Let's be serious for a moment. What is your criteria for having said that Trump or one of his allies colluded with the Russians? What is the difference between gathering information on a political opponent which all candidates do and actually affecting how ballots are cast physically? Does the opposition really want to open this can of worms if they or their allies could be brought up on similar charges? Is there a statute of limitations? If Putin is as invested in Trump as many suspect then why would he not pull out all the stops to insure Trump remains in the White House? Surely Putin's intelligence sources would have some juicy material to be used as leverage.
America's obsession with a shirtless Putin aside, I think if Donald Trump were working with the Russians we'd know it. And we know it. He's been working with Russia.
Define "working." Do you mean as in to tamper with voting machines and ballots? Is there an actual statute that Mueller is using in his investigation? If there is a statute that has been violated will the standard be upheld in the future regardless of the President's political affiliation? Is there a statute of limitations in play? Given the seriousness of allegedly tampering with a US Presidential election it seems there should be no statute in terms of time elapsed. If we find evidence of tampering going back decades should not anybody still alive be investigated and charged and then prosecuted? Again, if Putin deems it critical for Trump to remain in office for his own purposes would he not pull out all the stops including all intelligence gathered on those bent on taking Trump out.
Sorry, but I'm going to have to call Bull Shit on this. That's an absurd fantasy concocted by the Left in their continuing hissy fit over Trump beating Crooked Hillary.
Then why have several Trump people been indicted on Federal charges? Why would anyone be lying to the FBI about their involvement with Russians?
If they have nothing to hide, then they would have happily told the truth. If they have nothing to hide, then they would not risk Federal charges by randomly lying about "nothing" to the FBI.
Also, Hilary still won the vote, but we don't live in a pure democracy, so gerrymandering is a favorite Republican tactic.
Manafort is being looked at for connections that predate Trump by a decade. The charges on Flynn may or may not have anything to do with Trump as Flynn was in government before Trump. Sure the desire is there by Mueller to get Flynn, Manafort, or anybody else to give anything they know about Trump up but that is not the same as knowing for sure that Trump broke a law. Unless these guys hire dopes for lawyers Mueller will have to cite a law that was broken in order to prosecute. I would hope that simply being seen with a Russian, Iranian, North Korean, etc. is not a prosecutable offense because then many Democrats (Clinton's) and Republicans will have new Leavenworth addresses.
"but that is not the same as knowing for sure that Trump broke a law"
I never said that, I simply asked questions. MovieManCin literally stated that this is all a "fantasy" of the "left," so he is the one pretending to know something for certain.
I am just wondering why you guys are so obsessed with Hillary? She isn't your president. She lost.
That being said, why is it a big deal that there is an investigation into Russian interference? If Trump didn't do anything, then nothing should be found, correct? The fact that people involved with Trump and his campaign have been indicted should warrant further investigation, no? I would think that if a foreign country was meddling in my country's election process I would like to know the who, when, where, why, and how of it all regardless of my party loyalty.
Because she is an arrogant, lying, stealing, cheating bitch, and a terrible excuse for a human being. She's also quite possibly an accessory to several politically motivated murders. She let four brave Americans get killed at Benghazi, and then had the incredible GAUL to say "At this point, what difference does it make?" And then she LIED about it saying it was caused by a video!
Then she insulted HALF of America by calling us DEPLORABLES! She is such an ASSHOLE! She's also stupid.
In politics you go after your opponent, NOT the voters!
And for the last year she's been WHINING about losing, and blaming everybody and everything except for the real problem: that she is a terrible person, and was a terrible candidate. And she and Obama and the Deep State have been trying to sabotage the presidency of President Trump. In my book, this is tantamount to treason.
All she is interested in is power and money, and exerting TOTAL CONTROL over all of our lives for the "common good". Like all Demoncrats, she is an enemy of liberty!
As to the Russian so called "investigation" it's merely a partisan witch hunt being carried out by the hysterical Left in their continuing hissy fit over Crooked Hillary losing the election. All of the people working on it are Crooked Hillary supporters, and have open despised Trump in emails and texts. It's a fraud and a hoax!
Damn! When a Republican loses a race, he/she makes a concession speech, and then GOES AWAY! When you damn Demoncrats lose an election, you lawyer up, sue, and try to make the elected official's life a living HELL, as you're doing with President Trump.
GIVE IT A REST AND GO AWAY!! You're wasting the taxpayers' money on this absurd witch hunt!
Oh yeah, and enjoy this video. It's favorite of all time!
PS And I forgot about the whole Email Scandal. The corrupt head of the FBI said yeah she's guilty but she didn't MEAN to break the law. (I wonder what she bribed him with.) That's Bullshit. She broke the law and should be in jail for that.
I disagree with your comment about republicans losing a race a going away. But I will tell you that 1. I'm not American. 2. I'm not a Democrat and 3. President Trump is hardly innocent. 4. Clinton lost the election
I've just seen several of your comments and you seem to be obsessed with Clinton.
Fair enough. Sorry if I offended you, and nobody is totally innocent.
So what exactly is Trump guilty of? I will admit he can be obnoxious at times, but that is not a crime, at least not here in America. it's called being honest. I don't know if that's a crime in your country. Where are you from?
And the media is EXTREMELY obnoxious towards the President every day, the assholes! And they LIE about him every day.
And yes I am obsessed with Crooked Hillary because she won't go away. She and Obama and the Deep State are trying to sabotage a sitting president. In my book that is tantamount to treason. She should be in an orange jump suit.
You didn't offend me. I am just trying to understand your passionate hatred for someone who would probably would go away if you stopped talking about her. I think that Obama knows what it feels like to have Trump try to sabotage him. Trump was a birther. As for what Trump is guilty of, that still remains to be seen but he is not honest. Please don't try to tell me that.
I'm glad I didn't offend you. So you know of nothing Trump is guilty of? Excellent. So what country are you from? And BTW no politician is honest. It's not the nature of the game.
PS You obviously do not understand Crooked Hillary and the Democrats.
She is NEVER going to go away, just like Dumbo Ears Obama and the lying, biased media is never going to go away.
They're trying to sabotage the President every single day. So we in this country have to deal with these people on an everyday basis.
Anyone who tries to discredit Trump is a friend of mine.
And anyone who whines and cries about Crooked Hilary this, Dumbo Ears and Deep State that, I have no respect for. It's all been Trumped up by Fascists, yelling lies louder and louder hoping people will eventually believe them. I'm not in bed with Ms Clinton, but she's not half the nut-job the Donald is. That's obvious to anyone not polluted with hate for some nebulous anti-american left.
MovieManCin2- The only thing you've said so far that upset me is, "She should be in an orange jumpsuit." yikes! Thanks a lot. I can't get THAT image out of my head. lol
I know Mrs. Clinton did her best to disguise her body with those baggy pantsuits. But orange?? She better hope that the prison where she's sent has jumpsuits in earth tones or basic black.
In our system, that doesn't count. It's the Electoral Votes which elect a president. The Founders, in their wisdom, set this up so that the people in populous cities and states wouldn't automatically force their ideas on the people in rural areas and less populated states. That's also why there are two Senators from every state, no matter how large or small the state is.
If we elected a President strictly on the popular vote, there would be millions of Republican voters in blue states who would come out and vote. They don't now because they know their votes don't count in a blue state. The same is true for Democrats in red states.
It doesn't matter. He won where it counts, the Electoral College. So no matter how much Crooked Hillary and the rest of the Libtards whine and cry about it, he's still the president. And there's really nothing they can do about it.
If you're not happy with that, change the Constitution, and good luck on that one.
Well good luck being a jackass and saying rude and obvious things. Duh, Dumb-ass Trump is our suck-ass leader, and we'll get fucked in the ass with his policies, and we should just shut up and take it. Brilliant !
"...People in populous cities and states wouldn't automatically force their ideas on the people in rural areas and less populated states"...Um right...No matter how much you try to spin it ignoring a larger voting bloc simply because you don't like their ideas is the opposite of democracy. If you don't like that then go try and secede instead of pretending everything is democratic. And enough of the "Libtards" insults and Fox News tribalism.
Are you kidding? I'm LOVING it! I don't care if he's obnoxious, cause he's getting things done! Ane he's undoing eight years of damage which old Dumbo Ears, the arrogant, lying, self-centered, narcissistic Muslim Marxist forced upon this country.
I haven't wasted too much time on this Russian collusion "story" (this reply is probably half of it) because there is no story. Tell you what, show me *one* vote that was swung to Trump's camp as a result of Russian interference and I'm on board. In the meantime, I can cite certified election results that show a more than 100 percent turnout in heavily Democratic areas, all of them (not surprisingly) for Hillary...
Libs are looking for someone to blame for a crime that was never committed.
Yeah. This is a serious flaw of the law. If this is true, then when the zombie apocalypse (inevitably) happens, everyone can't vote. That's just absurd! End of democracy!
More than 100 percent? Are you just trolling to show your ignorance of math? If everyone votes for a candidate, is that over 100%. Sounds good on paper but doesn't pass the smell test. But of course, Republicans don't really bother with a smell test, they just send out Bots to repeat everything they've been programmed to say. Good on you.
The truth hurts, I guess. Actually Hillary won with more than 2.7 mil votes. So, the majority chose her, my darling. American voting system is really weird. You love Trump? Ok but the whole world is laughing at your racist/sexist President. He doesn't even hide his views on women and races
She targeted densely populated areas,and got more votes,but that ignores the HUGE part of the country that is middle America,which overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Over 2100 counties preferred him over her,that is very substantial. She went for voters,and it blew up in her face. This is EXACTLY the reason we have an electoral system, otherwise ambitious politicians like her would never bother trying to help anyone that didn't live in a city and could gain her power.
I wake up every day thankful for the electoral college here in the US. Otherwise there would be mob rule. Even though setting up our government was nearly concurrent no doubt Ben Franklin and the others who had visited France had to be concerned with what was happening in France which was the decay before the revolution there.
I just don't like and don't respect that system but I'm not American. What do I know?
I just feel sorry for the USA - probably my favorite foreign country. It will become a Russia's puppet in the future. As I said before, the whole world is laughing at Trump. He's a clown. At least. Hillary is more respected worldwide plus Russia was afraid of her. You won't achieve anything with Trump but I still hope I'm wrong
No actually the truth is just fine with me because Trump is the President, and there's absolutely nothing Crooked Hillary or anyone else can do about it. She has been left on the sidelines to cry and whine about it. π π π π
And she and Obama and the rest of the Deep State have been trying to sabotage an American President for the last 13 months. In my mind this is tantamount to treason, and should be prosecuted and punished.
And no offense, but I really don't give a crap about what you or the rest of the world thinks about my President, or anything else for that matter, because it's none of your business! I don't hassle you about your elections (if you even have them) because it's none of my business. So why don't you just mind your own business, and leave ours to us?
Okay??
As to his not hiding his views, that's called honesty, which is almost non-existent in our political system, and yours is probably the same. BTW, what country are you from?
Your reply is so hypocritical and just stupid. Someone started this thread. I replied and expressed my thoughts. Or maybe Trump will say "NO" to Freedom of Speech??? Of course you don't care about my opinion, why do you reply then???
Not nice, Irina. My post was neither, and I replied to let you know that I don't give a crap about what you or any other foreigners think of my country. If you're offended by that, too bad, so sad.
Because I like to discuss things as long as the other person doesn't get nasty. And I like to reply to anyone with an opposite opinon. Don't be paranoid, Irina. And enough with the name calling. Okay?
Don't be rude, don't insult me just because I prefer Hillary by a long shot and then everything will be OK. I always respected other opinions but I hate when someone starts using strong language. It says a lot about that person
You didn't insult my president but you insulted Hillary - one of my all-time favorite fereign politicians. Anyway, politicians are insulted by many people, so don't cry like a blind fanatic!!! Personal insults is another case though
And it's YOU who have poor taste in politicians, even though it's none of your business.
And Trump is not a racist or a sexist. Those are lies and distortions. told by the American Main Stream (or as I call them Lame Stream) Media. The Media is HEAVILY biased towards Liberals, and hate Conservatives. And they wake up every day hoping and trying to destroy our President.
Oh seriously? Not racist? He just did what the last three Presidents promised to do but didn't do! He finally declared that Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel and the USA will be moving its embassy there.
That MUST be racist or bigoted in SOME left winger's book! LOL
After President Trump's announcement, the folks at CNN, MSNBC, etc, went crazy over the idea that this was terrible and would start violence and all sorts of tragedy in the Middle East since it "clearly" was a bigoted move against the Palestinians and blah, etc.
We have to face facts, he'll never do anything right in the left's opinion. He could donate ten million dollars to a lesbian, transgender, illegal alien, pro-choice, Muslim soup kitchen and he'd still be on their hit list.
Clinton, the most unpopular Democratic candidate in modern history, still managed to win about 2 million more of the popular vote. More people didn't vote for anyone than they voted for Trump. Meanwhile, his been ranked the least popular President in modern history with a 40 something percent approval following his inauguration which continues to slide.
None of the 2016 candidates were really spectacular IMO, all the 20+ candidates form the start of the race, with Trump being the absolute worst and most ridiculous of them all. Yet he's there mucking up the capital hill. Another worst political stunt to come out from 2016 next to Brexit and South Korea dealing with an impeachment from a scandal.
Not even the two third party candidates that a lot of people, funny enough, seem to forget exist after spending so much time being so vocal about the two partisan candidates or parties. You'd think that scenario could end up offering a green party or libertarian president for the first time ever for America so easily.... but nope! Status quo. Third parties still can't achieve anything out of it. Plus Stein and Johnston were also the two candidates that previously ran in 2012 election. So whatever happen there for them?
Exactly. The most a third party ticket ever won a percentage of votes was still back in 1992, and George Wallace was the last to win some states in 1968.
Look at how many counties Trump won vs Hillary. His appeal is widespread,while hers was only targeted to the most densely populated areas. Trump won over 2,600 counties,whole Hillary won less than 500. This is a real representative of America,not just the loud screaming from New York and California.
How can it be reprensative of America when the candidate with the less votes wins? Where sparsely populated areas get more say than where a larger percentage of the population resides?
He lost by two million votes to a very unpopular candidate. More people didn't vote for anyone than for him. His approval sits around 40 something. Nothing indicates that his appeal is widespread.
It's almost as if your ignoring the point. She targeted densely populated areas,and got more votes,but that ignores the HUGE part of the country that is middle America,which overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Over 2100 counties preferred him over her,that is very substantial. She went for voters,and it blew up in her face. This is EXACTLY the reason we have an electoral system, otherwise ambitious politicians like her would never bother trying to help anyone that didn't live in a city. Also,the same poles that show how unfavorable he is are the same ones that had her winning the election the day before.
It's called proportional representation. A larger number of votes should be automatically disregarded in the grand scheme of things. That's not democracy.
I'm about to take a hike too snepsts. I came here too because I wanted to discuss movies, not to get roped into arguments with Trumpsters like everywhere else. There's seldom a response to discussions about individual films and TV programs while rantings about "SWJ's" and trigger posts dominate discussions.
There are a lot more of us than you thought, and it is definitely reflective of reality. After all, we did elect him. You've been paying too much attention to the lies of the main stream media, who are biased towards the Left. Hell, they ARE the Left! BTW, enjoy this article on your buddy Dumbo Ears: