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Is it ever correct to insult and speak ill of BAD people?

posted 2 years ago by TheMan18 (13016)
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Sure sure sure sure sure, we all know it's de-facto wrong, forbidden and inappropriate to insult victims or just ordinary people in general, for obvious reasons anyone over the age of 10 and with an IQ of above 70 who is a decent HUMAN being already knows about too well. That's a given OBVIOUS I stated humanity!

But what about various wrongdoers and wrong thinkers, even IF we disagree with them? Do we really need to swear at them, wish them ill and whatnot or shall we simply educate and inform them first via say a negotiation process? 😏

What if the wrong thinker happens to be an... OH CHRISTINE, SORRY, CHRIST, JESUS ONE, I AM BECOMING TERRIBLY REPETITIVE and wondering WAY TOO MUCH here about humanity's imperfections, double standards, the whys and what's in the world and INTERNET PLEASE DON'T PICK ON ME AND DO NOT OSTRACIZE ME, INDULGE ME PLEASE IN A NICE ANDD FRIENDLY WAY EVEN ABOUT DISTURBING TOPICS, thank you.

But anyways...

If you want my opinion, let's just say - I don't encourage it EITHER. So I would say mostly no. And yeah some folks in their traditional examples are this and that and yes others suffer from ignorance and just don't care and it is a sad fact of life and I don't want to encourage them either. But still...

And let's be brief, to the point, not too blunt and angry, intelligent, calm and informative, thanks.

P. S. Shall I also one day make a thread about "bad things happening to bad people"? Or another question of "if a beautiful woman did something wrong to me in say one type of situation, how do I react? Etc" and DEMAND a satisfying answer free of embarrassing mantras from ANY sides and also make it not too preachy or ask about "life and how it's different to the movies" or if legally "one group of people should be treated differently or same for similar offenses" and demand objectivity and calmness etc? Or ask about "was my grandmother or some relatives right to say this to me in one moment and if I shall worry about it 30 years later" or question if "God and Bible and nature could have places some gene in us to prevent us being PREJUDICED" or ask if "one movie scene was or was NOT it, whether its sexual matters, murder or anything else" or shall I avoid it, including topics about my past worries and issues if at all?

😏 Thanks.
😀 ✅ 👍 😁

[–] actionkamen (23176) 2 years ago

Sometimes, it is tempting to think, it is possible to disagree with everything a person says, and yet to be completely in agreement with them.

Consider two questions: first, whether it is murder for an individual to kill a person who would themselves otherwise be sure to unknowingly kill them (imagine, for example, someone about to unwittingly engage the machinary that will crush a person to death); second, whether all murderers should be condemned to prison for life.

These appear to be two very different, albeit tangentially connected, questions. It’s fatuous to try to boil all of that down to a precis, and such a summary would necessary leave out (/leaves out) a lot and simplifying the rest. In essence, however, it is probably fair to perceive six main thrusts of what he is saying here:

it is wrong to look at accounts of mankind that see man as passive before impersonal forces – rather, history should be explained through active decisions and desires
in point of fact, originally, the rulers created language to impose their will and reflect their attitudes
the rulers were overthrown and their language distorted, creating new values
the values of the masters are founded on self-love; the values of the slaves are founded on other-hatred
specifically, the masters were dangerous and violent men, and the slaves are meek and praise passivity
the lack of danger in mankind breeds contempt for mankind and a turning against life
the ‘positive’ values of Christianity, democracy, liberalism, pacifism and so on are expressions of hatred

What can we make of these? Obviously, any answer would be (/is) presumptuous. But for what it’s worth, I think:

What is it exactly that I find so totally unbearable? Something which I cannot deal with on my own, which makes me choke and feel faint? Bad air! Bad air! It’s when something which has failed comes close to me, when I have to smell the entrails of a failed soul!

What a tosser. But philosophically, what is interesting here is the way that Nietzsche has moved from plain appraisal of things in their own right toward the concept of his inferior beings as ‘failed’. This is important, because failure implies an intent, a proper aim – to call a thing a failure means first holding it up against some ideal and then assuming the the actual was somehow meant to be the ideal.

What might Nietzsche say about that if he were willing to criticise himself?

EDIT: incidentally, is this the first appearance of the idea of Self and Other in this sense (the sense of self requiring the creation of an Other than is then looked down upon)? I know that a lot of the Continentals who popularised the terms in the following century were Nietzsche fans.

Of course, what he is also doing is defining the self not through the self but through the other…

But if there are heavenly goddesses who are our patrons, beyond good and evil, then from time to time grant me a glimpse, just grant me a single glimpse into something perfect, something completely developed, happy, powerful, triumphant, from which there is still something to fear! A glimpse of a man who justifies humanity, of a complementary and redeeming stroke-of-luck of a man, for whose sake we can hang onto a faith in humanity!

[–] actionkamen (23176) 2 years ago

Looks like you don't read long ass incoherent posts yourself huh?

[–] Bloodshot77 (13779) 2 years ago

Lol. Good one. I didn't read either of your posts.

[–] actionkamen (23176) 2 years ago

This OP guy is just a liar. People already suggested him to write shorter, clearer posts multiple times. And everytime he answered "Thanks! Will do!" but he never does.

He knows what he does. He doesn't read long posts either. I suspect he doesn't even actually typed these shit, probably a mere copy-paste job from some random Internet blogs. He keeps on doing it to annoy people and being rude.

[–] Bloodshot77 (13779) 2 years ago

I don't know about ALL that. BUT I do agree that him being very verbose is not helping his situation to persuade people to his cause especially if his blog makes no sense to the average person on this site causing mass confusion to the delinquency of the mass of the population due to his incompetent nature to express himself causing most of us to scratch our heads in trying to comprehend what he is trying to convey... oh God help me!

[–] actionkamen (23176) 2 years ago

He posted a youtube video claiming that the person in the video is him. In the video, he talks normally, no rambling, clear, conscise, and get the points in straightforwardly manner even if a little bit awkward. But most people are awkward in front of a camera.

So the options were:
1. The video was true, thus the nonsensical convoluted style he posts here is somekind of a fake persona (trolling), or
2. The person in the video was not him.

Either way he's lying.

[–] chilone (17875) 2 years ago

😜🤣

[–] actionkamen (23176) 2 years ago

Have nothing to say, eh?

[–] actionkamen (23176) 2 years ago

Where are your multiple paragraphs now?

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 2 years ago

Cheers?

[–] actionkamen (23176) 2 years ago

No more lies?