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Your new Secretary of State


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Muslims rejoice, they'll get rid of Hamas for good. Free Palestine dissenters, BWAHAHAHA! That's what happens when you don't vote or vote 3rd party. Man, these idiots I tells ya. Oh well, some people learn the hard way as will those who voted for Trump if he doesn't keep his promise and just makes scambros richer.

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Seriously, wayyy too obsessed.

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You're more obsessed with me than anything.

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Nope, just making sure people know you're not American, and have a foreign agenda...

Remember, debate is for the audience not the debater.

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Regardless of President or vice-president, the country will keep bowing to I**ael's interests. That’s to be taken for granted. Trump had recognized Jerusalem as I**ael's capital during his first term. Still, I think he will at last bring about a ceasefire in Gaza and Lebanon.

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Yeah. We can't expect too much from a Trump administration when it comes reining in Israeli perfidy. The (((tentacles))) are too deep in our government.

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Already hearing that some pro-Pal voters got buyers remorse over Trump. *shrugs* Be careful what you wish for.

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America would have had way more buyers remorse with Harris.

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Don't forget a vaccine-sceptic Kennedy as his Health Secretary. And Matt Gaetz, who among other things, was at the center of a sex trafficking investigation as his Attorney General. Oh the fun has already started...

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No one was against vaccines, they were against vaccine mandates. Two totally different things you liar.

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No one was against vaccines.... liar


During his presidential campaign, Kennedy developed a national profile for his criticism of the Covid vaccines and childhood immunizations. He has claimed that vaccines are tied to autism, despite evidence conveyed through studies over decades that have disproven such a claim.


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The blowback was against the far left shaming, cancelling and firing anyone who didn’t believe in vaccine mandates. I thought the left was the party of “my body my choice”? Guess that door only swings one way.

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I have shown one of the spurious claims Kennedy made,

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When asked if there were any safe and effective vaccines on the market, Kennedy told podcaster Lex Fridman, there are "no" vaccines in that category. Fridman pushed Kennedy on the polio vaccine—which is widely considered one of the other greatest medical advances of the 20th century and has been estimated to save more than 1.5 million lives and prevented paralysis in more than 20 million children—but Kennedy suggested the vaccine killed more people than it saved.

Daniel Havlichek, the former chief of Michigan State University's division of infectious diseases, previously told Newsweek, "I am concerned that [Kennedy] lacks even marginal scientific and public health training. This would lead to public health decisions based on his hunch about what to do. This is not good policy."

QED.

Your description of the mandates is interesting but irrelevant to my original comment, thank you anyway.

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My description of mandates is not irrelevant, you are spreading lies and disinformation and you need to be held accountable.

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My description of mandates is not irrelevant,


I have quoted RFK on vaccines not the mandate, so it is.

What 'lies and disinformation' am I spreading exactly? And is being 'held responsible' a threat? LOL

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No it’s not a threat, it’s common sense, you are a conspiracy theories and you are spreading disinformation. You didn’t quote RFK on anything you just said what you claim he said which is hearsay.

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No it’s not a threat


Good as with that you sound quite triggered, maybe you should find a safe space.

you are a conspiracy theories (sic)


Which conspiracy theory have I mentioned ?

you are spreading disinformation


Such as? That Kennedy is a Anti-vaxxer? That is a fact. One reason, I suspect why Trump has employed him. Note I have not said there was no controversy over the mandate.

You didn’t quote RFK on anything you just said what you claim he said which is hearsay.


You have not set a very high bar:

Kennedy has made his opposition to vaccines clear. In July, Kennedy said in a podcast interview that “There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective” . In associating vaccines and autism Kennedy appearing on the “Joe Rogan Experience” podcast in 2023, with Kennedy saying: “I bet that you’ve never met anybody with full-blown autism your age. You know, head banging, football or helmet on, non-toilet-trained, nonverbal. I mean, I’ve never met anybody like that my age. But in my kids’ age now one in every 34 kids has autism and half of those are full-blown, meaning that description.”

He told FOX News that he still believes in the long-ago debunked idea that vaccines can cause autism. In a 2021 podcast he urged people to “resist” CDC guidelines on when kids should get vaccines. “I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, better not get them vaccinated,” Kennedy said.

That same year, in a video promoting an anti-vaccine sticker campaign by his nonprofit, Kennedy appeared onscreen next to one sticker that declared “IF YOU’RE NOT AN ANTI-VAXXER YOU AREN’T PAYING ATTENTION.”

Kennedy also wrote a story co-published in 2005 by Rolling Stone and Salon in which he incorrectly claimed that the preservative thimerosal — used to prevent contamination of vaccine vials — was linked to the “epidemic of childhood neurological disorders.” Salon later retracted the story, citing concerns about its accuracy...




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You keep making this absurd claims yet won’t post any evidence of any such thing. You sound like a butthurt loser and now you’re trying to undermine democracy.

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yet won’t post any evidence of any such thing


You asked for quotes from the great man; I just gave them and more facts, Not much else I can do is there?

RFK: "There’s no vaccine that is, safe and effective."

you’re trying to undermine democracy.


In what way? By holding govt officials to account?

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You provided a post where you state that he said that. That’s hearsay, how do I know you’re telling the truth?

You are trying to undermine democracy, Trump won fair and square, you should respect his victory and unite around him. You are trying to undermine his presidency which is UnAmerican.

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You provided a post where you state that he said that.


And then, just to assuage your doubts I directly quoted him. He said it, specifically, on episode of Lex Fridman’s podcast from July 2023, Kennedy said that “some of the live virus vaccines are probably averting more problems than they’re causing,” when asked if he can “name any vaccines that” he thinks “are good.” “There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective,” Kennedy continued. Now it is certainly true that RFK has since tried to explain this away but that is what he said then.

More of his debunked nonsense here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mzk2y41zvo

You are trying to undermine democracy, Trump won fair and square, you should respect his victory and unite around him.


Nowhere have I denied that his latest victory ought not to respected, only his choice of appointments. Also, I am not American, so I have need to 'unite' with him.

You are trying to undermine his presidency which is UnAmerican.


You mean like forming an insurrection and storming the capitol if I don't agree with the result?

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You didn’t provide any evidence he said it, you just said he said it. That isn’t proof numbskull, that’s hearsay.

You’re damn right you need to respect his latest victory. This was a huge moment for the country and it was the moment where we finally have a chance to get the country heading back in the right direction and away from the disaster of Kamala and Brandon.

There was no insurrection at the capitol you idiot. It was a mostly peaceful protest that had a couple of morons in it that broke a few windows. Kamala however actively encouraged over 500 violent BLM insurrections during the “Summer of Love” and she incited 2 assassination attempts on President Trump and called for violence in her pathetic concession speech.

Trump has turned the page on Jan. 6, it’s a dead issue, by constantly complaining about it you are only exposing your own immaturity.

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You didn’t provide any evidence he said it, you just said he said it. That isn’t proof ... that’s hearsay.


But then I offered sources and quotes. Didn't you notice that?

numbskull


Now you just sound tetchy.

You’re damn right you need to respect his latest victory. This was a huge moment for the country
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I think so too, but probably not in the way you mean... I wonder how a vaccine denier and potential sex trafficker will work out in the health and attorney general's departments respectively?

There was no insurrection at the capitol you idiot. It was a mostly peaceful protest
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Yeah, right LOL

https://www.britannica.com/event/January-6-U-S-Capitol-attack

that had a couple of morons in it who broke a few windows


Yeah right again..

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/36-months-jan-6-attack-capitol-0

Kamala however actively encouraged over 500 violent BLM insurrections ... she incited 2 assassination attempts on President Trump [blah]


Hey, remember what you said, just above, about hearsay? I do.


Trump has turned the page on Jan. 6, it’s a dead issue, by constantly complaining about it you are only exposing your own immaturity.


You mean like calling it a 'steal' for years ?

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You said that the quote was in a news source, you didn’t provide actual proof of him saying that. Derp Derp.

And quit with your fear mongering, no one in the Trump administration is a “potential sex trafficker”, heck the left loves sex traffickers, that’s why they allowed them to come in unvetted through the Southern Border and that’s why they were so quick to denounce Sound of Freedom as a “Q’Anon conspiracy theory”. Sex traffickers are a very prominent voting demographic for the Democrat Party.

We as American citizens have a right to know that our votes actually counted. The left in 2020 had no interest in assuring us that an obviously suspicious election was actually fair. Heck 10 million Democrat voters magically appeared in 2020 and then magically disappeared in 2024. Multiple voting precincts all of a sudden stopped counting votes in the middle of the night then in the morning they all of a sudden discovered hundreds of thousands of ballots and 100% of them were for Brandon and Kamala. The left brought 1/6 on themselves.

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You said that the quote was in a news source, you didn’t provide actual proof of him saying that.


I have given the date and name of the podcast and have literally quoted what he said. What more can I do? It is something widely covered by news outlets btw. You sound a little desperate.

no one in the Trump administration is a “potential sex trafficker”,


Matt Gaetz, Trump’s pick for attorney general, had been a subject of a sex trafficking investigation, never finally settled, and now it looks like the details of the investigation are being suppressed. Sorry about that.

an obviously suspicious election


And by complaining about it still you and your ilk are only exposing your own immaturity...

10 million Democrat voters magically appeared in 2020 and then magically disappeared in 2024


If the final results do show that millions of fewer votes were cast for the Democratic candidate for President in 2024 than in 2020, what that indicates is that millions of voters made a decision not to cast a ballot, either not turn out at all, or not check the top contest. It is normal for voter turnout to fluctuate from election to election. Election denial is antidemocratic. As for your other claims, you offer no sources, just what looks like hearsay, while one inevitably recalls the 60 odd legal challenges brought by Trump last time - practically all of which were thrown out for lack of merit. Something, as I say, some have constantly complained about.

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Asking you to provide proof for your claims is desperate? You need some kind of remedial course is logic 101.

He’s not a sex trafficker, you’re just butthurt over the results and now you’re making stuff up as a coping mechanism. It’s really pathetic.

Show me where I complained about the 2020 election??? Balls in your court. I did not complain about it, I did not say it was stolen, I said I understood why Trump was saying it was stolen because there was a ton of reasonable doubt available.

I didn’t make a claim, I didn’t say the 2020 election was stolen, I said that it’s beyond suspicious that 10 million Democrat voters all of a sudden showed up to vote for Brandon and now seem to have disappeared. You need to take some kind of remedial reading comprehension 101 course.

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Asking you to provide proof for your claims is desperate?


No, refusing to accept what I provided is. I ask again: what more could I do?

He’s not a sex trafficker,


That is why I said potential sex trafficker. Of course it will be easier to tell if the report is not suppressed. One wonders why it is likely to be. If positions were reversed, I am sure you would be claiming conspiracy and deep state corruption. Yes you would,

Show me where I complained about the 2020 election??


I actually said that election was something "some have constantly complained about. " i.e. not you in particular, even though you did say "10 million Democrat voters magically appeared in 2020 and then magically disappeared in 2024.. The left in 2020 had no interest in assuring us that an obviously suspicious election was actually fair. "

Which doesn't sounds like a complaint, against the 'left'.

ton of reasonable doubt available.


None of which was found of merit, in over 60 cases by the courts, as I said.

https://campaignlegal.org/results-lawsuits-regarding-2020-elections

beyond suspicious that 10 million Democrat voters all of a sudden showed up to vote for Brandon and now seem to have disappeared.


It appears any reading issue is on your end since, just last time I made the, quite reasonable, observation that If ... millions of fewer votes were cast ... in 2024 than in 2020, what that indicates is that millions of voters made a decision not to cast a ballot, either not turn out at all, or not check the top contest. Are you actually reading my replies? It doesn't seem so. But that's OK Defendant Donald doesn't much either, it has been widely reported:

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a32626732/trump-intelligence-briefings-doesnt-read-pay-attention/

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So what are your thoughts on the violent, antfa/BLM "protests and Harris posting bail for the offenders? They were WAY worse than Jan.6. Murder, rape, peoples businesses being destroyed and MILLIONS of dollars in damages. You okay with all that?

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So what are your thoughts on the violent, antfa/BLM "protests and Harris posting bail for the offenders. Murder, rape, peoples businesses being destroyed and MILLIONS of dollars in damages.


My thoughts are, first that Black Lives Matter and 'antifa' are not the same thing and and we were talking about the Insurrection so this is something of a diversion. Finally that you need to offer sources for the claims you make.

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So you're denying it happened? You're right. they're not the same. The violence of those riots was exponentially worse. P.S. They laid siege to government buildings so yes, insurrection.

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So you're denying it happened?


No, I am saying the subject is not really relevant to the subject discussions on this thread, through it obviously exercises you a lot.

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Okay, leftist.

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That's not the insult you think it is lol

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I'm not here to insult anyone. You're a leftist. I'm just stating that.

I'm a conservative and would not be insulted if you called me one.

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I'm not here to insult anyone. You're a leftist. I'm a conservative and would not be insulted if you called me one.


Good, we agree then.

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[–] filmflaneur (973) 2 days ago
"Such as? That Kennedy is a Anti-vaxxer? That is a fact."


If you actually havent listend to that Lex Freidman podcast atleast watch this. RFKjr calls out congress for the missinformation of being ANTI-VAX (which he is not for the 1000th time). He hands thier asses to them.



"WOW , the irony and cognative dissonance from the LEFT SIDE of the aisle is deafening, you could cut it with a knife. At the same time the Left is denying that censorship is occuring but suggesting that there's more material that needs to be censored."

"This is a hearing on censorship that began with a formal motion from the Left to censor Mr. Kennedy! They do not want him to SPEAK! ....yet that is the topic of this hearing. They have kept him from speaking! A collusion between the goverment and private organizations!"

~ Representative Thomas Massie


"Then RFKjr continues on to eviscerate every sitting-ass on the Left of Congress.

@05:45 you can see 1st hand how the Left does not want RFKjr speaking under any circumstances. He is undeniably calling them out on thier SHIT and they cannot handle it. Democratic Congresswoman Stacey E. Plaskett is about to have a mental breakdown while Jim Jordan calls her on her own shit. Absolutely abhorrent!"


https://youtu.be/kuQ8Bv330C0?si=Wq4_wPjZXnq4OAc5

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RFK Calls out congress for the misinformation of being ANTI-VAX


RFK : "there is no safe and effective vaccine". He has also continued to spread the false information about there being a supposed link between vaccines and autism. Unfortunately RFK has a record on not, er, always being accurate in recollecting what he has said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-68447223

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Being against the sham COVID vaccines and being against all vaccines, two VERY different, VERY distinct things.

Studies by whom? Why did they have to give some pharmaceutical companies immunity if they did nothing wrong?

Fact, mercury has been used as an ingredient in preservatives. Fact, all heavy metals are bad juju for the human body.

At least have the balls to ask the fucking question.

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Being against the sham COVID vaccines and being against all vaccines, two VERY different, VERY distinct things.


I agree. So then, what do you think "“There’s [b]no/b] vaccine that is safe and effective,” might indicate, then?

Studies [re vaccines and autism, disproving a link] by whom?


The story is this: a study published in 1998 that suggested that the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) vaccine, or infection with the naturally occurring measles virus itself, might cause autism. Since then, many scientific studies have shown that there is no link between vaccines — or any of their ingredients — and autism. Also, the research used in that 1998 study was found to be false, the doctor who wrote it lost his medical license, and the medical journal that published it retracted the paper. The largest study against Wakefield's discredited work tracked all Danish children born between 1990 and 1996, compared children vaccinated with a vaccine containing thimerosal to children vaccinated with a thimerosal-free vaccine. If indeed thimerosal was linked to autism, one would expect a higher rate in the group who received the vaccine containing thimerosal compared to the group receiving the preservative free vaccine. In fact, there was no difference in rates of autism occurrence between the two groups. More generally, The Institute of Medicine (IOM) at the National Academy of Sciences, at the request of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the NIH, conducted a review of all the evidence related to the MMR vaccine and autism …The IOM concluded that the evidence reviewed did not support an association between autism and the MMR vaccine. Glad to help.

https://asatonline.org/research-treatment/resources/topical-articles/autism-and-vaccines-the-evidence-to-date/

Why did they have to give some pharmaceutical companies immunity if they did nothing wrong?
I don't think this something I have covered, But didn't the Supreme Court give President's immunity for all 'official acts' just recently?

Fact, mercury has been used as an ingredient in preservatives. Fact, all heavy metals are bad juju for the human body.


Fact: yes Mercury, such as thiomersal (ethylmercury), is used in very small amounts as a preservative in some vaccines and pharmaceuticals. But compared to methylmercury, ethylmercury is very different. Ethylmercury is broken down by the body quickly and does not accumulate. Glad to help again.

At least have the balls to ask the fucking question.


You mean like why you have brought all this up when we are discussing RFK who apparently thinks "no" vaccines are safe and effective? Caught polio recently?

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Technically there is no vaccine that is 100% safe. There will always be side effects for some subset group of people.

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Technically there is no vaccine that is 100% safe. There will always be side effects for some subset group of people.


I agree. In fact no medication is without some sort of risk however small. One doubts however if RFK had that perspective in mind when he sought to condemn all vaccines. Practically speaking, vaccines have saved literally millions of lives so and, contrary to RFK's claim, they are most definitely effective. RFK however has additionally supported discredited notions about a link between vaccines and autism, misinformation which is damaging to the public health. The broader problem though is RFK has no medical background or expertise, making him a bad choice to run health.

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You sound quite triggered, maybe you should find a safe space.

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wow i didn't know rubio was this good! this is what we need.

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