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E brake on a Mercedes


Thats the "hand brake" in some countries.

To put it on you push a weird forth pedal they've added (or 3rd if auto)
To take it off you pull this hood release looking lever under tghe sterring wheel.

WTF IS THAT ALL ABOUT???

did someone say - Hey , just for a laugh lets design the stupidest , least user friendly system we can think of?
"for a start we can have one lever for off and another for on, that'll fuck em up ,
Hey lets make one a foot pedal! yeah ! the last thing people want is more pedals so we'll do that .
If we're lucky it might turn out dangerous as well as stupid and inconvenient!!!

total asshats .


Glad to se modern cars just put it on and off with no controls at all when you park.

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MY LAST CAR...A SATURN...HAD A SIMILAR E BRAKE SETUP....IT REFUSED TO UNBRAKE AT TIMES THOUGH SO I JUST NEVER USED IT.

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"did someone say - Hey , just for a laugh lets design the stupidest , least user friendly system we can think of?"

How old are you and/or where are you from? A foot pedal for the emergency brake is the standard way of doing it in the US, and has been for ages. My 1969 Dodge and my 2001 Dodge both have a foot pedal for the emergency brake. If your normal brake, which is operated by a foot pedal, fails, it is a lot more intuitive to use another foot pedal beside it as your emergency brake than to reach for a lever with your hand; not to mention that in an emergency situation like that, it's obviously best to keep both hands on the steering wheel.

Hand levers for emergency brakes are mostly an econobox thing; at least that's their origins in the US market. My 1984 Ford Escort (which was my first car; got it in 1991 when I was 16), had one of those, but my 1983 Ford F100 that I got in 1993 had a real emergency brake pedal on the floor where it belongs. It also had the high/low beam switch down on the floor where it belongs, the same as my 1969 Dodge does.

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over 50 , UK .
I have
1990 Toyota (handbrake between seats in correct place)
1996 Nissan pickup (hand brake is a pull out thing on the dash due to bench seat)
I too have had an 84 Escort , that'll be mk3

I guess cultures vary and ideas come and go. American car design seems a world away from not only Europe but every other country in the world. I'd never heard of foot handbrakes before recent Mercs (& BMWi think) but I have seen high low lights buttons on the floor, UK had them in some cars in the 60s . (not now though! - people dont want shit on the floor!)

Also in the UK , and I'm guessing elsewhere, its not only not called the emergency brake , but people have never even considered that that is its purpose. We thought it was to stop the car rolling away when you parked it.
I guess the proportions of auto vs manual being opposite in US compared to elsewhere might be why.
I was under the impression brake master cylinders had duel pistons or something to guard against sudden brake failure.

I summary I take your point its not a new thing , which is news to me , but I still dont like it!

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"Also in the UK , and I'm guessing elsewhere, its not only not called the emergency brake , but people have never even considered that that is its purpose. We thought it was to stop the car rolling away when you parked it."

I think it's "officially" called a "parking brake" now in the US too. Most people still call it an emergency brake, or e-brake for short, at least the people I know do (I don't know what younger people around here call it).

"I guess the proportions of auto vs manual being opposite in US compared to elsewhere might be why."

Yeah, automatics have been more common than standards in the US since at least the 1960s, unfortunately, and with new vehicles, they are practically extinct in the US. I much prefer a standard transmission.

"I was under the impression brake master cylinders had duel pistons or something to guard against sudden brake failure."

They do, but they haven't always. Dual piston master cylinders became mandatory in 1967 in the US. The front brakes are controlled by one piston and the rear brakes are controlled by the other piston, so if, e.g., one brake line breaks, you will still have either front or rear brakes.

It makes a sudden total brake failure less likely, but it can still happen. For example, the linkage between your brake pedal and master cylinder could break and then there would be no way to apply the brakes, despite there being nothing wrong with the rest of the brake system. Or, your distribution block could burst, and since both the front and rear brake lines go into that block, you'd have no brakes at all. Of, if your car is rusty, all of your brake lines could be rusted to the point where they are about to fail, so one in the rear could fail and then immediately after that one in the front could fail too. Also, if your firewall is rusty, the part that your master cylinder (or power booster) is bolted to could fail, and that would have the same effect as your brake pedal linkage breaking. Or, your entire master cylinder could seize up or suddenly spring a big leak that affects both chambers.

Emergency brakes are cable-operated so they work independently of the hydraulic brake system.

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My car from the 80s had an e brake like that. It's not new technology.

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NOT EVERYONE GOT THEIR VERY OWN KITT....MR FEENY NEVER SPOKE TO ME THROUGH MY DASHBOARD.

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My current benz has an ELECTRONIC CONTROL brake, just a button, no lever.... no actual control. Which I am not a fan of because, what if the electronics fail?
MAYBE this new pedal is still just electric, I don't know, but it would be nicer to have MANUAL control over an emergency system, than a SYSTEM controlled one.

But, yes, this is a design from the past that has proven pretty decent, and mercedes is pretty good about doing the BEST thing for your driving situation, not "just something that works". If they found it to be an improvement, I'm all for it,
Generally, other manufactures jump on the bandwagon for whatever benz did months ago.

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the pedal isnt that new , I'm talking about a 10yr old or so car - i think your button is what they've moved on to .

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Ah. I thought this was a new (old) thing.

I recently discovered I don't think I can control that brake manually. On a hill, I was wondering how I could roll the car or if both batteries were dead, how to activate or release that brake?
They should go back to some kinda of manual. They won't. Oh well.

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if the batteries die its locked on till thats fixed, sadly.
you even need a special tool to tell it to release when working on the brakes

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see.. that's crap. THANKFULLY, I don't let my cars batteries fail like that, so I should be good. Still, manual would be helpful.

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see.. that's crap. THANKFULLY, I don't let my cars batteries fail like that, so I should be good. Still, manual would be helpful.

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