Do you ever wounder why some people are even employed? - General Discussion Discussion

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

...or the electoral college put them on that job for some insane reason.

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[–] thecritic (191) 7 years ago

LOL good one, I guess the whole country is just insane in general, stupid is as stupid does

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

And...who made you Obi-Wan Kenobi? BTW, I'm not stupid!

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[–] Volley (3433) 7 years ago

New York City and California do not dictate who becomes President. This country is made up of 50 states, the District of Columbia, and several territories. Each state has a say.

Heaven forbid the man creates jobs, defeats ISIS, and secures the border.

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[–] [email protected] (690) 7 years ago

Funny you would say that ... "Heaven forbid ... "
So if Trump's an idiot and screws everything up Royally -- did Heaven forbid it?
Are the Far Right getting this Jack-wad Joker elected going to be held responsible?
I'm disgusted HRC can be openly pilloried by some sources, for little evidence, while we are supposed to tolerate this billionaire narcissist babble nonsense and call it Life In The USA today.

Reagan created a permanent Underclass. Dubya created an Endless War. What the hell are R-pubs proud of?
. I don't understand why anyone would be proud of being on the Wrong Wing -- unless it's just to denigrate other people
Yes the good ol' days of KKKlan meetings aren't that old at all. Enjoy your day in the Sun R-pubs, while this country goes downhill

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[–] croft_alice (12180) 7 years ago

I have all of them in my country...nothing new😉

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[–] R_Kane (15828) 7 years ago

There's an old saying: "Pay peanuts, get monkeys." Many of the mouth-breathing troglodytes you describe have their job at Target or Best Buy or McDonalds simply because their qualification is being willing to work for 8 bucks an hour (and be treated like shit by both customers and managers).

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[–] godewey (16472) 7 years ago

I just got my promotion to Jr. 3rd Shift assistant supervisor in training in menswear last week.
I know what you mean.
The trogs are the worst, aren't they.

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[–] R_Kane (15828) 7 years ago

You deserve so much better, Dewey, my friend, and you will have better. You and I, and everybody else) needs to have money to stay alive; but what we do for money today does not necessarily define us. As my Master taught me, " Keep your direction, while dealing with your situation." I believe, based on what you have shown me, that your direction far surpasses your current situation. Blessed be.

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[–] godewey (16472) 7 years ago

RK, I hope you know I value and respect your opinion and advice.

I was by no means trying to devalue anybody or anything.

Having said this I was joking. I do have a sense of humor that can be hard to detect.
So I've been told by everybody.
I appreciate your assessment of me and agree. As do most people I'm sure. :)

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[–] R_Kane (15828) 7 years ago

Blessed be, my friend. Let my love be wrapped

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[–] MinaVladimir (4081) 7 years ago

Well with that attitude it's no wonder us "mouth-breathing troglodytes" aren't too keen on giving you the very best our inhalently challenged, cave dwelling selves can offer.

There is no demotivator greater than the general customer and their lack of manners, common courtesy or basic reasoning ability.

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[–] R_Kane (15828) 7 years ago

Mina, I think you have misunderstood me. I was not speaking as a customer. I was speaking as someone who has been in retail sales for nearly 16 years, at every level from Circuit City/Best Buy to the stratosphere of specialty high-end custom consumer audio, to my current position at New England's busiest BMW dealership. If you work in retail, or in food service, I am one of you; because, before retail per se, I was in hospitality. You are right that customers, including bespoke, luxury, high-end and big-spending customers, can be condescending, bully-wannabe assholes. What I was talking about was the appalling level of immaturity, unprofessionalism and incompetence that one finds among one's alleged peers and management at a Best Buy (where I served 8 1/2 years' time) or a Target or a Rite-Aid. If you are a sales professional today, working in a mass-market kind of outlet, most of the staff and management with whom you work make your skin crawl. They are lazy, uncaring, vacuous, inattentive, full-on vulga? obnoxious, self-centered, completely unaware and bereft of people skills. To repeat and to emphasize: I am not speaking as a customer. I am speaking as one who spent too many years working among, observing, and saving sales for, these unprofessional hacks and their managers. If you are one of the few sales professionals left in the mass market or otherwise, my remarks never applied to you, a vanishing breed; but my respect does apply.

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[–] MinaVladimir (4081) 7 years ago

The way you expressed that was slightly dehumanising, R_Kane. Yes, most people do the bare minimum to skate by. But I've encountered that in other places, not just the "hospitality" /used very broadly/ sector. It does bother me as well, but I really think that's just people in general.

The whole environment isn't very stimulating, unless you're the kind of person who would do a job properly regardles of what that job is. And if the result is the same whether you do or don't, what's the point in trying, right?

Anyway, sorry I went off on you, but such descriptions of people get me angry.

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

Perhaps all of the above, and some employers are desperate?

😎

"I Am the FBI."

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[–] R_Kane (15828) 7 years ago

They're not desperate. They're greedy, cynical assholes. With the vast majority of the human race being such feckless, feeble dimwits, ripe for the plucking as wage slaves, they are not desperate at all.

And I think that this situation is profoundly sad.

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

Well okay then.

😎

"I Am the FBI."

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[–] thecritic (191) 7 years ago

Agreed. I mean you have to be a massive piece of trash in the first place to work at these min wage jobs. Like dumb enough to accept abuse. And dumb enough to act the way you do to customers/get fired. Seen it happen time and time again.

But also I was referring to a-hole nurses and doctors. Even high up jobs they have their collection of trash.

You get in what you put out. That being said I've seen people who are good at their job, rare, but it happens. I feel sorry for these people. They mostly end up quitting these trash jobs and move onto better since they can. Another thing that bothers me is why they treat GOOD workers like trash? Good help is hard to find, yet they just abuse away. Seen this happen to, I've seen a lot of managers, hell BOSSES get fired for their abuse.

Is it ego, are they jealous of their good employee? I mean I don't get it, you should be happy that you have a good worker to make YOU look good. They fail, you do too idiot boss! I mean a job/company/etc...you are a team. I honestly think it's partly to do with mental illness on the part of the boss. Since it makes zero sense, since even the boss gets hurt as a result.

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[–] napsdufroid (2077) 7 years ago

"you have to be a massive piece of trash in the first place to work at these min wage jobs"

So, let me get this straight; you just made a blanket statement that anyone working a minimum-wage job is a "massive piece of trash."

And you want people to take you seriously?

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

Wow! You definitely got up on the wrong side of the bed. What in the blazes got your knickers in a wad?

"you have to be a massive piece of trash in the first place to work at these min wage jobs"

How dare you? My first jobs were at these type places. I wasn't and have never been a "massive piece of trash"! FYI, these are entry level jobs or after school jobs for students or for people who need extra cash. They aren't meant to be lifetime employment unless there are plans for management then ownership. No hamburger flipper is worth $15 per hr.

Did you ever stop to think maybe the root cause of low wages and high unemployment outside the fast food business is our open border policy? Of course employers will pay the lower wage if there are people willing to work for the lower wages. People used to get Green Cards to cross the border, pick our crops, etc. then return home. Now they are the plumbers, the roofers, the electricians; they have the blue collar and white collar jobs.

With your attitude and that massive chip on your shoulder I'm sure you will do well in the work force.

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[–] Popcorn Kernel (2368) 7 years ago

People working minimum wage jobs are not trash. I actually think there are more rude people in high paying prestige jobs than in service jobs. I try to be extra nice to fast food workers because they don't make a lot and too many people treat them like shit. Usually if you are nice, and say please and thank you and smile, you will get treated well in return.

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

I agree Popcorn. I believe you usually get back what you give out. I have been on both sides. Dealing with the public is no easy task. And with today's mores having gone downhill with F-you in so many people's vocabulary, you couldn't pay me to be behind the counter. I've seen cashiers in tears and have interjected myself into the fray by berating the offender. Damn jerks!

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[–] R_Kane (15828) 7 years ago

I agree, as well.

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[–] DarkKnight (262) 7 years ago

Cheap labor, mostly.

Employers/Corporations love to hire workers who will work for little pay, and little to no benefits.

This includes drug addicts, illegal immigrants, ex cons ect.....

Why hire someone trustworthy when you can hire one of above?

These workers can easily be replaced if a worker gets fired or quits, so no worries there.

Saves costs in the long run, plus it means the bosses/CEOs will be able to give themselves a big raise.

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[–] thecritic (191) 7 years ago

The only benefit to hiring ignorant people is they are easy to take advantage of. I.e. make them work on their breaks, steal from their pay checks, keep expectations low, etc...

I mean why not hire a desperate college student? They are desperate too but at least you are not giving a job to someone that does not deserve it. You can easily replace college kids too, so many of them!

Only reason maybe they don't hire college kids with a future is that maybe they will report all the illegal things going on in the business?

And in higher up jobs they don't hire qualified people since it's a threat to their own job maybe? Promotion wise?

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[–] DarkKnight (262) 7 years ago

They won't hire college kids because college kids will leave once a good job opportunity arrives.

It's true that workers can be replaced, but they still want workers who will be in it for the long run.

They want to keep the gravy train rolling for as long as possible.

It's simply corporate greed at it's finest.

Employers also won't hire grads fresh out of college because they want applicants with "years of experience".

They know 50+ people will be applying for the position, so they go with the person with the most experience of the bunch.

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[–] napsdufroid (2077) 7 years ago

Employers also won't hire grads fresh out of college because they want applicants with "years of experience".

Actually, they often will, because they can pay them a whole lot less.

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

I agree with Napster. Employers do hire fresh college grads for the lower pay. Why shouldn't they? The new kid on the block should have to work his/her way up to advancement. Most firms have a 90 day employment trial. If the job is done well the grad keeps the job with a pay increase. This is called "Getting your foot in the door."

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[–] Kazak (2187) 7 years ago

I'm more likely to wounder [sic] why the conservative voice in America hasn't been shouted down yet.

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

Why should we be shouted down....because the liberal/socialist voices have done so well in the bankrupted, high tax EU countries?

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[–] Kazak (2187) 7 years ago

What is the polar opposite of progress?

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[–] napsdufroid (2077) 7 years ago

Ksp, don't go there. Please. Virtually all our current economic troubles can be traced to ronnie "I forget" reyguns. That's been proved countless times

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

This is where I take my own advice and "back away". We will just have to agree to disagree. In other words....whatever floats your boat. But, I will state this before backing away. You need to factor in Reagan had a Democrat controlled House for both terms. Also, a Minority Controlled Republican Senate until the last two years when they lost the Senate outright.

No, the down slide started in the Johnson years when he lied and expanded the Vietnam War plus the worst boondoggle to ever be put upon the American people....The Great Society Program. Nothing has changed for the better. Same amount of poverty, more of the entitlement mentality, cradle to grave takeover by government. The ones who got the shaft from this great program? The Middle Class who went to work everyday, who didn't pop one kid out after another, not having a father in the home or at least in the kids lives. Not having a different one for each kid. This is what the Great Society Program did for this country. Bill Clinton at least had the country back on the rails with the Welfare to Work program. Guess who undid it all...the Community Organizer from Chicago who took us back 50 years plus made things worse. The Community Organizer who protested banks for not willy-nilly handing out mortgages. After all everyone is entitled to own a home whether you can afford it or not. He and his group threatened loan institutions by enforcing the CRA. "The Community Reinvestment Act is intended to encourage depository institutions to help meet the credit needs of the communities in which they operate, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods, consistent with safe and sound operations." The beginning of the housing crisis. No income info needed, no tax returns for the last two years, no nothing to check if you are a viable candidate for a mortgage. Just "Can you make these payments? If so, sign on the dotted line." "Congratulations, you now are a home owner!" In a year or two the house is in foreclosure.

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[–] napsdufroid (2077) 7 years ago

Sad you actually believe that, ksp.

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

Yeah, I do. Truth is in the facts which can be researched. I've lived it and lost from it. I don't have that much time left on this earth, but my grandkids are going to be worse off than my generation. The "Change" done to this country by the Community Organizer is unforgivable. The police officer who responded to our call the other evening reminded me of events which had taken place over those "Change" years. As he was departing, I remarked to him "At least you now have a president who doesn't hate the police." He smiled in agreement.

FYI, as far as I'm concerned, to be truthful all the elite Republicans can sink in the swamp they helped create. "We can't pass anything unless we have all three branches of government. Harry Reid is stopping us. Obama is stopping us. Give us the Presidency and we will undo what Obama did." What a bunch of do nothings they are. Where's that Repeal & Replace Plan we heard about for seven damn years! Yes, they can sink in that swamp for all I care!

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[–] napsdufroid (2077) 7 years ago

I don't know what kind of research of so-called facts you've done, ksp. But to simply blame Obama for everything you're blaming him for is, simply, completely incorrect. But for some reason you feel you need to make him the scapegoat. Every president has screwed up with things, but to say Obama created the economic problem...nope. Suggest you do some research on St. Ronnie I Forget. At least you acknowledge that many repubs are at fault as well.

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

I really didn't want to belabor this, but it started with Johnson. You can't blame Reagan when the House & Senate were controlled by the Dems. I do blame Reagan for one thing...signing the unfair EITC. A pure give away of tax dollars to those who milk the system. What kind of nonsense was that anyway? You didn't earn the money, but if you did this is what you would have paid in taxes so therefore you get a tax refund. Huh? And I do blame Obama for what he did to me, my husband and all the others like us. I blame him for the cuts in Medicare which is one of the biggest scams ever dumped on us. But, we have no choice we have to be part of the scam. You would not believe the coverage which has been cut since Obamacare took effect. I blame him for setting race relations back 50 years. I blame him for the Black Lives Matter rioters. I blame him for the assault on our police. The blood is on his shoes. Don't you realize by now he detests authority be it LE, the military and he definitely doesn't like "Whitey". Someone cannot be a member of the radical church he attended and not have those beliefs. A Black Liberation Theology is the belief leading to Black Nationalism.

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[–] napsdufroid (2077) 7 years ago

Most of our financial woes started with Ronnie I forget. Sorry, but they did. But I can see you want to blame democrats for everything and demonize Obama as the scapegoat, and that's OK for you because it toes it all up in a nice neat anti-dem package.. You're also applying something that affected you negatively -- and if you research you'll know why -- as a blanket. A lot of people were helped by Obamacare, too, and no, far from only those who are sponging off the system. No point discussing this further. Let's talk about less inflammatory things. We'll see what kind of healthcare the imbecile comes up with, as he keeps promising.

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

If you notice I don't call Obama disparaging names. I'm going to inform you about circumstances that I personally know about. Maybe some were helped, but at the expense of others. I know people who can get any type of healthcare they need at no cost to them as they are on disibility. Others who have the most basic of insurance and work are denied certain tests and meds. My granddaughter had surgery for a pituitary tumor a few years ago. She also has a severe bladder condition. She is supposed to have an MRI/CatScan once a year and has been prescribed a med for her bladder. Her low cost Ocare won't cover either and she can't afford to pay. So, Napster, tell me how Ocare has helped her. Huh? Are you aware a person who has a low oxygen level below 95% could qualify for supplemental oxygen under Medicare before Obamacare. I witnessed an elderly person struggling to breathe. I encouraged her to see her doctor to request oxygen. One morning she was in distress and needed to go to the ER. Instead she visited her doctor who informed her the level was between 90%-92%. She requested the oxygen, but was told since Obamacare the level has to be 85%! In other words one must suffocate!

Napster, Obamacare has hurt more people than it's helped. I don't get a yearly physical any longer. I and others in our age group could have cancer or some other disease. We get a Wellcare check...which are vitals checked. We had good retirement coverage, but that changed as we could no longer afford it. I don't have drug coverage any longer since Obamacare. Also, people may or may not qualify for Ocare, but they can't afford the premiums for decent coverage or it doesn't kick in until an outrageous deductible has been met. 'nuff said!

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[–] napsdufroid (2077) 7 years ago

Actually you do call Obama disparaging names; you refer to him as the community organizer, and the sneer and disdain in those words when you use it is palpable. And by blaming him for BLM and setting back race relations, you're kinda calling him a racist in a backhand way. I call el trumpo an idiot because I honestly consider him one just as I considered dubya one. Just being accurate.

I never said Obamacare was even close to perfect, but it was a step in the right direction; maybe if it had been embraced by the repubs as a work in progress, it could've been improved. But no; it was demonized from day one. An effort needs to be put forth to curb the greed of the insurance companies, something congress has never done. I'm sorry, but what existed prior to Ocare was basically "You can afford it? Great. You can't? Sorry; die or suffer." The country needs a total tear-down and build-back of its healthcare system so all Americans can afford it. But as long as the "greed is good" mantra (which Ronnie I Forget started and encouraged) pervades US businesses, insurance firms included, nothing will happen. We may change to another plan, but those who cannot afford it will still get screwed.

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[–] kittensandpuppies (164) 7 years ago

Excellent post, kspkap!!

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[–] db20db (17235) 7 years ago

It is, "lucid " as usual. 😁

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

And Thank you, also. 😉

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

Thank you!

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

The housing bubble started popping before Obama even ran for President! It's roots go back to Clinton and even prior to him. But the real problem was how the mortgage companies were trying to sell and shift debt around.

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

The CRA was in the works before Clinton (the community organizers pushing the banks to loan) but it sort of was put on the back burner. Bush even pushed it. Granted, the damage was done before O became president. But, it all goes back to him and the other race war lords who forced the banks to loan.

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[–] napsdufroid (2077) 7 years ago

Interesting reading:

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/who-caused-the-economic-crisis/

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

It's something that never would have happened in an anarcho-capitalist society.

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

Thank you, also. I learned something new today. An anarcho-capitalist society reads somewhat how past societies governed. From what I just researched I think I could be interested in a minarchist society like Ayn Rand had in mind.

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

One interesting thing about anarchism itself is that it's always there, it's unavoidable. If various national governments are estabilshed, the anarchism is simply raised up to the nation level, as there is no greater governing body that has dominion over them. Thus, disputes at the national level often spill over into fights, AKA war. Governments also easily become the local warlords that are warned about in discussions of anarchism.

Nation-states, with their resource-pooling and armies, are basically a cold war between separates societies, just like nukes. "If those people over there have a government with an army, we need to have one too or else we are vulnerable to being taken over by them."

People like to make governments, and I don't blame them. There is some good to be had. As a TRUE anarchist, I would never seek to impose my will on others by taking their government away. As long as I can refuse to participate to a rational degree, I'm happy. I consider taxes to be nothing more than the cost of using the public infrastructure, and I treat the government like a big corporation that monopolizes the land I live in and uses that monopoly to force people to pay for its services. It's annoying, but I can certainly live comfortably within that framework.

At least it's not like Australia where you're forced to vote or else face a fine... And they don't even offer a Vote Of No Confidence when it comes to electing leaders, meaning you HAVE to pick one of the candidates. That's just absurd. If you're gonna force votes, then one of the options needs to be a vote for none of the available candidates. I'm not sure if their voting law extends to all things including local initiatives and such.

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

For true? You have to vote in Aussie land? I learned something else this evening. I do have to admit I have to read your posts and Napster's several times due to first glance the words zoom over my head! I find myself doing more research than I wish to at this stage in my life. But, truth be told I'm fascinated by the intelligent posts so therefore I need to seek out the facts.
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Fact check:
an·ar·chist: a person who believes in or tries to bring about anarchy.
synonyms: nihilist, insurgent, agitator, subversive, terrorist, revolutionary, revolutionist, insurrectionist

This is how you see yourself?

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

Interesting... Seems that mandatory voting is more common than I thought, although still not TOO common:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_voting

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

This is how you see yourself?

I only fit with "a person who believes in" anarchy. The "or tries to bring about" does not fit me.

The synonyms given are due to propaganda against the very concept itself, really, and misuse of the term "anarchist." It's understandable that it gets a negative view, though.

FYI, all the synonyms following "nihilist" are actually closer to being synonyms for "nihilist" itself... Except maybe "revolutionary, revolutionist."

I am a follower of anarchism at its purest, as a political (or rather, "apolitical") philosophy. At its purest, it simply means that I believe we would be fine without official governments.

And like I said, even with governments and nations, there is still anarchy. There is anarchy at the top levels, between nations, and there is anarchy between people on the street every time they interact without government presence (which is most of the time).

There is no way to "bring about" anarchy, all one can do is topple governments, which is destructive and forceful. Anarchy is just a natural thing that happens on its own. It is the default, it is the ultimate reality. Even governments can break laws and morals, even government officials are fallible humans who can and often do abuse power. That is proof that government is nothing special.

I'm going to have to read some William Godwin, he and I seem to think alike.

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

Thank you; it is interesting reading.

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[–] BillHicksFan (10559) 7 years ago

Nepotism, quid pro quo... ass-kissers and other conformists.

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[–] MissMargoChanning (6630) 7 years ago

I don't "wounder".
I do wonder why more people AREN'T employed.
Look.... I am just going by the topic here. You lost me in your post. It seemed to be a bit.... all over the place?

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[–] GlenEllyn (21526) 7 years ago

Agreed. I got lost and never did understand OP's point.

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[–] MissMargoChanning (6630) 7 years ago

Thank goodness that I am not the only one! I thought that I had missed something in a senior moment. I didn't mean to be rude.

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

You made me chuckle! :) I'm so where you are, but lately the senior (ugh!) moments are occurring more frequently. Now what was this thread about? 🤔🙄😳

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[–] MissMargoChanning (6630) 7 years ago

What WAS this thread about?

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[–] GlenEllyn (21526) 7 years ago

Ya know, I think the OP may have had a recent bad experience with a service industry person. I also think there's some stereotyping going on, too.

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[–] MissMargoChanning (6630) 7 years ago

You may be right. That is what this sounds like. The OP could have put it better, but I can understand the frustration. I think we all have had our experiences with a bad waiter/waitress, a rude sales person, telemarketers???
I suppose the thing to do is to put yourself in their shoes. Dealing with the public isn't always easy. I remember those types of jobs.

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[–] Catbookss (13664) 7 years ago

"Ya know, I think the OP may have had a recent bad experience with a service industry person. I also think there's some stereotyping going on, too."

Ye took the words right out of my head. That's exactly what I think is going on.

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[–] GlenEllyn (21526) 7 years ago

Thank you. My other takeaway is that OP thinks some people don't deserve a job.

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[–] Catbookss (13664) 7 years ago

I got that too. Also that the OP could do with exercising empathy.

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

I think it was about a guy who detests working "slobs" (massive pieces of trash) who are doing what they are qualified for at the moment. Entry level workers who may be working hard to earn a better place in the future work force. It's about a guy who has absolutely no empathy for the person behind the counter. I feel for the person who has to serve him. Yikes!

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[–] MissMargoChanning (6630) 7 years ago

AMEN!

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[–] db20db (17235) 7 years ago

Yeah, but you're remarkably lucid and articulate for your age. I once had an elderly neighbor who absolutely amazed me. She was in her 90's, looked like she was in her 70's, lived alone, was self-sufficient, still drove. She could carry on a much better conversation than many young people.

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[–] GlenEllyn (21526) 7 years ago

L😆L! "Lucid" totally cracked me up. I don't know why - maybe it's the drink I just had. Life is good. Cheers!

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[–] db20db (17235) 7 years ago

Wow! Glad I was able to catapult you into such a boisterous party-mode on a Saturday night. 😁

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

Please send some this way. It would be nice.

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[–] MissMargoChanning (6630) 7 years ago

Most of us oldies are goodies when it comes to carrying on a conversation. Most of us can finish a conversation..... provided the other person isn't holding a phone.

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

My beloved mom was one of those people. Hard working all her life coming from a Polish family who immigrated here not too many years before Mom was born in 1920, the baby of seven kids. All they knew was hard work. My grandparents never spoke English, but they didn't ask the US acquiesce to their needs...printing voting ballots in Polish, etc. They lived quietly, worked and assimilated into our culture. They were grateful to be living in this wonderful country. They didn't wave their home country flags and demand Polish be spoken in the schools, businesses, etc. My grandfather was a carpenter who worked on the Empire State Building and other large NYC buildings.

Mom worked until the age of 70, but she didn't stop. She walked every morning, drove to the shopping mall every Saturday (her favorite was the original J.C. Penney) and went on trips with groups. I recall growing up she rarely missed work no matter how ill she was. She did a full days work at home before going to her paid job. Washing clothes, hanging them outside on the clothesline, cleaning, vacuuming, ironing, and whatever needed to be done. When she returned home at 4:30 PM she started dinner before going upstairs to change into her duster. Dad wanted dinner on the table at 5:00PM. Her last job was in a bank where she worked for over 30 years. She had worked there for nine years before she did miss work due to being very ill. The bank sent flowers because they knew if Helen wasn't there....she was ill.

I wish I was half the wonderful human being my mom was. Always a smile for someone, a gentle soul....

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

@db20db

If you're referring to me as the one who is lucid. I'm the one who this week made a 9" x 13" ceramic casserole full to the brim of man & cheese for two old sarts! Two people! That's being lucid? I'm so sick of mac & cheese...I eat it for breakfast. I eat it for lunch and for dinner? You guessed it...mac & cheese. Lucid? Yep! That's me. I really do wonder about myself....

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[–] db20db (17235) 7 years ago

Yes, your posts are very much so, considering your age. What's with this sudden reaction to the word lucid I'm getting here ? I had to deal with a parent with serious dementia. That's why I can appreciate clarity of mind in the elderly when I encounter it.

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

Sorry, we were just making light of everything. I appreciate your circumstances. How old was your parent? Were there early signs? My lifelong friend is dealing with her husband who is getting worse everyday. It's taking her down as she has severe medical issues herself.

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[–] kittensandpuppies (164) 7 years ago

I'm sorry but your typos cracked me up!😂
Casserole full to the brim of MAN & cheese for two old SARTS!

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

Oh, good grief! I didn't notice the MAN in the cheese. If only it was true for one last good romp! I purposely typed "sarts" to show my genteel side. Yeah, right!

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[–] kittensandpuppies (164) 7 years ago

Gotcha!😉

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[–] db20db (17235) 7 years ago

That IS funny, ironically so and I'm embarrassed I missed it. Ok, I renege on the lucidity comment. 😆

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[–] kspkap (13555) 7 years ago

Lordy me...man & cheese! I definitely missed it! And you can continue to think of me being "lucid" as it makes my day.:) It proves the "little gray cells" (Poirot) are still working....most of the time anyways. "Man" & cheese...🤓

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[–] db20db (17235) 7 years ago

Ok, we all have our " brain farts " at times. 😉

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