while attending a country music festival - not sure of the motive
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html
"At least 50". Sadly, the number of dead will rise as some of the 400 wounded lose their fights.
shareI just read the article...from 32 floor...i don't want to be insensitive,but...i wanted to say something...damn,50 killed...and suuure,his brother didn't know about his arsenal...
shareThe fact that we've been having so many mass-shootings like this recent horrific one in Nevada indicates that firearms are far, far too accessible here in the United States. A lot of people refuse to face up to the facts that stronger, more affective gun control laws would save hundreds of lives.
shareumm, killers don't obey laws, there's not a law in the universe that would have stopped that attack, did you know there are more than 2000 gun control laws in this country already? and they are useless.
shareThe problem is, yawkee24, is that guns are far too accessible here in the country. Stronger, more affective gun control laws have to be implemented. The fact that the United States, as a society and a culture, is so dependent upon the gun has come home to roost in more ways than one. We're now seeing the net results.
shareHere's a law that's already in the books mplo, the United States does not allow the sale, trade, ownership or possession of automatic (machine guns) weapons, or the altering of a semiautomatic to an automatic weapon, with a punishment of 10 years in prison for any of those violations, but that doesn't mean anything to a crazed killer, that net result is not b/c of our culture or society, it was b/c of some nut job's brain that shorted out b/c of drugs or brainwashing and no law could have stopped it, don't blame the USA, it's all over the world, bombings everywhere from terrorists, all over the mid east, Paris, London, Germany, even Switzerland, the country that's supposed to be the worlds neutral country, never at war with anyone, they were targeted,
You can't buy a machine gun legally in this country, it's black market sales and usually from Europe or the mid east.
If the gun laws here in the United States are so affective, why are so many people getting access to them who really shouldn't, and why have we had so many mass shootings lately? There's something about our society and culture' dependency on the gun, that causes things like that to happen here in the United States as often as they do.
shareFor one thing, the shooter had no criminal record whatsoever, which immediately put him under the radar of LE.
shareWell, obviously there was something seriously wrong with the guy, mentally and/or emotionally and he was quite adept at hiding his problems until the time of the shooting, thus enabling him to get access to firearms.
He'll have a criminal record for sure, in the event that he's found, tried for and charged with his crimes; mass murder with a deadly weapon; a gun.
he's dead
shareHow come other mass-shooters without criminal records have gotten access to guns so easily? There must be something about our whole society and culture that allows for that.
shareYou just answered your own question with, " without criminal records. " 🙄
shareEven a kid can get a gun now days...i was expecting such act from a teenager not from a 62 year old...damn
shareIt doesn't matter. Not all of our mass-shooters are teens. Many, if not most of them are adults.
shareThis is a serious problem,mate...the authorities must do something...a pistol,yes...but an assault rifle...merde
sharePistols also permanently injure or kill people too, however. Not as many people at one time, but they still kill or injure people, nonetheless.
shareGuns don't kill people...those who handle the gun are killers.
shareI have to disagree with you somewhat, croft_alice. I stand by my opinion that guns are designed and built to kill people and they do just that. When they end up in the hands of unstable or irresponsible people, an already dangerous situation is worsened.
shareTo be honest...i carry a weapon with me also...it's a pocket knife,not a gun.
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I carry it as a tool,you know ...to cut bread or other food that needs cutting in my lunch break at work...but ...i go to work at 5am,so i never know what people i may encounter at that hour...it's both...a tool and for protection,if it's neccesary.
shareI once chased off two guys trying to break into my home with a " tire buddy," a tool that truck drivers use to check their tire pressure.
It always has been and will continue to be a dangerous world. Sometimes one just needs some protection from that danger.
Well..at 5am you never know who wants to...have a little fun...so to speak...so i'll show them fun...and two guys...i wonder who were scared the most,you or the thugs?
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Well,Dazed my blade is about 10 cm...so if the cops will find it,it's considerred a...white weapon....i never draw it,however.
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Thank you for an excellent post, Dazed! You are absolutely spot on with everything you've said here. The trouble with the United States is that as a society and as a culture, the United States has depended upon and revolved around the gun since its founding. What we've been seeing here, in the ways of mass shootings, the highest murder rate by firearms per capita in the Western Hemisphere (which the United States, sadly, has.), frequent shootings and killings in many of our poorest, most overcrowded and already high-crime urban areas, as well as too many people shooting, killing and/or maiming during heated arguments (which turn deadly when firearms are present.), not to mention accidents that can and do occur when people are careless about keeping their firearms locked up and unloaded.
I have friends who passionately defend the right to gun ownership, and there's no putting it past them.
mplo, the gun laws here in the United States are effective, no law abiding citizen own guns in states that prohibit owning or buying guns without proper scrutiny, it's the killers that know people that sell dirty weapons,
obviously mplo, you know very little of street smarts, and I'm not here to teach you anything, so you can believe what you want, adios.
Adam Lanza used his mother's guns which she obtained legally not on the black market.
shareAdam Lanza's mother made the mistake of allowing her son to have access to guns, when he had psychological problems to begin with. She should've kept them locked up where her son couldn't get access to them, and unloaded, to boot.
shareyawkee24, the fact that killers know people who sell dirty weapons are able to get around the laws, first of all because our gun laws are not strong enough or affective enough, and secondly, because various lawmakers here in the United States, from the President(s) on down, are unable and/or unwilling to enforce the laws, or make stronger ones. The NRA has affectively bullied lawmakers out of doing either of those things, and out of pressuring gun manufacturers to install things like tamperproof locks in the products. What's even more disgusting, and heartbreaking, is the fact that our lawmakers and other politicians, with damned few exceptions, have never, ever had the gumption to stand up to the NRA's and the Gun Lobby's bullying tactics.
sharemplo, first of all, it's not affective, it's effective, and secondly, it does not matter how strong a law is to a crazed killer, the man killed himself, he didn't care about the law or the consequences, he wanted to kill as many people he could and nobody or any one of the 2000 gun laws we already have would stop him, you can't blame the country, the politicians, the gun laws, the NRA or anyone else, that man wanted to kill and be killed, and that's the name of that tune.
share country musician Caleb Keeter changes mind on 2nd amendment
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/02/country-musician-changes-mind-on-2nd-amendment-after-vegas-massacre/
mplo, the gun laws here in the United States are effective, no law abiding citizen own guns in states that prohibit owning or buying guns without proper scrutiny, it's the killers that know people that sell dirty weapons,Excellent counter argument.👏 share
obviously mplo, you know very little of street smarts, and I'm not here to teach you anything, so you can believe what you want, adios.
People don't realize that the 2nd Amendment of the U. S. Constitution no longer applies. It hasn't applied here for ages.
shareYou're right, but that itself is a huge problem. The U.S.C. is the supreme law of the land and can only be changed through the amendment process. Where is the amendment that invalidates the Second Amendment?
shareThe Second Amendment of the U. S. Constitution was written and used when the United States was first founded, in order to control and corral African slaves whenever they rebelled over something.
shareThey're not that affective, partly because the United States' various lawmakers, from the president on down, have never, ever had the gumption to stand up to the NRA and the Gun Lobby.
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doesn't happen in japan/australia/uk and so on
shareYou can't buy a machine gun legally in this country, it's black market sales and usually from Europe or the mid east.
Just read on Google exactly what you said, I also read on google exactly what I said about the 10 year sentence, and not being able to own, buy, posses, trade, sell automatic weapons, so what do you believe?, I think the only answer is "don't buy a machine gun"
shareWhile the legal purchasing of fully automatic machine guns registered before May 19, 1986 are pretty much out of the question for the vast majority of gun enthusiasts since they cost so much being they are so rare, this is not the case for the semiautomatic AR-15 which is both legal and inexpensive. And the scary part, as I mentioned earlier, they can be legally and cheaply modified to simulate fully automatic machine guns such as the M-16 for an economical price tag of approximately $1,000. I believe this is the crux of the argument since the gunman reputedly used a legally purchased semiautomatic assault rifle which were legally modified to mimic an illegal, fully automatic machine gun.
shareVery scary lets hope there are no copycat killers.
shareThe irony is, this a double-edged sword, as up until the advent of this news, while gun enthusiasts and were very much aware of this modification, I don't think many, including myself, realized that virtually anyone who lives in states such as Nevada, can purchase a weapon such as an AR-15 and legally modify it to perform almost like a fully automatic M-16 for around a grand. Yet that doesn't mean such news shouldn't have been made public as everyone has the right to know about the legal proliferation of military-style weapons among civilians. For this reason, I'm now wondering if authorities will fast-track legislation that will ban either the AR-15 or the bump stock add-ons or both before copycat killers can arm themselves to the teeth. But it may be too little too late, as once word gets out that a certain gun or mod could be banned, guns sales skyrocket. Recently, the NRA has voluntarily decided to call for increased regulation of bump stocks, which I believe is a huge move in the right directon: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-the-nra-decision-on-bump-stocks-is-a-big-deal/
If this guy had used a semi-automatic any idea what the death toll would have been ??
shareWhile I have no idea how many would have been killed had he used a semiautomatic AR-15 instead, the death toll probably would have been much less as a semiautomatic AR-15 fires only one round per trigger pull, while a modified AR-15 has a fire rate of up to 800 or even 900 rounds per minute according to some sources.
shareThe problem is the USA celebrates and encourages gun ownership, and profits from it. Like a poster said previously, countries like Japan have far fewer gun deaths (and let's add suicide) because they don't accept, and actually discourage, gun ownership.
Sure, Nut Jobs will do their thing, but we've created a culture that accepts gun-play as normal, so now we have random idiots with lots of guns doing what should be unthinkable. It might not even occur to them to blast away if we hadn't encouraged everyone to be gun owners.
Thank you for an excellent post, snepts61. You are so spot on about this. There are too many guns being manufactured here in the United States, and too many people's lives are either ended or adversely and irrevocably altered as a result of a trigger's being pulled in anger, or whatever.
shareAmong the casualties is a romanian teenager,too...
shareWhat the H3LL is going on???
The world has gone mad :|
Now ISIS claimed the attack... according to the FBI
shareSomehow, I knew they would even if they have nothing to do with it. Anytime there's a number of fatalities, they'll use it to instill more fear. And of course, plenty of people will believe it.
shareMoreover, whenever there's been a mass shooting like the Las Vegas shooting, people here in the United States go out and arm themselves to the teeth. When Norway had a similar mass-shooting afew years ago, norwegians called on their government to implement stronger and more affective gun control laws, which is what they got.
sharesame thing happened in Australia after a mass shooting in the 1990s
shareI only read that ISIS was celebrating the attack, not that they were claiming it.
shareDamn that article just rambled on and on. I expect more from CNN. But ah well.
Yeah another shooting. I wounder why they immediately tried to hunt down some woman? And release HER name and not his, does seem a bit ignorant, but hey cops are involved what can you expect? LOL
So from the article maybe he was a mamma's boy. He was worried about his mom, then shot up the place. Reminds me of an arsonist who's mother was being deported so he set fire to a bunch of buildings just cuz mommy was going away. Something like that.
Just for fun let's see what other motives there can be:
He snapped.
Trump nut job that needed to punish the sinners in the city of sin.
He really hates country music.
It got too hot and his brain fried.
He could not get laid.
He was bullied/molested as a child.
He was gay and just figured it out.
Multiple personalities.
Mental disorder.
He wanted to be famous.
He wanted to break the record for most killed in a shooting.
Inside job for gun grab.
He wanted death by poliece.
He did not like the direction country music was headed.
He wanted to kill someone in the crowd then got carried away.
He went off his meds.
Break up/divorce.
He planned this his whole life and made his dreams come finally true. (That is extreme premeditation have that many rounds and sh!t lol)
Let's see what story the media goes with.
there is irony that it was a C&W festival
share"there is irony that it was a C&W festival"
How is that ironic? Splain me, please.
a lot of C&W artists do NRA events
shareOkay, gotcha.
share@hownos
And? So, C & W artists do NRA events. Please explain how that relates to the slaughter of 59 human beings with over 500 wounded, some most likely affected for life. Surely you aren’t saying the victims were likely to be strafed by a modified weapon because they were at a C & W festival. Or maybe you feel they deserved it due to the company they kept.
No they didn't deserve it but its time the C&W industry detach itself from the NRA. Good on Rosanne Cash for taking on the NRA:
ttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/03/opinion/rosanne-cash-country-musicians-nra.html
Why? We, yes I’m a member of the NRA, didn’t do the horrific deed. Why should anyone blame the NRA instead of the evil one who chose, yes chose, had free will to do the slaughtering of other human beings. It’s so easy to blame a thing or a something instead of the person. He was hell bent on carnage and he needed an open venue with many targets. Are you aware a rock concert was on his agenda? Even though most of that type carry weapons would you associate them with the NRA? When it comes down to it the something, the NRA did not pull the strings of this piece of garbage!
shareI've been seeing some reports that he was eyeing a " Life Is Beautiful " festival just prior to the CW one but couldn't book the rooms because they were unavailable. 😡😢
shareyou have to accept responsibility for the permissive gun culture.
share@hownos
No, I don’t! I’m not “accepting responsibility” for people owning guns anymore than I would take responsibility for someone keeping poisonous reptiles! I’m not forcing anyone to do anything. I’ve been in homes where people have a multitude of weapons. My dad had many weapons which were displayed on a wall. My husband and I own many of different types. I carry a 22 magnum. When I was in high school there was a gun club. The guys would walk to school with their rifles on their shoulders. No shootings of human beings occurred.
You still don’t get it. Something has changed in the culture. It’s not the weapons, the things, they’ve been around for decades. It takes an external force for these “things” to operate. Within the external forces are certain people whose psyche has become evil incarnate. They will use whatever is necessary to accomplish their purpose, a gun, a truck, a car, a pressure cooker, fertilizer, etc. You cannot blame the something or an organization for the evil acts someone commits. That person has free will. I ask you again....do you blame the vehicle culture when a truck takes out 86 people? After all we Americans love our cars and trucks. Or do you blame the driver?
When you and others of like mind quit blaming an inanimate object, maybe we can begin to sort out why people want to do mass killings. Could the drug culture (prescription drugs) be part of the problem? The drug Ritalin for ADHD is very close to cocaine. One of the side effects of Ritalin is psychosis. No child of mine would ever be on that poison. Adults are taking the damn stuff!
Quit blaming the thing. The thing did not jump up, sprout legs, arms, hands then proceed to fire itself. The thing had an evildoer pulling the trigger.
I am curious - why do you feel the need to carry a 22 Magnum ?? Do you live in a high crime area ?? Please tell me what you are afraid of ??
share@hownos
- “why do you feel the need to carry a 22 Magnum?” Umm....because people are being accosted in Wal-Mart parking lots? Because no area is immune from crime? You don’t have to live in a high crime area to be assaulted. Because I drive alone on trips? My hand is on my weapon in my handbag or in it’s holster on my waistband when I stop at rest stops. Why do you think there is Security at Florida’s rest stops. In the past women were being assaulted...one was raped and murdered.
Car jackings still occur with the occupant being forced into the vehicle. Women are careless when shopping. They aren’t aware of their surroundings. They load their groceries into the vehicle while leaving their handbags in the cart. They drive with unlocked doors. When getting gas the vehicle is left unlocked leaving their handbag on the front seat easily accessible to someone by opening the passenger door.
Home invasions occur frequently. Because we had two home invasions? Would that work for you?
If you aren’t fearful and alert you are being foolish. What would you do if accosted or have your home invaded? Are you cut off from the outside world? Do you live on an island where crime may not occur, but then again someone could reach you by boat.
15 years ago our house was broken into during the daytime. I didn't feel the need to go out and buy a gun. Just got a new alarm system which has done the trick.
share@hownos
We also installed an alarm system, but it’s false security when you think about it. How do you know it’s done the trick? Just because you have signs stating “Security System”? You are fooling yourself. Do you know how fast they can break & enter, do their dirty deed and be gone before police arrive? In the meantime you are shot. Do you carry your alarm system when leaving the house? Why not since it does the trick in keeping criminals at bay? People are followed home and are the most vulnerable when that occurs. You must not read the papers, listen to the news, etc. to not know how many times people are assaulted. In our small safe as can be town, a nurse was accosted in her driveway. She was found murdered at her home. Still unsolved. And you ask me why I carry a weapon...
Do you live in a high-crime area, kspkap? Just curious.
Frankly, I don't think that carrying a handgun or any other type of weapon is a smart thing to do, because it can be taken away from you and used against you.
Also, it's possible to be alert without being overly fearful. If someone's alert and aware of his/her surroundings and of what's happening around him/her, they're less likely to be attacked. If, on the other hand, a person's fearful or not alert, or just plain distracted by something or other, a potential assailant can sense that right away, and often enough, will attack the person. While some attackers do choose their victims at random, many, if not most people with criminal intentions choose those who seem the most vulnerable in some way or other as their victims.
@mplo
You apparently didn’t read my reply to hownos who asked me the same question. My answer was to the effect of a person doesn’t have to live in a high crime area to be assaulted. Good grief! People are being assaulted in Walmart parking lots!
I prefer to wear my handgun, but I also own handbags made for carrying a weapon. My hand can enter sideways to a special pocket holding the weapon, where I have access to the weapon.
If taken away from me, better to be used against me than for me to be shoved into the vehicle. Once that happens, I’m going to meet a not so pleasant end. I’ve seen it happen too often on the news.
OK....you don’t think carrying a handgun is a smart thing to do. What would you do to try and protect yourself?
For starters, being aware of and paying close attention to one's surroundings is an important key to at least minimizing the chances of that happening.
In the second place, in the event that you use your gun on a person and you end up either killing or permanently maiming them (which is all too easy with a firearm), be prepared for the very real possibility of ending up with a court date, and being involved in an expensive and major civil lawsuit.
In the third place, it could be used against you.
In the fourth place, even if you don't get shoved into the vehicle, there's always somebody who'll be faster on the draw than you are. Have you ever heard the expression "No matter how great you think you may be, there's always somebody who'll be your master." ? That applies here, perfectly.
I, too, am aware that anybody can be assaulted, even in places that aren't high-crime areas. The reason that people are often getting assaulted in Wal*Mart parking lots is because there's often not enough security, or adequate enough lighting. Wal*Mart, all too often, doesn't bother with that.
@mplo
Really? Blame the “something again”?
“The reason that people are often getting assaulted in Wal*Mart parking lots is because there's often not enough security, or adequate enough lighting. Wal*Mart, all too often, doesn't bother with that.”
That’s the reason people are getting assaulted in Walmart parking lots? No...they are getting assaulted because a criminal chooses to do so.
When are you folks going to cease blaming “the something” and begin to blame the perpetrator? People who are hell bent on committing an unlawful act will find a way to accomplish their evil act.
France is very strict on gun ownership. Did their laws stop the mass shootings they’ve had recently? Do you realize the most likely targets are in gun-free zones? Where people are vulnerable?
In your opinion people don’t have a right to protect themselves by whatever means necessary? Because in your opinion doing nothing is better due to the criminal may have the upper hand? In otherwords just stand on the spot and say “Here I am. Do what you wish!”
Years ago, I drove a taxi on the graveyard shift in a rough, military town. I almost lost my life on that job because the community was experiencing a rash of robberies on cab drivers. My only protection was a billy club which I kept tucked under my thigh while driving.
sharesounds like Tombstone circa 1880
shareSomething has changed in the culture.
@Frogarama
You are correct on all your points. So many different diseases are hereditary;why not a mental problem? Are we aware yet whether this murderer was abused, how was he raised? As you suggest were there dormant feelings which came to the surface? Suicide by police is how so many of these killers want to go out. I’m relieved he ate his own weapon.
I mean that psychopathy is a real thing that can be passed down genetically. It can even be spotted with a PET scan.
There is also one well-known psychologist or neurologist, I forget, who knows that he has a psychopathic mind, and has discussed it. He's had a very stable life, though, so it hasn't caused him many troubles.
I don't know about psychopathy, but I have Bipolar 1 and I've gone through a manic episode that lasted months. My decision making process was severely compromised by it... I certainly was in control, but my desired amount of control had changed. I can imagine something like that being combined with other factors, like for example a psychopathic lack of empathy.
The brain is a weird thing. It's an odd mix to be glad he took himself out, yet to know it would be comforting if he'd lived long enough to say why he wanted to do this.
Of course the paranoid conspiracy tendency says it's just another black ops mind programming experiment like some other mass shooters, testing "hypnotized soldiers" on people that are more and more normal until it works on EVERYONE!!!
@Frogarama
“It's an odd mix to be glad he took himself out, yet to know it would be comforting if he'd lived long enough to say why he wanted to do this.”
I don’t believe he could explain why. We on the outside looking in cannot fathom the evil in the human heart and mind. It takes a serial killer to understand another. Ted Bundy lived long enough, but all he did was blame pornography. If that was the cause, my God, no one would be safe due to the prolific use of porn.
Several years ago after Columbine and other school shootings there was a report stating most were on Ritalin at some time in their life.
I really don't like pharmaceuticals. They're trouble.
shareI don't agree with the idea of eliminating pharmaceutical prescription drugs. Often enough, they're necessary for the control of certain innate, biologically-based disorders of some sort or other, so that people who are afflicted with such disorders or illnesses can live as normal, happy and healthy a life as possible.
share@mplo
I agree, some pharmaceuticals are needed. I think I draw the line when it comes to mind altering drugs for kids such as Ritalin. But, we have a drug epidemic in this country (US) which is causing irreparable harm. Doctors who are willy nilly writing pain management drugs, so it’s not just street drugs causing the problem. I can attest to the destructive powers certain drugs can cause. A member of my family has destroyed everything by the over use of narcotics. The brain will never be right again. I wish the ad which was on tv showing what drugs can do to the brain would be run again. The ad depicts fried eggs as being your brain with the voice over stating “This is your brain on drugs”.
The overuse and abuse of prescription drugs can and does cause lots of problems. The inappropriate use of antibiotics is a good example. When somebody is prescribed an antibiotic for a bacterial infection, one is supposed to take all of the antibiotics, exactly as directed on the jar or bottle, every single day, until all of the medication is gone. That is because some of the bacteria that caused the infection for which the antibiotic has been prescribed are even tougher and more resistant than others. Taking the medication every single day, exactly as it's directed, is to make sure that the infection is wiped out and the symptoms don't come back.
The main reason that antibiotic resistant bacteria (or superbugs, as it's the in thing to call them these days.), arise is due to the all-too-freqent inappropriate use of the antibiotic in question. Many people take the prescribed antibiotic for a certain infection for 2-3 days, and then stop taking them the minute the symptoms go away. When the symptoms of the infection re-emerge, they resume taking that same antibiotic. This, in turn, is what creates these antibiotic-resistant bacteria, or superbugs. That's why it's important to take all of the medication that one is prescribed by a doctor for their bacterial infection, as a preventive measure, so that an antibiotic-resistant won't develop.
Dude, what were we saying about the dangers of pharmaceuticals?
CHECK THIS OUT
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/353799-report-suspected-las-vegas-gunman-prescribed-anti-anxiety-medication
"Report: Suspected Las Vegas gunman was prescribed medication that can cause aggression"
Dayum!
@Frogarama
Hello! Everyone! Read and learn! Diazepam is Valium. There is no telling how many he did take, but maybe the autopsy will be able to confirm if he did or not overdose himself. He was the evil external force who pulled the trigger....not the weapon itself.
Also, more info re: Ritalin
“ADHD children are typically taken off of Ritalin when they reach adulthood. Interestingly, these individuals seem to be more prone to cocaine addiction. Why is that? Because Ritalin and cocaine are similar drugs, it's possible that ADHD adults are unknowingly using cocaine as a replacement for Ritalin. In other words, it may be an attempt to self-medicate. Cocaine may help individuals with ADHD focus and feel calm and in control.”
Could he have taken Ritalin in the not to distant past. We have to attempt to find the answer to why we have these mass shootings. The weapon, no matter what it was, was just an object to be used. It’s not the gun...it’s the psyche of the person using the gun. This guy was sane but had become evil. Why? This is a global problem for which we don’t know the answer. What motivates these people to commit such atrocities?
Who are you to condescendingly tell Americans what they " HAVE " to do ?
shareinnocent people are being slaughtered.
share@hownos
No amount of gun laws would have stopped this killer. Countries which have some of the strictest gun laws still have mass shootings. France for one. You have to get off the thinking the object being is at fault. It doesn’t work by itself!
Its the exception not the norm. You are never going to get to zero. Sadly the USA is not even trying. I love the USA and I think it is sad.
share@hownos
You still don’t get it. The guns are not the problem. It’s the people using them. You blame the gun but not the truck!
Guns are all too easy, because all one has to to is pick up the gun, aim it, and fire it at the person from a distance.
Guns are weapons of war that are designed and built to kill people, which they all too often do.
@mplo
Blame the object again...not the killer. Do you realize he was a pilot and could have used his plane as a weapon (already done) and taken out more lives? Would you then blame the plane....or the killer pilot?
You and others of like mind may be interested in the following article:
“Opinions
I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.1f7f44884fc0
the NRA wants to legalize silencers and armor piercing bullets - this is a criminal organization.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/silencers-armor-piercing-bullets-congress-looks-rollback-gun-laws-n806881
@hownos
I’m definitely against armor piercing ammo. No need for that type ammo.
I’m for reciprocity. We have a second amendment so therefore since I’ve taken the course for a concealed weapon, have obtained my weapons legally, I should be permitted to carry when crossing state lines.
As for silencers here’s a quote from a recent article:
“Suppressors are tricky when firing rapidly, as Stephen Paddock did in Vegas, because the heat generated by the weapon can cause them to literally melt. You can see this in vivid detail in this clip. And as a psychological matter, why would a mass murderer want a suppressor in the first place? The M.O. of these lunatics is to go out in a blaze of glory, avenging their felt grievances by inflicting pain on innocent people. If anything, I’d bet this sort of degenerate would prefer his gunshots to be *louder*, to cause more fear by extending the range of earshot.”
It comes from this article:
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/02/hillary-imagine-vegas-shooter-silencer/
Suppressor meltdown video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BczhT1ByrXA
As I’ve quoted before “A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.”
@hownos
Along with banning armor piercing ammo, I would agree to banning the “bump” stocks which modifies a semi-automatic into an automatic (military style) weapon. No need for those either.
As far as how many weapons a sane person has in the collection, I could give a rat’s patootie!
Not even trying ? Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws yet is basically the murder capital of the country.
shareThe fact is that people often get guns on the Black Market...inotherwords, illegally, which is also a huge problem. There are plenty of rogue gun-dealers/dealerships that should be shut down. That, too would be a good direction to go. That's another place where the implementation of stronger, more affective gun laws here in the United States overall, would be affective.
shareReally ? 🙄 Wow, I never would have known that if you hadn't enlightened me.
Why don't you run in the 2020 election then, since you seem to have such a superior grasp of the facts and solutions ? You might just be an " affective " candidate. 😆
Your sarcasm and nastiness is rather disgusting! Get lost, db20db!
share@mplo
I thought you might be interested in the following article.
The Las Vegas murderer had many other items to assist him in his carnage. He had compounds to make a bomb which when set off would react like napalm.
Napalm:
“Napalm is a flammable liquid used in warfare. It is a mixture of a gelling agent and either gasoline (petrol) or a similar fuel. It was initially used as an incendiary device against buildings and later primarily as an anti-personnel weapon, as it sticks to skin and causes severe burns when on fire.”
He had other rooms rented elsewhere overlooking other music festivals. He also was a pilot and could have taken out many more victims.
Listening to the news most have come to the conclusion no amount of new gun laws would have stopped this piece of garbage. I agree and so does the NRA in banning the “bump” stock which modified the semi-automatic to an automatic.
We had a horrendous case in Orlando where six people and a little dog in a house were massacred. The weapon? Not a gun....it was a baseball bat. Evildoers will use whatever is available to commit their carnage.
Edit: The news just reported he was planning to use a car bomb.
@thecritic
I’m biting my tongue to stop myself from writing what I really think of your inane post. At this time we don’t need your snide, snarky remarks which you think are funny. You threw a jab at the cops. These are the same cops who threw themselves on top of civilians to shield them. These are the same cops who directed people out of the line of fire then ran toward it. These are the same cops who lost some of their own.
Then you threw a jab at me and others who voted for Trump....it’s for sure getting old. But, you know it all....with your infinite wisdom. But, there is one thing you don’t know; you are the type who will never measure up to the people who were in that crowd. The country and western music crowd. They were civilians using their vehicles to transport the wounded. Civilians using their clothes to attempt to stop the bleeding. Civilians sticking their fingers in the wounds to act as a plug. People standing in line for hours to donate blood.
Yeah, you and your type who sit anonymously behind your computers, tablets, or phones and write such garbage....are real funny.
Well said.
share@Daggerboard
Thank you for your reply. I’ve been glued to the tv since the carnage occurred. I have shed tears over the horrendous act perpetrated on those poor souls. We are unable wrap our head around this guy’s thought process. We don’t understand the evil unless we are of like mind. I’m sure most of us are at a loss for words, we shake our heads, we ask “why”, but in the end we have no answers. What has happened to the psyche of those individuals? So, when I read remarks such as those which make light of the situation I get furious....and rightly so.
I've been likewise incensed by some of the internet low-lifes emerging from the woodwork with their incredibly shallow, inhuman comments in the aftermath of this tragedy.
shareIt's been a nightmare. It's sad some who comment are so full of hate, they can't control themselves. But compassion for others, as you have shown, speaks much louder than anything they can say or write.
shareHe (the shooter) was obviously a sick guy all around.
share@mplo
I prefer to use the word “evil”. He wasn’t sick;he was pure evil. We cannot fathom this type of evil unless we are of like mind. He was too meticulous;too ordered in mind to be sick.
He was both sick and evil. Often enough, in instances like this, sick and evil can and do shade into one another.
shareOf course we don’t have any “racists bigots” from the North. And according to another poster the insinuation is country and western music fans are racists bigots and a message was sent to southerners by targeting country music fans. I am at a loss for words over these ill timed whacked remarks. This poster has a knack for getting her/his true bigoted feelings out by deflecting them as coming from someone else. S/he is sly in her/his workings by getting other people’s posts deleted, but s/he is able to slither around and skirt the rules.
shareThere is a very moving video currently online depicting the concert goers raising their phones to display their lights and singing God Bless America in unison just an hour before the shooting started. And these people came from all parts of the country, even Canada. Sorry I can't provide the link but I'm sure a simple Google search will produce it quickly.
share@db20db
Thank you. I saw it on tv and it was quite moving. I’m going to do a search in an attempt to locate the video. Knowing what was about to occur, I thought of twinkling stars when looking at their cell phone lights shining heavenward. They weren’t aware some of them would be riding those “stars” away from this plane we call earth.🌟🌟🌟🌟
An especially poignant remark by one pundit stands out for me: " At the end of the night, there were 59 fewer lights. " ( paraphrased)
share@db20db
Wow! Definitely something to offset the unsavory remarks such as: “No empathy as they were most likely Republican” or “They were probably Trump voters” or “Country Western music fans so they have to be “racists bigots” as one poster alluded to.
Thanks for the info
He hates racists bigots from the south and considered country and western music fans to be racist bigots so he decided to send a message to southerners by targeting country music fans.
shareI really believe that he joined Isis and they brainwashed him and shot him up with so many drugs that he had no idea what he was doing,
even the craziest of the crazies would never do anything like what he did, where did he get all that money for the weapons and the hotel? and where did he actually get the weapons? he was financed by someone, and he was a sleeper till they needed him then planned everything, he didn't look that smart to pull that off the way he did.
It's been consistently reported that he was a multi-millionaire from real estate investments.
More details of his level of planning continue to emerge and boggle the minds of seasoned law enforcement experts.
I just watched the most recent news conference. The sheriff admitted a connection to Isis hasn't been completely dismissed.
No Paddock was a wealthy man and an avid high stakes gambler that would sometimes wage hundreds of dollars on a single hand of video poker. His brother showed the FBI a text msg from him saying that he won $250, 000 at a casino. He recently wired $100, 000 to someone, possibly his girlfriend, in the Philippines. He would go on cruises. He was a wealthy man.
His brother and neighbors said that Paddock acted normal.
The FBI also says that Poddock had no ties to any international terrorist organization. They have determined that Paddock was a lone wolf.
You can read more here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/03/us/las-vegas-shooting-live-updates.amp.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/03/as-las-vegas-grieves-investigators-struggle-to-piece-together-the-motives-behind-shooting/
I don't know what made him snap. Maybe he disliked country music fans. Who the he'll knows but as time goes on the FBI will uncover more about this guy.
shareMaybe he was fed up with people in general because all people do is use others so he wanted to get back at humanity by taking out as many people as he could before killing himself.
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