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What are your thoughts on Salvador Ramos, the kid who did the Uvalde, Texas shooting?

posted 2 years ago by SilenceByWolf (1868)
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I think it's incredibly fcked-up what he did, but he wouldn't have done that hadn't he been bullied though. He targeted the same classroom he was bullied at when he was in 4th grade. Not to mention his fcked up upbringing with drug addict parents. He was doomed from birth. The effects of bullying are far-reaching than many people realize. But yes, clearly, what he did was wrong.

Similar way with other mass shooters.

[–] CarterBlunt (1412) 2 years ago

I want definitive proof these shooters are dead, and not on a private island somewhere like Epstein.

[–] OnanTheBarbarian (13203) 2 years ago

But most kids who are bullied don't go back years later and kill a bunch of children who had nothing to do with the bullying.

So Salvador Ramos is the problem, not the bullying. Bullying is rather normal among kids.

[–] nyctc7 (44119) 2 years ago

Agree

[–] SilenceByWolf (1868) 2 years ago

But not everyone is affected by bullying the same way. Some people take it relatively well and go on to lead well-successful lives. However, those kinds of people tend to have a functional homelife with supportive parents, so they have a "buffer". Ramos had no "buffer".

Would you agree that if Ramos had a functional homelife and not bullied, this crime never would've happened? Guns are not the problem here. It's mental health. Society failed Ramos.

[–] OnanTheBarbarian (13203) 2 years ago

But many kids grow up in dysfunctional homes and don't kill people. I don't think you can blame the bullying or the bad parenting. Millions of children endure these hardships and don't become psychopaths. I still believe the problem is with the individual, not his environment.

[–] actionkamen (23176) 2 years ago

Yeah, it's like blaming porn for rape. Maybe potential rapists tend to watch more or extreme porn, but the problem is still with the rapists themselves. There were rapists before there were porns.

Bullying, bad parenting (and extreme porn) are a problem, but not necessarily the problems to blame for mass shooting (or rape.)

[–] moviechatterer (16326) 2 years ago

true with the rapists thing ,

but I dont think its a parallel with bullying
Being bullied is going to actually change your character a lot more than watching porn will .
Some more than others , partly through different levels of bullying and partly through how "well" they take it.

[–] actionkamen (23176) 2 years ago

True. Like I said, bullying is certainly a problem, no doubt. Just like easily obtainable firearms is one. But both are not the one thing to blame for mass shootings.

The one thing to blame is the guy doing the mass shooting.

The OP premise was to blame bullying (and/or combined with bad parenting) as the underlying cluprit of mass shootings, while claiming that guns (or the relatively ease obtainability) is not.

[–] moviechatterer (16326) 2 years ago

Ramos is the problem, not the bullying. Bullying is rather normal among kids.

Cant both things be a problem?
Plenty of kids are going into adulthood permanently scarred by bullying .... but that all fine if they manage to not explode in a blaze of gunfire?

[–] 102000 (6352) 2 years ago

Yep - kids bully and we have conditioned kids to not fight back and just be a victim - IMO, that is unfortunate.

[–] jriley555 (8557) 2 years ago

Its probably no coincidence that most (but not all) people who do horrendous things have had nasty things happen to them, pathological family lives, some sort of mental/developmental disabilities, etc.

But that's all scratching our heads after the mess is made. There are no easy answers, in terms of causation, because people are too variable/complex to be reduced to some sort of predictive recipe.

Bullying IS bad, and should be actively addressed/repressed. Addressing the other factors is far more challenging.