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Will the world ever change for the better as long as humans exist?

posted 7 years ago by TheMan18 (13183)
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Or will we forever exist in conflicts and have anger issues and problems and whatnot?

Also, I sometimes say things in an attempt to explore something I don't mean as in its not how it MAY seem on the surface, but I get conflicts thrown at me by people who say this is how it is, express a lot of anger in return, don't forgive me if I apologize and just drop it (and no, I don't hurt people OR attempt to promote any type of injustice in any way) and at best - I tend to realize that INTERNET may in the end not BE a safe place for those explorations and discussions of even potential exceptions, like say if I saw something strange in a film etc and it gets people riled up, but they bring up TRADITIONAL examples of this and that and not argue about the MAIN aspect of the topic, its like I say to myself - Yes, we get it, but can you calm down and move on please, thank you?

I wonder sometimes if in our world we were just INCAPABLE of conflicts PERIOD, but what WOULD it take to make us that way really?

Maybe most of us should take "A Clockwork Orange"'s violece aversion therapy, no?

I also often have the rather unhealthy habit of silencing certain discussions because I often just feel I personally have had enough of them - maybe its because I mentally invent a better world for me whereas reality exists anyway in harsh ways beyond our wants and knowledges, correct?

And bearing it all I sometimes wonder - will our human world like EVER change for the better?

[–] McQualude (4231) 7 years ago

All living species fight for survival because resources are finite. Those that can exploit a niche no one else wants can thrive. Some use social structure to their advantage, apes, ants, some fish. Trouble with humans is that we are very good at survival so we primarily compete against ourselves. And we live in a society where control over resources brings great status and privilege. Our nature will never change but if you could change how we value contribution, we could become more peaceful. That or one leader conquers everyone and establishes one world government.

[–] LetThemEatCake (2717) 7 years ago

The world is better than it has ever been, believe it or not.

[–] TheMan18 (13183) 7 years ago

I kinda believe it but we still have an EVOLUTIONARY amount of room for improvement. And many people still disagree with commonly established rules, opinions, stances and even LAWS from time to time, even if they don't actually always break them themselves, like MRAs for instance who FREQUENTLY defend BAD MEN and bad male HABITS in a very SELFISH way, giving the impression that many men themselves are bad by nature and by virtue of being men.

Same for religious and political extremists of various kinds out there. And racists and fascists for that matter.

[–] TheMan18 (13183) 7 years ago

Jesus, and now we have Steven SEAGAL being exposed of sexual harassment as if Weinstein wasn't a problem enough, Jesus Christ, are there any NORMAL and civilized men left in Hollywood to date? Gasp!

[–] Kawada_Kira (7282) 7 years ago

People reflect the conditions in which they live. People become better people when they enjoy good conditions of life. Anger is a basic human emotion (and not just human either), and there will always be assholes to some extent, and of course mental illness will probably always be a thing (unless medical science overcomes all of it sometime down the road, you never know), so of course perfection is impossible, but if we can live in a socially just society without deprivation, injustice, exploitation, poverty, oppression and so on, where people have easy access to both their needs and their wants, then yes people can be better.

People who lived under socialism in Eastern Europe, despite their complaints about some things, commonly report that people were nicer back then, people took care of each other, there was a sense of community. Because of universal employment, adequate vacation and leisure time for workers, free access to education and healthcare, and a society that didn't revolve around consumption for its own sake, people were just happier. They didn't have worries, they weren't in lifelong competition with everyone else and didn't struggle to get by. Of course there were problems too, but it goes to show that in a socialist society where all people have equal access to the public wealth, everyone's needs are met and people are taken care of, people just turn out better.

[–] TheMan18 (13183) 7 years ago

As a matter of fact Kawada Kira, I went to Russia this August for a holiday (first time in 18 years if you believe it) and saw a lot of my relatives there, and with a lot of them, I had a very friendly chat about what life was like for them in the Soviet Union and also during those times where life was poor, certainly poor compared to today's day and age, and they actually told me they were very happy even with basic food, basic monthly pay, had friends, were able to socialize and generally enjoy themselves and even various restrictions like buying a car or limitations to travel didn't bother them too much.

And then some of my relatives, like one of my grandmothers who is still alive, claimed she saw various horrors of WW2 as a little girl and had her father murdered by the Nazis and even married at a young age of about 16 but she was still normal and happy and we wish her all the best and to live for at least 5 if not 10 more years - and I certainly don't bother or criticize or even show off to her too much either.

I still worry a lot about various sexual a*use issues in real life and also the fact that even though it is a very evil and hurtful matter, real life shows that its not exactly easy to just get rid of it, even if laws don't work and society is at best indifferent here to victim's suffering or even downright worse including in terms of law where it makes life work for the victim, I wonder if Kirby Dick who directed "The Hunting Ground" (2013) for instance ever thought what would happen if we WERE allowed to go "I Spit on Your Grave" (1978) on those perpetrators and just kill them off, then again, how was Lorena Bobbitt received after c*st**t**g her scumbag of an abusive husband like that, and was she CORRECT to do it to him like that if he actually WAS guilty - or was the situation more akin to the final scene in Japanese movie "In Realm of the Senses" ("Ai no corrida") (1976) where that woman Abe Sada did it to that man - but the man apparently in that

[–] TheMan18 (13183) 7 years ago

to be continued...

movie did not even, er, "violate" her that way (in other words, she basically severely hurt and killed, sorry for the SPOILERS, an innocent man there for her own selfish reasons!), on the other hand, I couldn't help but wonder, what would that man in that film do if she, er, s*x*ally a**aulted him instead (if that 4-letter r-word even applies), yeah sort of like that scene from "Thursday" (1998), even if its not done by say inserting an object into his behind like in some films we've also seen, but like, you know, in a standard way, regardless of whether or not he decides to report her to the police, would he be severely traumatized by it and would he kill her, if that scenario were to happen?

Granted, it would be nice indeed if we all just got along and never hurt each other especially intimately in any way in the first place, but sometimes with all the paradoxes about laws not working and victims having to suffer even more when trying to get help, what alternatives can we ultimately look for, and would starting say a WW3 or a witch hunt but against GUILTY offenders really solve anything? (Well, according to say, director Thomas Vinterberg's acclaimed and controversial Danish drama "The Hunt" (2012) with Mads Mikkelsen - not really.)

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

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