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Biden started yet another war in Haiti




Sigh. I sure miss the days of Donald the Dove and all those mean tweets!

Bloodthirsty Biden is just not slowing down with all the wars he's starting. While this is a much smaller one than the one him and Nuland started in Ukraine, this is still yet another humanitarian disaster by the most prolific warmonger alive.

Haiti crisis boils over, forcing pivot in US policy


Haitian Prime Minister Ariel Henry’s resignation on Tuesday marks a watershed moment for U.S. diplomacy, which for the last 32 months focused on keeping him in power against the warnings of experts and Haitian civil society.

Under Henry, who served as acting prime minister and acting president, armed gangs grew stronger as the government’s reach shrank, with the Caribbean nation becoming more and more reliant on U.S. support and the promise of an international police mission.

“It’s maddening for the Haitians and it’s maddening for me, and two weeks ago, if you recall, this situation was not at all urgent to the secretary of State and the U.S. government, despite the fact that it has been urgent for 32 months,” said Dan Foote, the Biden administration’s former special envoy to Haiti, who in 2021 resigned in protest against deportations back to the country.

The resignation came as criminal gangs heightened their attacks on key installations in Port-au-Prince, including the airport. Henry himself was unable even to return to Haiti after an attempt to secure a Kenyan police force to bolster Haiti’s National Police.

Henry, who was officially a transitional figure, was the longest tenured prime minister since the end of the Duvalier dictatorship in 1986.

Though the State Department’s support was officially intended to help him rebuild a government structure in the wake of the 2021 assassination of former President Jovenel Moïse, Henry had shown few signs of relinquishing power until he was shut out of the country.

“If you look at the background and the context, Prime Minister Henry has always been a transitional figure,” State Department Matt Miller told reporters Tuesday.

“If you look at the way he came into office, the tragic circumstances, the assassination of the president — we have always called, along with Haitian civil society, Haitian political leaders — for a transition to free and fair elections and a transition to democracy, which of course requires stable security in which you can hold elections.”

Miller added that over the past few days it became clear “not to the United States, but to members of CARICOM [the Caribbean Community], to members of Haitian civil society, to a number of Haitians,’’ that the political situation under Henry was untenable.

In response to the developing crisis, Secretary of State Antony Blinken has been busy engaging with Caribbean allies and Kenya to plot a path forward.

After a phone call with Kenyan President William Ruto on Saturday, Blinken traveled to Kingston, Jamaica, on Monday, where he discussed the issue with Jamaican Prime Minister Andrew Holness, who hosted a Haiti summit that included input from the United States, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, France, CARICOM and some members of Haitian civil society via Zoom.

“We support the plan to create a broad-based, inclusive, independent presidential college that would, in particular, first, take concrete steps to meet the immediate needs of the Haitian people; second, enable the swift deployment of the Multinational Security Support Mission; and third, through that deployment, through a reinforced Haitian National Police, create the security conditions that are necessary to hold free and fair elections, to allow humanitarian assistance to get to people who need it, and to help put Haiti back on a path to economic opportunity and growth,” Blinken said in Kingston on Monday, adding that the Department of Defense doubled its peacekeeping mission support from $100 million to $200 million, and the United States pledged an extra $33 million for health and food security.

State Department officials in a call Tuesday focused on deployment and funding of the Kenyan-led multinational police force. An official said the department’s previous $100 million allocation to Haiti will be used to reimburse Kenya for its contributions and emphasized the dire need for the security assistance despite failed mission

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How did Biden start this?

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Read literally the first paragraph of the article.

Biden propped up an unelected puppet leader against the wishes of Haiti, and promised aid and intervention if anything went wrong. This has been going on since the last PM of Haiti was assassinated in 2021, 32 months ago.

Now, war has broken out as a direct result of Bloodthirsty Biden's actions.

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Haitian protests and massive disorder have been happening at scale since at least 2018.

The Biden administration promised to help the authorities there, to the extent that they have existed and exact power at all - rebuild their country. A likely fools errand, but had little to do with propping anyone up. If the Biden administration had not helped in any way, it could've collapsed sooner, or collapsed as it did in our timeline and much the same would be happening.

I don't think you realise the scale of strife and chaos in Haiti. This isn't or wasn't a case of the US propping up some dictator who is suppressing a widely popular opposition movement. There is no alternative government waiting in the wings. Haiti is a failed state utterly destroyed by widespread gang violence.

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Read the article. What you're saying isn't true.

The US ambassador to Haiti, who was working under Biden, blames Biden....specifically for propping up a corrupt leader for 32 months who had no intention of rebuilding the country.

After 32 months there's still no government? Do I really need to spell out why this is? It's because there were no elections. Henry, the unelected corrupt bureaucrat Biden picked to run Haiti, kept suspending elections again and again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Haitian_general_election

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Haiti is no state to hold any election and hasn't been for nearly a decade. Turnout in the 2016 election was 21%.

"Under Henry, who served as acting prime minister and acting president, armed gangs grew stronger as the government’s reach shrank, with the Caribbean nation becoming more and more reliant on U.S. support and the promise of an international police mission.

“It’s maddening for the Haitians and it’s maddening for me, and two weeks ago, if you recall, this situation was not at all urgent to the secretary of State and the U.S. government, despite the fact that it has been urgent for 32 months,” said Dan Foote, the Biden administration’s former special envoy to Haiti, who in 2021 resigned in protest against deportations back to the country."

This is complaining about the Biden administrations complacency and indifference to the country (probably true), but it doesn't actually say what you just claimed. He doesn't say that the Biden administration "propped up a corrupt leader".

I doubt much of anything would be different if Trump won re-election. It's a highly poor, corrupt, gang-ridden nation with poor infrastructure at repeated risk from devastation from major earthquakes (two since 2010).

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Things were so much better under Trump that there were no cannibalistic gangs going around overthrowing the government, lol.

The difference couldn't be bigger.

Also, Biden focused on security guarantees and "protecting Democracy" which is ironic as Haiti hasn't had a vote in nearly a decade now.

And now you're asking for proof that he propped up a corrupt leader? You know, the one who wasn't elected and kept canceling elections? LOL. What more proof do you want?

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>Things were so much better under Trump that there were no cannibalistic gangs going around overthrowing the government, lol.

The wave of disorder in Haiti long predates Biden entering office. What did Trump do when he was in office to help Haiti?

Also, Biden didn't choose this leader. He was named president by the President of Haiti. Who should the USA have helped? What would have Trump done differently?

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Well, he didn't start a war for one thing. This can't be understated.

Biden kept giving Henry assurance guarantees of force and humanitarian aid which emboldened him to repeatedly cancel elections so he could remain in power and pocket from his office.

Then there's also the destabilization of the country by allowing so many Haitians into the USA who entered illegally.

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>Well, he didn't start a war for one thing. This can't be understated.

Haiti is not suddenly at war. It's been deteroirating progressively since 2018.

>Biden kept giving Henry assurance guarantees of force and humanitarian aid which emboldened him to repeatedly cancel elections so he could remain in power and pocket from his office.

When did Biden give Haiti guarantees of force to protect him from his own people? Humanitarian aid kept coming in, sure. From what I can see, the Biden administration really doesn't want boots on the ground at all there.

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The most obvious example would be the US backed "international" forces that Bloodthirsty Biden's admin wanted to send to Haiti to protect his boy Henry.

Obviously, given how Biden destroyed Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Libya, Gaza, and now Haiti in the name of "bringing them democracy"....I understand why the people wouldn't want a military force in their country controlled by the most prolific war monger alive.

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Are you referring to this?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/2/un-approves-international-force-to-aid-haiti-amid-gang-violence#:~:text=The%20United%20Nations%20Security%20Council,Kenya%2Dled%20mission%20to%20Haiti.

>Obviously, given how Biden destroyed Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Libya, Gaza, and now Haiti in the name of "bringing them democracy"....I understand why the people wouldn't want a military force in their country controlled by the most prolific war monger alive.

The USA didn't want to put boots on the ground in Haiti.

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Erm....is your Google broken?


"US Commits $100 Million More to Multinational Force for Haiti Amid Violence

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken announced on Monday the United States would commit an additional $100 million to a United Nations-backed multinational security force intended to assist Haitian police in combating gangs, along with $33 million in humanitarian aid.

This would bring the total of U.S. contribution to the security force to $300 million.

In February, the United States pledged $200 million to support the Kenya-led Multinational Security Support mission, or MSS, in Haiti. The U.S. said that the deployment of the mission will help the Haitian National Police create the security conditions necessary to conduct free and fair elections...."

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-commits-100-million-more-to-multinational-force-for-haiti-amid-violence/7523790.html

You put a fox in a hen house, and he'll eat chicken for dinner every time. Biden can't help but keep starting wars.

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A war hasn't just started in Haiti. It's been ongoing societal crumbling since 2018 onwards.

The fear from the Biden government is that without funding the security services to combat gang violence, that the state will completely fall, and mobsters will run the government.

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Erm...and that's different than what is going on now....how exactly? Because it looks like a failed state despite all the money Biden plundered from the treasury and gave to Haiti.

Time after time, Biden keeps starting illegal wars while claiming that if he didn't start the war, then there would've been a war anyways. The truth is, he's the one starting all the wars under the lies of "preventative strike" or "bringing them democracy".

We saw this when he lied on the Senate Floor as Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and begged everyone to invade Iraq before they attacked the USA.

We saw it in Syria where he pretended he was trying to prevent a civil war but actually caused one.

We saw it in Libya when he illegally overthrew Gaddafi and caused a civil war.

We saw it in Ukraine when he violated the Minsk agreements and got them invaded.

We saw it when he restationed troops in Somalia and then a neighboring country recognized Somaliland as an independent country and exacerbated a civil war.

By now a pattern should be emerging as to who is actually starting all these wars. To think Haiti is any different is to be naive...especially as the USA is heading up the "security" force in Haiti.


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>Erm...and that's different than what is going on now....how exactly? Because it looks like a failed state despite all the money Biden plundered from the treasury and gave to Haiti.

Yeah, it failed. But there's no reason to think really that letting them collapse into mobster rule in 2020 (say) would've resulted in better net outcomes for Haitians.

>Time after time, Biden keeps starting illegal wars while claiming that if he didn't start the war, then there would've been a war anyways. The truth is, he's the one starting all the wars under the lies of "preventative strike" or "bringing them democracy".

Haiti isn't at war per se. It's a failed state that's been failing since 2018.

>We saw it in Libya when he illegally overthrew Gaddafi and caused a civil war.

Presumably you would have been against Biden or the Obama administration propping up Gaddafi. How would that be any different to what you're accusing the Biden administration doing in Haiti?

>We saw it in Ukraine when he violated the Minsk agreements and got them invaded.

Oh, so Russia has no agency and can't make decisions of their own and are entirely reactionary?

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/russia-ukraine-what-are-the-minsk-agreements/

https://cepa.org/article/dont-let-russia-fool-you-about-the-minsk-agreements/

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"Haiti isn't at war per se. It's a failed state that's been failing since 2018."

When you've got violent gangs fighting for control of the city....I think you can call that a war. Especially since a coup d'etat was just thrown.
We like to downplay the "barbecue boys" as just being a street gang, but the truth is that they are actually a well-armed militia group that more closely resembles a cartel or a militia than it does a gang.

"Presumably you would have been against Biden or the Obama administration propping up Gaddafi. How would that be any different to what you're accusing the Biden administration doing in Haiti?"

For one thing, Gaddafi was the rightful ruler of the country. We don't have to like it, but much like Saddam, that was how their country operated and functioned a lot better with him at the helm. Obama and Biden didn't seek to prop him up, but actually supported the opposition and assisted in the efforts to kill Gaddafi in an illegal NATO "intervention" which directly led to a civil war that is still ongoing.

"Oh, so Russia has no agency and can't make decisions of their own and are entirely reactionary?"

How would you expect the USA to respond if Russia helped throw a coup d'etat in Mexico, picked the transitional government for Mexico who ended NAFTA, and established 12 secret KGB bases to spy on the USA while torturing ex-pat Americans who lived in Mexico?

Because that's basically what happened. Trump saw some relations with Russia normalized, but then Biden and Nuland got back in office and tried their best to start WW3. Ukraine certainly is the fought of Putin as well, but let's not pretend Biden doesn't have blood on his hands from his direct actions there.

And then in case you needed more proof, Biden's son happened to make millions of dollars in Ukraine despite having no experience in the energy field or knowing anything about Ukraine while his dad oversaw Ukraine relations. If that's not a bribe, I don't know what is.

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>When you've got violent gangs fighting for control of the city....I think you can call that a war. Especially since a coup d'etat was just thrown.

Then it's been a war since 2018.

>For one thing, Gaddafi was the rightful ruler of the country. We don't have to like it, but much like Saddam, that was how their country operated and functioned a lot better with him at the helm. Obama and Biden didn't seek to prop him up, but actually supported the opposition and assisted in the efforts to kill Gaddafi in an illegal NATO "intervention" which directly led to a civil war that is still ongoing.

Gaddafi was a dictator, dude. He was dealing with protests against his rule.

Do you think the USA should, if it could, prop up dictators from dissent?

>How would you expect the USA to respond if Russia helped throw a coup d'etat in Mexico, picked the transitional government for Mexico who ended NAFTA, and established 12 secret KGB bases to spy on the USA while torturing ex-pat Americans who lived in Mexico?

There's no evidence that the USA formented the Ukrainian people's desire to look westwards and to the EU. Their own president flipped on his pledge for closer EU ties, and mass protests began - which led to him siccing his security service on the protesters and eventually fleeing. Russia took Crimea as a response to this, and then 8 years later decided to attack the Donbass.

And Russia had already been stoking Ukrainian separatism in the east for years.

If Mexico forced out a pro-US/western leader and in-came a new pro-Russia/China leader, the US should ask itself some very hard questions about their soft power. Russia has very little soft power, hence why most of its neighbours despise them.

>And then in case you needed more proof, Biden's son happened to make millions of dollars in Ukraine despite having no experience in the energy field or knowing anything about Ukraine while his dad oversaw Ukraine relations. If that's not a bribe, I don't know what is.

How did Biden "oversee" Ukraine elections?

You're not sourcing info from the informant now charged with lying, are you?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/16/fbi-informant-charged-with-lying-in-bidens-ukraine-bribe-claims

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"Gaddafi was a dictator, dude. He was dealing with protests against his rule.

Do you think the USA should, if it could, prop up dictators from dissent?"

It depends. When the dictator is a wealthy person who provides the highest standard of living on the continent as well as the most freedoms.... and the "moderate rebels" against them are actual bloodthirsty Muslims who seek to install an even more brutal Muslim caliphate....we should prefer Gaddafi over that! 100%. Much like Saddam's "brutal" rule was much better than the war we started for no reason.

"How did Biden "oversee" Ukraine elections?

You're not sourcing info from the informant now charged with lying, are you?"

Relations* not elections* is what I said.

Nuland was busted on the phone call picking the interim government, and my other source is Biden himself who bragged about firing government officials in Ukraine. I mean, those are two first-hand sources right there.

"If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money." Well, son of a bitch. He got fired." - Biden

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>It depends. When the dictator is a wealthy person who provides the highest standard of living on the continent as well as the most freedoms.... and the "moderate rebels" against them are actual bloodthirsty Muslims who seek to install an even more brutal Muslim caliphate....we should prefer Gaddafi over that! 100%. Much like Saddam's "brutal" rule was much better than the war we started for no reason.

How the right have fallen. Literally simping for dictators. By your logic, the USA was right to prop up the unpopular Haiti government since the alternative was likely it collapsing into crime rule.

>Relations* not elections* is what I said.

Biden didn't uniquely "oversee" relations. What does this even mean? He was VP at the time.

>Nuland was busted on the phone call picking the interim government, and my other source is Biden himself who bragged about firing government officials in Ukraine. I mean, those are two first-hand sources right there.

"Picking" or rather undiplomatically (admittedly) advising? Of course USA was supporting the protesters, and in correspondance with many of them - but that doesn't mean they had caused the original protests.

>"If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money." Well, son of a bitch. He got fired." - Biden

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/

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"Biden didn't uniquely "oversee" relations. What does this even mean? He was VP at the time."

You must be young. Obama picked Biden as his VP because (or more like in spite) of his experience with foreign relations. And Ukraine, partly because his son go millions in what are the most openly corrupt in modern American history, had a special interest in Biden's heart....more so than America ever did.

"No one in the U.S. government has wielded more influence over Ukraine than Vice President Joe Biden. As the Obama administration’s point person on Ukraine policy, he has rallied support for Kiev in the face of Russian military intervention and cultivated a personal rapport with its leaders. But he has delivered tough love as well, delaying financial aid more than once over concerns about rampant corruption.

With Biden’s tenure as vice president about to expire, the next U.S. president will have to decide who will take up his unique role as Kiev’s go-to guy. The transition comes at a pivotal moment for the festering war in Ukraine, America’s increasingly tense rivalry with Russia, and Europe’s growing fatigue with Kiev’s incessant corruption."
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/30/what-will-ukraine-do-without-joe-biden-putin-war-kiev-clinton-trump/

"If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money." Well, son of a bitch. He got fired." - Biden

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/

Nice try, but I didn't quote Trump. I quoted Biden directly. Are you saying Biden was lying when he said that he got him fired?

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Total failure of an Admin, and now the poor residents of Florida have an army of cannibals headed their way.

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An army of cannibals would at least be a tidy army. No bodies left in the field.

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Haiti's prisons have been emptied, where do you think they will go? what will Biden do?

They have no problem turning back Cuban refugees attempting to land in Florida since they are potential Republican voters..

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