, Mare of Easttown, Andor, The Expanse, Shogun, When They See Us, Barry, Black Bird, Maid, Normal People, Dopesick, Twin Peaks (2017), For All Mankind, The Terror (S01), Altered Carbon (S01), Warrior, Hacks, Humans, Gangs of London, Bad Sisters, Station Eleven, Counterpart, Babylon Berlin, Scenes from a Marriage, Reservation Dogs, What We Do in the Shadows, Tehran, I Know this Much is True, House of the Dragon, Caliphate, Godfather of Harlem, Genius... all of these are highly rated. I can keep on going.
All of those bad?
Ignore the resident troll.
shareThis.
shareThat.
shareYou're a self-described racist. 'Nuff said. I really should have you on ignore. You don't deserve any attention.
shareYes, I openly describe myself as a racist—so what? That doesn't automatically make me a bad person. Is it really so hard to believe that someone can be both a good person and hold racist views? Have you really been so thoroughly brainwashed by the Woke agenda that you can't even consider it?
You're certainly free to put me on ignore, but by doing so, you're only isolating yourself further in a Woke echo chamber. Is that truly where you want to end up?
You are attempting to present your ignorant hateful stance as something worthy of any regard by any reasonable person. It is not. You are going on ignore. I don't listen to yammering idiots, I don't listen to straight-talking haters, either. That's not a 'bubble', it's triage.
shareI think you're misunderstanding the term 'racist' in this context. I use the label because that's what the Woke crowd calls people like me—anyone who dares to disagree with them is automatically branded a racist. Since I oppose their ideology, I wear the label as a badge of honor. For me, being 'racist' simply means advocating for the right of White people to have exclusive spaces, just as every other race does. To have their own countries, like everyone else. What I see is that every other race is encouraged to act in their own interests, while White people are expected to submit and work for others. We're the only group that’s forced to embrace diversity and inclusion, which, in reality, means fewer White people and the exclusion of Whites altogether.
shareAre you calling Skavau a troll?
I agree, he's quite annoying.
I prefer "Peak TV". And I've never considered runtime to be an issue. If it's good, why wouldn't you like more?
sharePersonally even Serialized shows i like feel like the over stay there welcome. And frankly the Quality always drop super fast. I liked first season of Cobra Kai. But after that the show jumped off a cliff and became a Teen Soap. I cant think of one serialize show i watch that didn't turn into shit. This is different than let say Star Trek TNG that got better as it went along. When i watch a movie, I can get in. Enjoy myself. Get out and not watch it slowly turn into crap. Also i got other things to do.
shareWhat TV series do you like?
shareMostly old shows like Star Trek, Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, Bonanza, Gunsmoke, Northern Exposure, The Rifleman. The Rockford Files, Moonlighting. You know, when not everybody didn't have stick up there butt to prove how artsy TV had to be.
shareHave you heard of The Expanse, or Black Mirror?
Also what makes you think its all about being artsy?
THOSE ARE QUALITY SHOWS...BUT SHOWS THAT PLAYED IN AN ERA WHERE TV HAD TO APPEAL TO THE WHOLE FAMILY AT ONCE...THESE DAYS PEOPLE VIEW THINGS DIFFERENTLY ON NUMEROUS SCREENS FROM NUMEROUS SOURCES...PAVING THE WAY FOR A LOT MORE OPTIONS IN EVERY VARIETY.
shareMany don't stick the landing with what I call final seasonitis, tough to hit a HR with a finale. But the better ones usually have a pinnacle beyond their 1st season, once they hit their stride.
And it's not surprising that so many actors now gravitate towards these cable/streaming serials, since they're not constrained the way most films are. Juicy roles, juicy writing (b/c writers are usually the showrunners), that can develop and evolve in interesting ways across all those hours, going places most films steer clear of. I find most mainstream films to be boring and too predictable, like a pop song ripping off the last pop song. I find my personal connect rate to be the worst with those, better with indie film, best with Peak TV. And I don't find that hour to be a time suck, since my theater attendance has fallen off a cliff in recent years, the next episode has taken its place.