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When people get mad and angry in arguments, do you sometimes feel the truth and gist gets lost?


Even if you still know deep down inside some or other FACTS, when people get angry in a debate, over anything (but heated issues especially!), do you sometimes feel that truth, point or gist at times gets lost? And is it frustrating to you personally on any mental level?

And if people start to conflict and often at others use swear words, and here I often see people do like well basically EVERYWHERE in life, do you find it unhelpful at times, even if you understand their frustrations?

Cheers.

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Emotion can definitely cloud the conversation during a measured debate.

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I'll say that on reddit, the original argument gets completely lost because all the mods and the angry people focus on, is that you said something was 500 million when it was actually 600 million

yeah...I meant "about"

well why didn't you say about?

shup...

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Of course. People often infer their own personal bias into what's actually being said and take certain discussions personally, and then they don't really hear the rest of what's being said. That's why so many arguments online are someone saying one thing and another person responding with a point that's completely unrelated. Because they heard something in the original discussion that they twisted in their minds or else it triggered something for them that made them lash out.

A good example is religion. Many people who're deeply religious cannot fathom that their God isn't real to someone else, and that alone can be the trigger, because their entire world view is based on their faith and so they can't separate their faith from someone else's God-less reality. And so they'll always take their arguments back to "But God doesn't like X" or "Not according to God" and get frustrated when the other person has to keep reminding them that they don't share the same view on religion. Same thing with any other major topic, like politics, racism, climate change, feminism. We don't all think the same things on these subjects, and that's generally okay.

That said, if we're both adults having a discussion and you can't understand another person might have different experiences and world views, and the only way you can respond is to throw a tantrum or refer to something unrelated to "prove your point" when it's not a debate, it's a discussion, then I have little sympathy for that. And that's why opting out of a fruitless and toxic conversation is always advisable, it's not cowardly to exit from something that's useless and potentially harmful to you.

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With your last sentence, Winter Fir Tree, in my life, I HAVE, sadly, been GUILTY of this, even on THIS very web site and even in last few years or so.

I hope I wasn't being too toxic or harmful though. But I did occasionally throw tantrums, worries and even personal preferences.

And also - notice how we, rarely, ever discuss things on the order of good versus evil and good conquering evil, but we all sadly know that life is not like in the movies.

And what if people occasionally have THOUGHTS that are either totally incorrect, politically incorrect or even offensive, what to do THEN?

And on other occasions, I have paradoxically expected too much and wanted people to indulge me in a nice and friendly manner etc etc etc. Sometimes, I wanted reality to be far less mentally for me emotionally frustrating, sometimes even on fictional behalves of other people like in some movie scenarios, even if I know that legally, for one, they may deserve punishment as well, and in some cases at least, a proper telling off. I even wanted to feel morally great and superior to the rest of the world via a sense of full understanding, indulgence and friendly discussion of various topics, to get rid of anything resembling cognitive dissonance, mental discomfort, depressive thoughts, theoretical suffering and stuff like separating facts and emotions as well as arbitrary things etc.

Paint a more convenient picture of the world, so to say. But don't worry folks, its all alright now.

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But what I also sometimes meant was - does the truth actually get lost or does it stay the same and just has a harder time reaching for some people than to others when this happens?

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The truth remains the same, it just gets ignored, which is often the point of people going off on tangents - they're trying to steer the conversation away from the main points on purpose because they can't handle it and have no evidence against it. Not everyone is equipped to handle the truth and not everyone has the communication skills to say simply, "I don't agree with this regardless of the evidence provided, maybe I'll find more evidence of my own and maybe I won't, but it doesn't really feel true to me so I'll have to disagree with you and end it here." People should feel comfortable with taking that kind of stance instead of fighting and making noise to drown out a point they don't like, but here we are.

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I can understand wanting to escape reality and just have some friendly banter on some deep topics, but if you're talking real world issues, expect real world answers. If you wanna escape from that, even talking about movies isn't always offering that escapism because movies reflect hard things about life and ourselves. And making mistakes is forgivable, no apologies are necessary. You're doing fine. But if you're an adult having tantrums, that's a personal problem you should work to correct in your own personal life, not something you should ask strangers online to cope with, we aren't therapists and we're not getting paid for that.

We can talk about good conquering evil in relation to films, but in real life, conquering relates to conquest, and there's nothing really heroic about that. Most people are not heroes and do not conquer things, that kind of mentality is linked to a superiority complex because no one is asking for heroism and no one wants to be conquered.

If you know you expect "too much", be more reasonable in your expectations.

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Also, I don't know about you (By the way, has this EVER happened to you?) but...

In life, I was also often presented so much with ONE side of facts or even OPINIONS that I forgot or even never really knew at times that other different opposite positions even existed.

Like, I never knew like that we've had either bleeding heart liberals who even officially sympathized with GUILTY criminals like that, and if on rare occasions I came across them, I often dismissed them out of hand for being stupid and whatnot, whereas I felt correct opinions and intelligence is all that matters.

Turns out in life, its not that simple. BUT, people often can't help but be emotional, and some of us, including ME at times, simply don't have all access to all of the information. And macho-oriented tough guy attitudes alone as a matter of fact don't eradicate or massively reduce uncomfortable and inconvenient FACTS OF LIFE, including for which at certain heat of the moment spurs, in arguments, folks may EMBARRASS and SHAME you, and this might make someone like me feel an effect, a negative one, on one's conscience and psyche. BUT...

Paradoxically speaking, sometimes I feel I can and even at times DO manage to rise ABOVE it all. And sometimes, it works, but it takes time, effort and even co-operation on other's behalves.

And I don't want to hear anything about me being an idiot, a troll, a tard or retard of what the fuck ever tard, if I occasionally state that even in exceptional circumstances, I still don't want to be a victim or have this done to me, even if I may rarely wonder if it is AS harmful as those traditional well known ones, in addition to being illegal, and causing say people I know to PANIC in serious moral sense of strong outrage as well. Amongst other things of course as well as political correctness. And life's complexities beyond simple "good guys and bad guys" action movie-like scenarios, which in life don't exist like that overall in general.

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When people get mad it’s usually a sign that they are losing the argument.

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+1. You beat me to it.

Among the behaviors exhibited, usually in order, are raising voices/attempts at intimidation, personal insults, moving the goalposts.

The salient fact is that, and what I'll say is basically, "If I have to be afraid of you for your argument to work...then you don't have a good argument".

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I don't think ANGER is the primary reason that discussions break down, I think that a LOT of people just refuse to acknowledge any validity to any viewpoints other than their own, regardless of level of emotion in the discussion.

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I don't think anyone arguing with someone online is expecting to change their minds on anything and if one side flips out, it's to be expected.

The most you can do is maybe provide them a link to some information they might be missing and let them process that.

While its fun to troll internet retards but they usually don't offer much resistance beyond their set talking points.



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you talking about somone changing their minds, providing info and talking points hahahhahahhahahahahha

says the guy so unhinged you imagine what others are thining and just post your mental breakdown

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Oh look, it's one of the internet retards I was talking about.

You can reply to a sentence or two this time instead of a period. You're welcome.

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So you're down with people buying an unneeded new phone every year?

With people buying disposable clothes made by slaves?

You like those practices on a global scale?"



your delusions

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keep doing this i love you showing everyone how i mentally broke you. :)

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yyaaaa i broke you. good boy

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you are mentally deteriorating. good you deserve it

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does your family know your struggles??

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yaa they know you are unstable. keep going

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