Men, women, black people, white people, gay people, straight people, cis people, trans people, etc. They all think everything, such as society, the media, Hollywood, the government, etc, just absolutely hates them, and wants to get rid of them. Why is the world so paranoid and delusional?
shareBrainwashed.
share>> They all think everything, such as society, the media, Hollywood, the government, etc, just absolutely hates them, and wants to get rid of them.
Do you ever read a book or look at any social, political or economic statistics? But, honestly, that is a pretty absurd meaningless claim ... they ALL thing EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY HATES THEM?
Who are they all?
I meant all those demographics have a large amount of people who think that. I didn't mean everyone from those demographics think that.
shareBut, what do they think, and how can you know what they think. And, if you do not know who, or what demographic thinks what, how can you or anyone else make sense of the problem, or even define the problem?
shareI've already said what they think, I'll repeat it:
"They all think everything, such as society, the media, Hollywood, the government, etc, just absolutely hates them, and wants to get rid of them."
I know what they think because they often share what they think.
Who's on first?
What does that have to do with anything?
shareWho are you talking about "they"?
shareLarge portions of those demographics I mentioned.
shareOK, so don't blame me if you cannot be specific.
shareOK I am very lost now. I think I have been very specific though.
shareYou said ...
> Men, women, black people, white people, gay people, straight people, cis people, trans people, etc. They all think ...
Is that specific or did I miss something?
OK, I am very lost, I don't know what you're trying to ask, so let's try starting again. What exactly would you like to ask me?
share> Men, women, black people, white people, gay people, straight people, cis people, trans people, etc. They all think everything, such as society, the media, Hollywood, the government, etc, just absolutely hates them, and wants to get rid of them.
OK, speaking as a white people, straight people, and etc people, I don't think that everything hates me and wants to get rid of me. So, who are you talking about?
I'm saying all those demographics have large numbers of people who think the world hates them. Many people from all those demographic don't think that, but many people do.
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prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.
LIFE IS OPPRESSION...A LOT OF FOLKS ARENT TOGETHER ENOUGH TO SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES.
Speaking as a white male, there is a lot of bigotry and hostility directed at me in society from the media, Hollywood, the government and ect.
On the other side, a lot of the bigots and racists who direct that hostility towards me, like to pretend that people like me are all powerful and racist, so as to justify their hate and racism.
That's my observation of the issue.
Can you give specific examples?
shareI could give hundreds. I have to go to work. Give some thought to what type of example you would find the best, from your POV, then tell me, and when I get back tonight, I will give you an example that fits it. Have to go to work, 8 minutes ago.
shareI'm not trying to be rude, but if it's so common, surely you can just provide just one example off the top of your head. Any type of example is fine.
Just to be clear, I know bigotry against all demographics exists. However, I think it's extremely rare, and widely condemned by society.
Off the top of my head, we have been discussing a lot, Falcon and Winter Solider.
The leader of the Flagsmashers was quite clear in her dismissal of Captain America, past or Walker, because he did not look like her or her people.
ON the other hand, it was clearly presented that Sam Wilson was going to be the new Captain America, and that the only people that could possibly have a problem with that would be evul racist white guys who wanted a Hero that looked like them.
This type of double standard is common, and accepted by society. It is pure racism to believe that a white guy can't represent people who are not white, and it is even more racist to hold that belief AT THE SAME TIME, that you believe that only racism would prevent a white guy from not supporting a black guy to represent him.
I haven't watched that, but what you've described isn't very convincing. Aren't the Flagsmashers the villains? Isn't the point to show that they're wrong? And just because a movie or TV show discusses racism, doesn't mean it's a racist movie or TV show. Otherwise that would mean all murder movies are pro-murder.
If you're creative, you can find a way to accuse anything of bigotry against anyone. You can say The Shawshank Redemption is sexist against men, because all the male characters are criminals. You can say it's sexist against women, because the only female character is an adulterer. You can say it's racist against white people, because the vast majority of criminals in the movie are white. You can say it's racist against black people, because Red is the only black character, and he's the only prisoner who admitted he's a murderer, meaning he's the only one who has no chance of being innocent.
And anything is possible. It's possible the writer absolutely hates at least one of those demographics, and wrote the movie just to make them look bad. But some things seem so unlikely they're not worth thinking about. To accuse them of being bigoted based on no evidence other than huge stretches like that is pure paranoia.
Nope. The show was clear that the Flagsmashers were to be sympathetic, to the point that at the end the new Captain America scolded a man that called them terrorists, just because they were, and literally told them to "do better" leading to them caving to the wishes of the terrorists.
You did say "Speaking as a white male, there is a lot of bigotry and hostility directed at me in society from the media, Hollywood, the government and ect." ... i.e. directed at you?
I assume you personally. What you point out here does not fit the bill to what you are claimed.
If Steve Rogers or John Walker (and Bucky Barnes doesn't even get discussed) can't be an American Hero in today's multicultural and diverse world, while I am expected to toe the line for the new and improved BLACK Captain America, even though he "doesn't look like me", the message to me, personally as a member of the viewing audience, is pretty clear and pretty insulting.
So, you are taking a Hollywood Captain America movie personally then?
shareWell I'll take your word for it, but there's no evidence that the show was made with any agenda in mind. Accusing the writers of deliberate bigotry still sounds like a huge stretch. Again, you can find a creative way to accuse anything of anything.
It sounds like the show does have some bad messages about terrorism, but many great movies and TV shows have bad messages. There's never any evidence that the writers intended or agree with those messages. Sometimes they write movies and TV shows simply to be entertaining, without even thinking about what kind of messages they will convey.
For example, there are many movies that could be interpreted as promoting things like revenge, vigilante justice, torture, murder, etc, e.g. Man On Fire. I'm sure the writer is not in favour of those things, he just wrote it to entertain, without even thinking about the message. And there's nothing wrong with that. Other than documentaries, movies aren't supposed to teach, they're just supposed to entertain.
Let's for a moment assume the writers of Falcon and Winter Solider actually hate white men, and wrote the show to attack them. I think it still proves what I said earlier:
"Just to be clear, I know bigotry against all demographics exists. However, I think it's extremely rare, and widely condemned by society."
The vast majority of movies and TV shows don't even mention race or gender. Falcon and Winter Solider has received a lot of hate, as have many other movies and TV shows, that are accused of being "woke propaganda" or whatever. Which prove that society heavily condemns all forms of racism and sexism, even when there's no evidence that it exists.
It is not condemned by society, it is accepted as normal by society. It is acceptable for minorities to complain that they are not represented by white men, because the white men "do not look like them", while it is taboo for whites to have any such complaints, and are required to celebrate any diverse role models that are provided.
That is different rules for different folks, based on the color of their skin. Not to mention that the men in question are being judged first and foremost by the color of their skin.
White men CAN'T represent diverse, modern populations, because White, while black or brown people can.
I'm not saying double standards don't exist. There are double standards that affect every demographic. It doesn't mean society hates any specific demographic, or accepts bigotry against them. Many people often call out double standards, including the one you mentioned.
I can give you numerous examples of bigotry against all demographics being heavily condemned by society. An example is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-X3-ha1pbU&t=
It's a very famous story, it's been heavily covered by the media, and has been heavily condemned. I can't find any examples of anyone saying anything positive about it. Pretty odd for a society that hates white men.
That story is more about men, there's a very similar story that's more about white people. It's not as famous, but it was still heavily covered and condemned by the media and society. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a8yg7RJq2c
Both stories you offer as counter examples are actually just more of the same anti white male racism and sexism that I was pointing to.
Sure, there is some limited push back. But by and large, the Conventional Wisdom in the West, supported by the Political, Cultural, Economic and Academic Elites, supports these various double standards that are hostile to white men.
A real counter example would be a double standard message pushed by Hollywood, or something equally powerful, that was hostile and bigoted towards minorities while giving special privilege to White Males.
I think the push back was much more than limited. How much more push back would you want? They weren't enormous news stories, but that's because there are many much bigger issues in the world. They were still covered and discussed pretty widely, and I haven't seen anyone say anything positive about them.
If you think individual examples of bigotry against white men are proof that society hates white men, then that should also mean you think society hates every other demographic. There are individual examples of bigotry against every demographic, in all types of places.
Here's an example of one in a school setting against black people: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teacher-goes-racist-rant-after-not-realizing-zoom-was-mother-n1262843
I'd argue that story is worse, and was covered and discussed less. I could use that as an excuse to accuse society of hating black people, but I won't, because like I said, you could find a creative way to accuse anything of anything.
I think the original Birth Of A Nation is the only Hollywood movie or TV show that is clearly bigoted against a specific demographic. You'll argue there are many with more subtle anti-white and anti-male messages. However, like I said, you could find a creative way to accuse any movie or TV show of having any type of message.
1. The pushback had no consequences or changes associated with it. THe same people who were responsible for the racism and sexism are still in charge and will still be pushing the same messages, just slightly less blatantly.
2. To counter several examples of powerful forces publicly pushing racists and sexist narratives, you present an example of an opposing racist who ACCIDENTLY was publicly outed.
3. I am not being creative in finding ways to accuse. You are being creative in finding ways to give them a pass.
It's very hard to fire someone in an educational position, they'd have to do something much worse.
Here's an example of a teacher deliberately saying something racist against black people, and she wasn't fired either. https://www.revolt.tv/2021/4/14/22384642/oklahama-teacher-administrative-leave-black-student
No, there are no examples of a school principal asking black students to stand and apologise to white students for crime. There are also no examples of a black teacher saying “You better get yourself over there, cracker" to a white student. That's because they're very specific scenarios.
Of course there are racists of both types, ie anti-white and anti-black, represented in all walks of life.
The Topic is where do I get the feeling of "hostility and oppression" from media, hollywood, society, ect.
In the examples of anti-white racism we've presented so far, the anti-white and/or anti-male sexism, is not only the public position/action of powerful entities or figures but is only pushed back, by grassroots outrage when they go way too far.
The anti-black racism examples you've shown, are accidently outed by people who are hiding their true feelings in fear, and quickly pounced on by their bosses, and/or a mob the moment they are outed.
THUS, my conclusion of the anti-white and anti-male sexism being the Conventional Wisdom of our society and the policy of the powerful who are punching down at people like me.
I would prefer a society where both types of racists and bigots felt they had to hide their feelings, and conform to society's expectation that they have to treat people like PEOPLE, regardless, at least as far as their jobs do, and that they are in no position to use their positions to publicly and openly work to convert others to their hate and bigotry.
I don't think there's really anything else to say, I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
shareTo say that the vast majority of shows and movies of the last couple years don't mention race or gender, simply isn't true. It's constantly being shoved in our face in almost every sitcom or drama.
shareBecause every group is constantly bombarded with news telling them they are.
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