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An interesting thought on mental illness.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxxH6xm_ZVg

I'd never seen this Charles Manson interview.

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I’ve seen most of his interviews and read a great deal about him. He was a manipulative fraud and inspired young, vulnerable dummies to commit terrible crimes…he is suspected of being involved in a dope dealer’s murder as well but there was never enough proof and who cares at this point, he’s feeding worms which is where he should be.

He was certainly crazy but his ability to recruit stupid young dope-heads into his violent, insane plans speaks to some really seedy intelligence.

It was a good day when this creep died.

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Speaking of mental illness, there must be some underlying reason why you're so obsessed with him... namely, "manipulative fraud" and "seedy intelligence."

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I’ve mentioned before many times that I’m really interested in true crime doc’s and books.

I find the subject pretty fascinating. How can someone be crazy enough to commit armed robbery or murder somebody? It’s crazy stuff and I think it’s worth reading about.

Meanwhile, here you are again bothering me when I had NO wish to have anything to do with you.

Stop chatting with me, you are seriously weird and unpleasant.


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Stop chatting with me, you are seriously weird and unpleasant.


LMAO...WONDERFUL.🤣

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It’s the lonely ones that can’t just go away and die alone as nature intended🙄

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"Seedy intelligence"? Wtf? The word 'cunning' wasn't good enough for you? You just had to replace it with a stupid two-word substitution?

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You are really reaching now, don’t you see how needy and alone you are?
You don’t see that a lot of your posts are insults against other posters completely out of nowhere? You don’t understand that you are an annoying little turd underfoot to nearly everyone?

NOBODY wants to hear from you, you are a bore and an asshole, you bother people that aren’t speaking to you.

Your post is just another cry for help and attention. You are a sad, lonely little person.

Fuck you.

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"How can someone be crazy enough to commit armed robbery or murder somebody?"

Some people are born psychopaths with no empathy toward other people. That's biological.
Then, there are sociopaths and narcissists. Manson had a personality disorder.

A better question is how do they get followers. Why do people allow themselves to be manipulated by someone like him? Manson didn't personally kill anyone. His followers did.

BTW, I just read that Bruce Lee had been invited to Sharon Tate's house that night. Too bad he declined.

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That's an odd coincidence, "Bruce Lee had been invited to Sharon Tate's house that night", given the way Tarantino's film was so controversially dismissive of Lee.

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"A better question is how do they get followers. Why do people allow themselves to be manipulated by someone like him?"

This is what has always intrigued me and never has that question been driven home more forcefully than during a recent, entire 7 season binge watch of the tv series, The Mentalist. A serial killer known as Red John is at the forefront through most of it. Over the span of roughly a decade, he managed to create an 'invisible empire', comprised mostly of highly positioned people in law enforcement, to do his bidding. I sometimes found this to be somewhat far fetched but the series was still nevertheless, entertaining. This clip illustrates that. The character confessing that he's not actually Red John was the Director of the California Bureau of Investigation, just another stooge of his. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci-aR7jD9Yc

Also during this series, a cult known as Visualize was integral to the storyline and was obviously patterned after Scientology.

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Manson is suspected to have killed a guy in a bad drug deal, the Tate/LaBianca killings were carried out by his followers obviously.

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I believe a lot of his followers were homeless teenagers, who had nobody tp give a shit about them, and no place else to go. They were of an age when they'd normally be bonding with a high school or college friend group, so going from being alone in the world to living with a group of friends who'd look after you was a dream come true for the lost souls among them.

People tended to glamorize these lost hippie kids back then then, calling them "free spirits" or "rebels" or saying they'd found a new non-materialistic way to live, but the fact is, most of the runaway hippie kids were just homeless. They'd run away from abuse or their families had thrown them out, they slept in parks or crashed with someone who'd expect favors in exchange for sleeping indoors, they were alone in the world and desperate for love and belonging - and a place to sleep indoors. So yeah, they were desperate enough to be suckers for Manson, who seemed like the only person in the world who cared enough about them to feed them. Even mature people will do just about anything to hang onto the only home they know, and these weren't mature people.

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Did you run over db20db's dog or something? The dude seems never misses a chance to make a random comment against you lol.

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If you had any brains, you'd see there's nothing random about my comments, but there's actually a pattern to my criticisms. Congrats on revealing yourself as a blind follower.

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"There's nothing random about my comments". Any other knee slappers you got there, db? It's funny that you're continuing with this "everyone is a follower and against me" delusion. (eye-roll)

BillHicksFan
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/6282a93a4af0052efa154d84/What-do-you-think?reply=62838fbc4af0052efa1553bb

AnubisRaydeen
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/62706edfa97f001141f46e9e/As-a-20-year-old-expiring-tractor-I-feel-powerless?reply=62718bd67e5370402b82cb29

tcrum
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/62706edfa97f001141f46e9e/As-a-20-year-old-expiring-tractor-I-feel-powerless?reply=62707d11a97f001141f46f5b

actionkamen
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/622ad5040a5ca91b06bdcf75/Can-tablets-replace-laptops?reply=622adcf90a5ca91b06bdcf8b

Allaby
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/621cd73606d73d614661caac/Why-Do-People-Troll?reply=621ce1eb06d73d614661cb34

AndyKing1967
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/620da6467836e53b245b8399/THERE-ARE-SOME-SERIOUSLY-INSANE-PEOPLE-HERE?reply=620e0aca7836e53b245b8750

Wint3rFir3
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/6293a9adda17683e79ef3115/Have-You-Ever-Got-Sick-Despite-Being-Isolated?reply=6294a2322f0d6c65e8597e2c

MillerJones
https://moviechat.org/tt0110413/Leon/5c20245cad903338dacdb082/Tony-was-a-scammer?reply=621c3ca806d73d614661c679

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Damn! This really indicates some obsessiveness on your part when it comes to me. So these 8 posters qualify as "everyone", rabble rouser? And with several, there was nothing random at all, but a clear back and forth going on, idiot.

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Where did I claim that this was "everyone"? I only put enough to get my point across. If I had only put 3, you'd say "that's only 3 examples". I gave you 8 examples and it's "obsessiveness".

But I like how you went from "there's nothing random about my criticisms" to "several there was nothing random at all".

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Aww, piss off and slink back into your netherworld, you sunlight-hating ghoul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bs1XnU7gns I'm not in the mood for your ongoing, stupid, petty bs.

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I'm not in the mood for your ongoing, stupid, petty bs.
And yet you expect us to be okay with yours.

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In the first place, idiot, the obsessiveness I see has nothing to do with the number of examples, but with the time and effort you invested to dig this stuff up.

Secondly, the only one that comes somewhat close to randomness is the last one, and it's on the part of that poster, who came at me from completely out of left field one day over an opinion I expressed about a movie 3 years ago. And if you interpreted my civil and lucid response to his mostly incoherent rhetoric as a "random attack for no reason", then you have a serious comprehension problem, not to mention, also a serious screw loose.

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In the first place, idiot, the obsessiveness I see has nothing to do with the number of examples, but with the time and effort you invested to dig this stuff up.

There are so many of them that it only took a few minutes.
Also, I never want to hear you tell me to prove how much of an asshole you are again if you're going to complain that I'm showing you the evidence.

Now let's look at some of those unhinged comments again:

User says his opinion about how people watch films, and you call him a "narrow minded prick".
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/6282a93a4af0052efa154d84/What-do-you-think?reply=62838fbc4af0052efa1553bb

You accuse someone of attention seeking because they mention they occasionally get the flu.
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/6293a9adda17683e79ef3115/Have-You-Ever-Got-Sick-Despite-Being-Isolated?reply=6294a2322f0d6c65e8597e2c

For no reason you accuse Andy of going to kiss ass with the rest of the board.
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/620da6467836e53b245b8399/THERE-ARE-SOME-SERIOUSLY-INSANE-PEOPLE-HERE?reply=620e0aca7836e53b245b8750

This is you acting like a sarcastic ass.
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/622ad5040a5ca91b06bdcf75/Can-tablets-replace-laptops?reply=622adcf90a5ca91b06bdcf8b

It's hilarious how you have to keep defending yourself from being an asshole and just claim it's a pile-on to get out of it easier.

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"it only took a few minutes..."

Going back into my posting history for at least 3 months and cherry picking this random, so-called evidence, took more than a few minutes, you obsessed, lying weirdo. Another lie I'm sure of is, that you don't really find this funny at all. Btw, the only poster in that list I don't dislike is AndyKing. Sure, we've had a couple of disagreements, but we're still getting along just fine. You keep bringing him up to drive a wedge between us, create divisiveness, you rabble rousing snake.

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I got all of your comments in about 7 or 8 minutes. I found them during a hockey intermission and even had enough time to make a sandwich before the next period started. You do realize that you can read the first sentences of your replies when you click on your username, right? I clicked on the ones where you were being your typical self, so it was pretty easy.

I keep bringing AndyKing1967 up? I brought him up once i with all those links and then showed the exact same link a second time.

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You keep bringing me up because you love me 😘❤️💗😍💕💜💞🥰💖💙

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You keep bringing me up because you love me 😘❤️💗😍💕💜💞🥰💖💙

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You keep bringing me up because you love me 😘❤️💗😍💕💜💞🥰💖💙

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“the only poster in that list I don't dislike is AndyKing”

I know (quoting Han Solo, he says getting a film reference in there).

I’m aware that my flippancy is characteristic that grates with you.

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Not quite getting the Han Solo reference. Flippancy, no. Enabling in the past, yes.

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Oh c’mon, it was close enough, lol.

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I don't, it just seems like you have odd vendettas against more than one poster here. Its just a message board. Don't take things so seriously.

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"I’ve mentioned before many times that I’m really interested in true crime doc’s and books.

I find the subject pretty fascinating. How can someone be crazy enough to commit armed robbery or murder somebody? It’s crazy stuff and I think it’s worth reading about."

Do you watch any true crime YouTube channels?

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Yes, I use YouTube a lot for crime docs, they are of varying quality.
Netflix has quite a few multi episode deep dives into particular crimes.

‘77 Minutes’ was a tough one to watch, it’s about the San Ysidro McDonald’s massacre.

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What are some you watch on YouTube? I have a few but would like to know of more.

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he read Carnagie's "How To Win Friends and Influence People" and misused the information in it.

saw this recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWS4edKmz2Q

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He is all of us in this clip.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a-KJoU6OBTc

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Nothing this bum ever said was true, he was a brilliant fraud from Day One, naive dummies bought T-Shirts with his image on them, kids in college listened to his awful Beatles Rip-Off music…Manson was a piece of garbage….he died of old age in protective custody because EVERYONE wanted to murder this weirdo with a melted, sharpened spoon.

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But the second part of that clip when he said: "goo goop bop goop ga ga ga ga" really resonated with me.

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We do keep these freaks alive too long.

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lol

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At least Manson presents himself as reasonably articulate and somewhat charismatic, and he's able to hold an engaging conversation. Here you can see why some might have fallen under his spell.

Now imagine stopping by in the morning to check on someone who's passed out on the kitchen floor from drinking all night long. Then they proceed to try and fight you when they regain some semblance of consciousness while you're dragging them to the couch for the purposes of a more comfortable rest. After that they stumble around (still piss drunk from the night prior) and proceed to refuse all suggestions to sleep off whatever inebriated state they got themselves into, instead going on incoherent nonsensical rants about every single grievance they're experiencing in that moment.

What a nightmare to deal with such a person.

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Who was that?

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His wife?

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Idk. Why ask me?

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That was a rhetorical question which answered your question, my boy.

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People who talk to themselves and can't talk to other people are usually ill.

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Says the guy who has everyone on Ignore, lol.

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Hey, he speaks from experience.

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He might have himself on Ignore.

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Ignoreception! Somebody call Nolan again!

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An Ignore button, within an Ignore button, within an Ignore button! I see franchises, spin offs, merchandise - we’ll be rich, RICH!

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We see the same thing now. Some people know how to really take advantage of the culture and exploit it to their advantage. If Manson were around now he would be recruiting a cult of Climate Alarmist who he would convince if they killed certain people the sky will stop falling.

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