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What were some crimes that were so bad/shocking it had a profound change in the country?


1999 Columbine High School Shooting Massacre.

--Michael D. Clarke

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1969 The Manson Murders. They killed off the hippie era. At least something positive came out of that horrible crime.

1963 The Kennedy Assassination. America lost its innocence. Everything began to go downhill after that.

1982 The Tylenol Poisonings. Before this, edible consumer products had no safety seals.

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Did the Manson murders really have an impact on America though?

--Michael D. Clarke

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As I said, the Manson murders killed off the hippie era. Before the murders, the hippie culture was viewed as colorful and quaint. After, hippies were looked on with fear and distrust, and the whole movement faded away over the next couple of years.

Here's an essay on how the Manson killings changed American culture.

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/the-violent-death-of-the-sixties-dream-1.3973371

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Yes, I think those killings did have a great effect. Although The Manson Family murders happened before my time I always remember to check the doors and window locks every night before bedtime. Charlie targeted wealthy or famous people and I’m neither of those but it’s a good lesson in staying secure and guarding your territory.
BTW, if you want to read a chilling true crime book check out Helter Skelter, it’s one of only a few books that ever gave me the willies.

David Berkowitz (AKA Son Of Sam, Mr. Monster, The 44 Caliber Killer) was arrested about six blocks from my house at his apartment when I was a real little kid of about four years old. I remember the neighborhood parents sitting out on the lawn saying stuff like ‘he looks so normal,’ ‘he’s such an an average guy’ and ‘right here in our own neighborhood?!?’

Most people are terrific but there are plenty of lunatics out there.


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“check out Helter Skelter”

I remember my mom reading “Helter Skelter” when I was little, and she still talks about it to this day if she comes to my house at night and the door isn’t locked. Lol

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It really was a scary book for real.

As well as locking the doors and windows don’t leave your ladders out in the yard, keep the shed and barn locked tight (gasoline, pry bars, sledgehammers, hatchets…all can be effectively dangerous in the hands of a violent lunatic) own a few firearms and get a nosy little dog that misses nothing if you can.

Security Cameras are a plus, I have three around the house for proof in court if things go south for me.

We only know about the maniacs they have caught, I’d wager there are plenty of them still walking around.

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That’s definitely something I’m guilty of. I’ve got every tool known to man laying around this place. I hope the evil-doers bring their own weapons so they don’t break any of my tools when they drop them. 😀

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After a few years of knowing you I’d wager you’d drop them before they ever got into the shed to drop your tools😉

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I’ll tell you another anti theft deterrent that does not cost a dime, but is really effective. I have some nosy retired neighbors that love to call when anything is out of the ordinary. Lol

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Ha😄
I forgot to mention Valentino and his wife Marianne next door… Those two don’t miss a thing!

They got me on video breaking up a fight one time out on the street, they both record everything!

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Better than any alarm, I bet. 👍

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Helter Skelter gave me the creeps - big time. Only book of that type I couldn't finish.

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Yeah, it was written by a Prosecutor on the case, Vincent Bugliosi I think.

Tate was pregnant if I recall, stabbed sixteen times. That was a real horror show.



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911 attacks

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"Before 9/11, there was Columbine."

I think Columbine was really the first event of its kind where a carnage was taking place live on television. I think it changed TV news and broadcasting. 9/11 took it to an extreme level.

--Michael D. Clarke

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Did it change anything for the better though or was it just shock and awe that brought about no significant changes to the point where such an event is so common that it’s viewed with a dull acceptance that it’s just the way thing are?

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There were significant changes from Columbine. It changed law enforcement policy from treating it as hostage situation to active shooter situation. Go directly and kill the suspect(s). Do not negotiate. I'd say this was the most significant change learned from Columbine.

Also, school protocols around bullying and zero tolerance policy in schools.

--Michael D. Clarke

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Again though, has that helped much when you consider America had over 600 mass shootings in 2022 alone?

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Good point. It's the culture of USA. The country has had a long, long history with fascination with violence.

Somebody posted below about the Port Arthur Massacre in Australia. It seems the Australians took drastic action unlike the Americans.

--Michael D. Clarke

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But the police do not "Go directly and kill the suspect(s)" at all. We've seen some very high profile situations where the police pussyfoot around as people are being killed. So no, it hasn't changed much at all.

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For a lot of Australia’s the Port Arthur Massacre still looms large in our consciousness, a mass shooting event in April of 1996, 36 dead, and an additional 23 others seriously injured, it was then the federal government introduced gun control laws, preventing the ownership of automatic and semi automatic firearms by members of the public, since then while we have had some shooting crimes, there has never been anything near the scale of the Port Arthur Massacre, and when a lot of people hear about yet another mass shooting event in the USA and the Gun lobbying saying gun control wouldn’t work to stop these horrible events, well maybe, just maybe it might be worth a try.

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Well, there you go. This is good information.

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The 1914 assassination of the Austro-Hungarian Arch Duke had a big effect - on the world.

The OJ murder trial exposed the vast disparity in perceptions between blacks and whites in America.

The Ferguson incident (I grew up a mile or so from the site) sparked an uprising of protest against racially-targeted policing.

The Watergate & Trump 2016 Election dirty tricks had enormous effect upon the political direction of the country

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OJ Simpson murders also put domestic violence into the limelight when before it was a "private matter".

--Michael D. Clarke

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Very true, but the racial perception gap I think knocked Americans back on their heels. The speed of that verdict, the total disrespect for the evidence, was jarring - to many/most whites, certainly.

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Murder of Adam Walsh, led to the creation of, The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. 1984

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Missing_%26_Exploited_Children


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When the cops beat up Rodney King

In the 80s' when weirdos would put needles in the Halloween candy and hand them out to kids

White van kidnappings. The term strange danger was born and taught to kids in school.

Serial rapist and murderer Edmund Kemper getting caught created FBI criminal profiling and the Elite Serial Crime Unit that coined the term serial killer.

The day Jersey Shore first aired.

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The Atlanta Child Killer, Wayne Williams, dispelled the rather absurd notion that serial killers were 'only white'. This was a serious impediment to the investigation, especially among the black community, because they strongly resisted the notion that the killer could be a person of color.

Others have been added to the ranks. Its a fairly illustrative example of how humans tend to observe patterns that have been established, and sometimes instantiate them into rules. Rules (ideologies) are comforting, they reduce the urgency to confront scary complexities/uncertainties.

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Do you people ever stop?

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Similarly, if you read the Adam Walsh wiki its not all good things. People started feeling like their were predators everywhere, when the numbers just didn't support that. It's great that we now have the missing children center, but people took that to mean that around every corner was a guy trying to kidnap your kid. So some good, and some bad.

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We became a bit hyper-vigilant, perhaps. But that isn't all bad, either. Kind of a drag, but all news now is national, and there's always something horrendous going on nationally.

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That's why I don't watch the news. The news today is a list of everyone's misery. That doesn't help me in my life in any way.

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James Bulger murder in UK, 1993 pretty sure shocked the entire world.

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I was in London on vacation when that happened - the video of him walking off with his killers is heartbreaking.

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