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Now, more than ever, please encourage physical media ownership...


...before it's gone.

Yes, digital is wonderful. It is convenient, it takes up zero physical storage space in your home. You no longer need to have huge wooden media racks to hold all your movies, music and/or books. This convenience comes with a huge flaw and risks. It can be instantly edited, or simply erased and banished at the whims of someone who doesn't like the contents. Poof! Gone!

But censorship is rapidly progressing. Owning uncut, unedited, and now banned media is going to be important if you value art and knowledge. Please consider physically owning these things once more. If we have to eventually hide our precious films, books, and, music from the Grammaton Clerics of Equilibrium, then that's what we'll have to do to save our art. But, do it, we must.


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You have a good point here. I don't think it is that bad yet, and everything is like this now. An enemy such as Russia, China and Iran with a lucky 9-11 computer virus attack could drop us all back to the stone age. No one that I know of, at least with any political power is thinking about this or suggesting any plan of action.

"Equilibrium" was a good movie.

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You know, but also there is probably less real censorship now than ever before. If anything the "extended-cut" releases of movies show more than the theater releases. They aren't going anywhere.

Can you give me an example of the kind of censorship you are referring to? Are you obliquely referencing something political?

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Censorship is more than editing. Denial of ownership, denial of the ability to purchase something is also censorship. Think, The Dukes of Hazzard, Dr Suess and now Looney Toons. There has never been more censorship than there is right now, through denial of service. Businesses refusing to sell a product, or businesses refusing to print a book. Amazon and Ebay are utilizing their influence to do this very thing, removing products from their sites, and disappearing listed items from members. Look, we're not talking about Hitler Youth knives, we're talking about childrens' Dr. Suess books!

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Lots of books go out of print, and some change. I don't know why Dr. Suess was you last straw. The owners of Dr. Seuss's stuff decided it was an embarrassment to them to have that stuff out there and not the image they want to project. There is always the market for collectors items.

Dr. Seuss is not censored, it's time to retire books with racist imagery. I think it's only 8 books too.

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Well shit man, let's just burn it all then! America, fuck yeah!

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Not a conclusion I or anyone else would come to.

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I was actually in support of this before the censorship and editing BS began. See, a common problem streaming had to start with in the first half of the 2010s (and is still an issue now) is that [unless they are produced by the actual streaming service] movies and tv shows would come and go all the time, causing people to get upset when their fave series or movie disappeared. My mom almost cancelled our Netflix account when they dumped "Bones" a few years ago. We all first begged her not to do it, and after this happening several times prior to that, I suggested that she get the series on dvd, just in case we went off to Hulu and it happened again!

The editing and censorship became a real issue very recently, particularly where Disney is concerned.

There's also another reason to get dvd's of something. Too often, I'll go use the Search function on my Roku main menu, and there are still some movies and tv shows they do not have available on any streaming service [or you have to pay to rent/buy it on Amazon's service] but they're available on dvd already.

A good example would be some stuff I used to watch on Discovery channel back in the late 2000s, and they're kind of obscure. One was a docufiction called "Alien Planet," which is a fascinating story about some probes we send to a planet called "Darwin IV" to study the alien life there. The CGI is kinda dated now, but it's still a beautifully made, incredibly realistic portrayal of life on another world. We bought the dvd very recently.

There's another fun docufiction I saw made by Brits that was vaguely similar, with two episodes about the planets "Aurelia," and "The Blue Moon." Strangely enough, neither is available on Discovery Plus, and I'm suddenly very tempted into getting a Region 2 dvd of the "Alien Worlds" and a region-free disc player.

I also enjoyed this interesting series called "The World in 2057," which shows what the future might be like. It was broadcast on Discovery Channel in 2007, so the premise of the series (I think it had just 3 episodes) was "What would the world be like 50 years from now?" They showed both the good and the bad parts of such a world, and it was fascinating to watch. Sadly, it's not available anywhere on streaming right now.

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Here's an interesting premise.
Let's say you buy a digital copy of the original Dumbo which is true to it's original form. According to the terms: you "own" that copy. Let's say Disney finally caves to the PC police and removes the crow scene. They change your copy to match the new "acceptable" version. Wouldn't that be destruction of private property?

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No because you never owned the movie. You only own the license to view that particular title in their service as long as they allow you to. Have you never read the term of agreement?

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Truthfully: No. And that falls on me. I’ve only ever signed up for one of these with Ultraviolet. When UV folded a few years ago I lost access to the service which has soured me on the whole process. Since then I only buy DVD or download.
I was just asking. Thanks for correcting me.

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Exactly, Digital "ownership" is not ownership. If the service shuts down they don't need to refund you, and if there is a rights debacle over who actually owns something it can be removed from their systems and deny you the ownership you priorly had.

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Aktionman is correct. Just as with a dvd disc or a video game cartridge of old. You may own the physical device itself, but you do not technically own the content within. This has always been a sticking point with media producers of all types, one that was unenforceable on their end. Digital actually provides a level of enforcement.

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But it's worse in the digital case because they can change it at anytime. A DVD cannot be changed after you bought it, but the content owner can request the service provider change the content they're distributing, or even remove it all together.

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You got it.

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I can't deny that I don't see an issue with companies deciding to no longer produce or distribute certain content anymore, but people really need to stop thinking "digital ownership" means ownership. You're at the whims of the company you're streaming from and the company providing the content to the streaming service.

Modified Aspect Ratio is awful, if it was filmed in 4:3 it should stay in 4:3. So are retroactive alterations to films... but this is the world of "digital ownership" where you don't actually own anything, you only have licenses. At least you could sell a DVD, but you cannot sell your license to your "digitally owned" movie because you don't actually own it.

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FYI- According to current copyright laws physical media is the only format of recorded media that the consumer owns outright upon purchase. Even then there are copyright restrictions that dictate what you can't do with the programming (duplicate, re-edit, etc.).

On the other hand, copyright holders (studios) maintain ownership of streamed or electronically purchased digital media in perpetuity. Consumers don't own any part of the digital file and are only granted limited license.

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That's rather hard since some Marvel cartoons from the past are legally only available through streaming here in the U.S. Like the 90s Spider-Man cartoon and some other older Marvel cartoons. Or other cartoons like the Tick and the Mask.

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