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Tv shows -- plots and themes --


Has anyone ever recognized that a plot is reused? Of course, yes, especially with long-running shows, and many resulting in using pop culture film plots. But what I'm getting at is when for example watching a crime procedural -- the major episode plot is about searching for a kidnapped victim, and then the very next episode a major or minor character is kidnapped in some way?

I've observed there seems to be a two-episode block phenomenon. One episode is about one thing, and then the next episode has a similar [yet not exactly the same] theme, and then the next episode restarts a new "theme"? Or simply, one theme from the previous episode is present in the next episode into almost perpetuity.


I'm just wondering if anyone has observed this or something similar, and I hope I'm making sense.

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The Brady Bunch and Step by Step is not just similar by a few episodes. The entire premise is the exact same.

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How many sitcoms have we seen where the plot involves planning a surprise party for someone and the characters go to great lengths to keep it a secret?

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It's prolly a "staple" for every sitcom because they must be using some "Generic Plot Ideas" Bible, sold wholesale to every TV producer. However, this was not what I was complaining about; though your point is very valid and frustrates me a bit too.

I kinda wonder what you're saying can be described as TV "culture". I mean, if one wants to watch a sitcom, they must expect a 'secret party' episode(s) in the series.

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No.

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It becomes frustrating once you've come across a TV show that utilizes this. Sure the sequence does happen every time, episodes separated by one or two other ones, but then it goes back to every pair of episodes having the 'same theme, different perspective' rotation.

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I'm not sure I've ever noticed the two block phenomena you described, but I've definitely seen the same plot reused in the same series, or even two different series. Sometimes they don't even change the names of the characters.

One of the 1990s Columbo TV-Movies Uneasy Lies The Crown was exactly the same as the plot of an episode from the 1970's TV Show McMillan and Wife. Other than Peter Falk's Columbo, all the other characters had the same exact names in both versions. The same writer, Steven Bochco, also wrote both scripts.

Another example is the 1990s TV Show Highlander - The Season 1 episode Bad Day in Building A, itself a copy of Die Hard (1988) was remade a few years later in the Season 6 episode Black Tower.

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More about Uneasy Lies the Crown and McMillan and Wife at Columbophile:
https://columbophile.com/2020/10/18/episode-review-columbo-uneasy-lies-the-crown/

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Isn’t that the Columbo episode with a Nancy Walker cameo?

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That's the one.

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"One episode is about one thing, and then the next episode has a similar [yet not exactly the same] theme"

i dont know how they could avoid that in a "crime procedural "

Columbo had a murder every week.

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Woah, I totally forgot about my OP and feel super lame that I didn't reply to any comments.


I get what you're saying, but you're generalizing what I'm saying too much. Just go one level down.

For an example of a "crime procedural":
Episode 1: Male rapes one or more people and receives stiff justice and severe penalties.
Episode 2: A female teacher has sex with one or more students, and receives justice, but also leaves the audience with moral ambiguity.

Both episodes are about rape, but the story is from a different perspective resulting in different outcomes... yada, yada, yada.

A real-world example>Star Trek TNG>
S3.E8 ∙ The Price
[PICARD HOST NEGOTIATIONS]
While the Enterprise hosts negotiations for control of a stable wormhole, Troi forms a personal relationship with an opposing negotiator, unaware of his true being.

S3.E9 ∙ The Vengeance Factor
[PICARD HAS TO CONDUCT NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN TWO PARTIES]
The Enterprise pursues a race of "gatherers" who continue to raid Federation outposts, unaware of the dangers lurking among them.

S3.E11 ∙ The Hunted
[THE CREW HAS TO DEAL WITH A CIVIL WAR BETWEEN TWO PARTIES]
Investigating a planet applying for membership into the Federation, the crew of the Enterprise finds a group of inhabitants who used to be soldiers, but now fight for their very existence.

S3.E12 ∙ The High Ground
[THE CREW HAS TO DEAL WITH A CIVIL WAR BETWEEN TWO PARTIES]
While visiting a planet under civil war, Dr. Crusher is taken hostage by an opposing faction of the planet's ruling government.


I hope I'm making sense and being clear enough. I have difficulties explaining my thoughts sometimes.

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Yeah I guess it can happen , but Its probably just co-incidence.

In the crime ones , the programs deal with a specific team - and that team will have a remit of specific types of crimes they deal with.

You'd think Trek would be more wide ranging , what with the unlimited possibilities of an unexplored universe , but your examples just made me think of "The lower decks" and "The Orville" 🤣
All I remember of TOS is regularly they arrive at a planet of happy content people being ruled / cared for by some benefactor , usually a computer , so they smash the place up and bring freedom!

Or "Fight to the death" pops up quite a bit , according to Fry from futurama.

I bet theres an episode about a robot they find somewhere who thinks he's human , or one that the crew thinks is human but turns out to be a robot - next episode Mr.Data will be doing his usual whinging about the subject.




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I'm just making a quick correction, and falling on my sword regarding my examples, which I just noticed after copy/pasting. I'm getting a bit sleepy now and will respond to your post soon.

I forgot:
S3.E10 ∙ The Defector
[AN AMALGAM OF E09 AND E11]
When a Romulan officer defects to the Federation with a warning of an impending invasion, Capt. Picard struggles to decide if he is to be believed.


And being able to look at all these episodes together on my screen without scrolling up/down (e.g., like when I'm looking at the episode list on the IMDB page), these five episodes are a story arch of 'diplomacy vs. physical conflict', which doesn't exactly provide proper examples for my initial complaints, but the idea I tried to describe there, none the less. meh :/

On a scale from 1-5 (no conflict to 'major' conflict, e.g., accelerationism comes to mind from the audience's pov) from season 3:
E08 is a 1 -- diplomacy wins w/o conflict
E09 is a 2 -- deceit/corrupt of diplomacy, physical conflict continues, but true diplomacy wins in the end, ending the conflict.
E10 is a 3 -- no diplomacy, conflict occurs within a military/government causing a very small faction to defect. In the end, the status between the Federation and the Romulans remains the same -- enemies with a DMZ between them
E11 is a 4 -- no diplomacy, a larger faction of the government (former soldiers) wants to live in peace but is in conflict with the current ruling government. Diplomacy wins but after much kinetic conflict
E12 is a 5 -- no diplomacy, a much larger faction (e.g., a separate/new society) in conflict with the current ruling class. After much death and casualties, common ground is made, followed by diplomacy. Diplomacy thus wins in the end but after major conflict(s).

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This probably wasn't so apparent when you had to wait a week between episodes. Nowadays, with the ability to binge a whole season in one go, it becomes much clearer.

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Very true, and I must agree with you; however, what you're explaining is totally different.

Yes, as some stated above, and as we viewers have witnessed many times, some episodes may be exactly the same or alike or from a different point of view, can be or are scattered along a given TV series, which is either a better form of writing, planning, or producing than what I'm presenting.

What I'm talking about is one level below which your POV is coming from. Instead of reusing old story plots, different pov's thereof, or whatnot throughout the series or given season, which can be masked by a few episodes or more between them that the 'audience will never know' -- dickhead studio producer thinking --- but it worked for the most part. I've found that kind of okay; however, I'm talking about "back-to-back" episodes, like every pair of episodes show the same theme/plot but from a different perspective.


I think it's really cool and necessary to show two sides, even a third or more sides to a given situation, if the plot needs it or if there are more potential stories to tell about said situation. But, I feel like there are many TV shows, prolly more in the late 90s to current, where there's an A/B rotation. It's as if it's easier to write another perspective of the episode the writers just wrote instead of writing a new one and planning to write a different perspective of said episode in the future.

[Not real storylines/episodes of MONK]
A hyperbolic illustration:
Episode 1: Someone steals Monk's bagel, which leads to B-C-D-E(nd of Episode)
Episode 2: Monk inadvertently takes someone else's order at Starbucks(TM), which causes B-C-D-E(nd of Episode)


Though I'm being literal, as I'm typing this out people may read this as "LOL": They come in two [ref. Star Wars -- altaiagffa]. It's a paired morality tale but from a different point of view.


Sorry. I'm rambling. Not making much sense prolly. I'm just going to go to sleep hopefully - should've happened hours ago:/

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There are two episodes of the original Twilight Zone, “Mr. Beavis” and “Cavendar is Coming”, with similar stories.

Also there are a few series that copied the premise of “The Fugitive” such as “The Incredible Hulk” and “Run, Joe, Run”.

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Oh man, the Incredible Hulk even did it's own version of Duel (1971), I think it even used some of Speilbergs footage.

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TV series Cheyenne had several episodes where they copied movie plots such as Treasure of Sierra Madre.

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