Trump reality check. Anti-war not pro-putin. - Politics Discussion

[–] Skavau (15993) 8 months ago

>That supposed Trump is SUPPORTING or some such shit, Putin, and if Trump wins, then he will help or allow Putin to conquer the Ukraine and maybe more, depending how absurd the lefty is.

I mean Trump literally said that he encourages Putin to "do whatever the hell they want" to any NATO country that is under the 2% spending goal.

>So, PEACE would be a good outcome, because less people dying and ends threat of escalation or war spreading.

What would peace look like for Ukraine, in your mind?

And what do you make of the Transistria situation?

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[–] JoWilli (19957) 8 months ago

>I mean Trump literally said that he encourages Putin to "do whatever the hell they want" to any NATO country that is under the 2% spending goal.

please provide evidence that Trump said this.

What NATO countries are not spending the 2% goal?

What are your thoughts about the Abraham Accords?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 8 months ago

>please provide evidence that Trump said this.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/10/politics/trump-russia-nato/index.html

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[–] Corbell (10995) 8 months ago

Why only the ones thath don't meet the 2% goal?

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[–] JoWilli (19957) 8 months ago

the burden of proof is on you.

>I mean Trump literally said that he encourages Putin to "do whatever the hell they want" to any NATO country that is under the 2% spending goal.

please provide evidence that Trump said this.

What NATO countries are not spending the 2% goal?

What are your thoughts about the Abraham Accords?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 8 months ago

>the burden of proof is on you.

I just gave you the source which has a direct video link of Trump saying it.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/10/politics/trump-russia-nato/index.html

Address this or we are going no further.

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[–] JoWilli (19957) 8 months ago

you taking what Trump said out of context. what he was trying to say is that NATO Countries should pay their fair share.

What NATO countries are not spending the 2% goal?

What are your thoughts about the Abraham Accords?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 8 months ago

>you taking what Trump said out of context. what he was trying to say is that NATO Countries should pay their fair share.

Now you admit he said it?

How is it acceptable to use language like that?

>What NATO countries are not spending the 2% goal?

https://www.forces.net/news/world/nato-which-countries-pay-their-share-defence

I always get told to disprove people's claims when I ask for evidence. Perhaps I should've told you that here. This wasn't hard to find.

>What are your thoughts about the Abraham Accords?

Not much really. Bahrain and the UAE were hardly serious antagonists to Israel.

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[–] JoWilli (19957) 8 months ago

I didnt admit anything. you are intentionally misconstruing what Trump said.

under Joe's plan. what is the current path to peace in Ukraine?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 8 months ago

>I didnt admit anything. you are intentionally misconstruing what Trump said.

You asked for evidence he said it. I provided it.

>under Joe's plan. what is the current path to peace in Ukraine?

Continue to support Ukraine enough so long as they want it, so they can defend themselves and exhaust Russias capacity for continued warfare. If Ukraine wants they can surrender at any time. The USA could not stop them.

Trumps path to peace looks an awful lot like path to Ukraine surrendering.

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[–] JoWilli (19957) 8 months ago

your evidence doesnt support what Trump was trying to say. Trump was trying to explain that ALL Nato countries should pay 2% of their GDP.

why would Trump want Ukraine to surrender?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 8 months ago

>your evidence doesnt support what Trump was trying to say. Trump was trying to explain that ALL Nato countries should pay 2% of their GDP.

And he kept in the inflammatory line of encouraging Russia to invade countries that don't, notably most of the lower-paying countries are on the other side of Europe.

>why would Trump want Ukraine to surrender?

So what's his peace plan then? What does it look like?

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[–] JoWilli (19957) 8 months ago

thats not what Trump meant by his allegory. most people misconstrue what Trump is saying. only real MAGA members can understand what Trump is saying and translate it to the masses.

>So what's his peace plan then? What does it look like?

whats Joe peace plan? why does he support war but then call for war to end?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 8 months ago

>thats not what Trump meant by his allegory. most people misconstrue what Trump is saying. only real MAGA members can understand what Trump is saying and translate it to the masses.

Assuming this is not a joke, this is pretty cultish and flies in the face of the notion that Trump is some kind of straight-talker if he needs his MAGA disciples to "translate" his intent and comments.

>whats Joe peace plan? why does he support war but then call for war to end?

I've already told you what the Biden administrations plan is.

Answer my question or we will not move on from this: What is Trump's peace plan?

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[–] JoWilli (19957) 8 months ago

again, you are taking what Trump said out of context. people outside of America generally dont understand whats going on in the US. you are just assuming that Trump meant what he said.
my MAGA comment was a tongue in cheek comment.

Trumps plan is similar to Joes but will involve de-escalation and negotiations for peace.

what happens if a NATO country gets involved in the Ukraine/Russia war?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 8 months ago

>again, you are taking what Trump said out of context. people outside of America generally dont understand whats going on in the US. you are just assuming that Trump meant what he said.

If Trump lies and speaks like that, why should people want to support him?

>Trumps plan is similar to Joes but will involve de-escalation and negotiations for peace.

What form would this take? How would the US prompt de-escalation?

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[–] JoWilli (19957) 8 months ago

please provide evidence that Trump lies.

what happens if a NATO country gets involved in the Ukraine/Russia war?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 8 months ago

>please provide evidence that Trump lies.

You suggested yourself that he did this. But, sure:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-lies-false-presidency-b1790285.html

https://pfiffner.gmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Pfiffner-The-Lies-of-Donald-Trump-A-Taxonomy.pdf

>what happens if a NATO country gets involved in the Ukraine/Russia war?

Depends on a number of things.

Why do I have to answer your questions, but you get to ignore mine?

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[–] JoWilli (19957) 8 months ago

all I suggested that Trumps comment was taken out of context.

I already answered your question.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 8 months ago

>I already answered your question.

You gave a vague "Trump would push for negotiations" without outlining precisely what that would look like.

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[–] JoWilli (19957) 8 months ago

>what happens if a NATO country gets involved in the Ukraine/Russia war?

>Depends on a number of things.

your answer was also vague.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 8 months ago

That is a vague question. At worst, nukes would start flying ending in a bad situation for everyone. If nukes don't start flying, then the Russian military could be in for a world of pain.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 8 months ago

Groups that have no mechanism to punish deadbeats and moochers, are unhealthy groups.

Trump was clearly pushing the nato members to carry their weight of the common defense.

You ask how is it acceptable to use language like that?

A better question is, how the FUCK is it acceptable to take a hardline against an enemy while not paying for your own defense AND THEN to bad mouth the ones that are paying to protect your irrational, immature and ungrateful ass?

Some harsh language is the LEAST that is called for.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 8 months ago

>A better question is, how the FUCK is it acceptable to take a hardline against an enemy while not paying for your own defense AND THEN to bad mouth the ones that are paying to protect your irrational, immature and ungrateful ass?

The countries that pay the least are Luxembourg (a small country with likely almost no military), Spain and Belgium (deep in western europe), Turkey (which isn't hardline against Russia), Slovenia, Canada, Italy, Portugal - and their contributions are increasing anyway now.

The countries that pay the most: Poland, Estonia, Greece, Finland, Lithuania, Latvia, are located on the eastern side of Europe and are taking a hardline. They're all above 2%.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 8 months ago

So, that really answers your point then. THe frontline countries that are actually, possibly in reach of russian troops, are NOT the ones that Trump was even talking about...

Andhow, your primary point has been answered. The invitation to invade, was not, literally an invitation to invade, but pressure to pay their fair share.

So, your primary point has been answered. This is good as it is a common theme in current public discourse.

Query: Does this new information effect your position on anything at all?

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[–] BKB (9881) 8 months ago

Trump has to be the most Anti-War President we've ever had and he would rather sit both sides down and hash it out then fight a war unless it's absolutely necessary.. What's so bad about that?? 🤔

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[–] B1cKsurN (17407) 8 months ago

War keeps the money flowing.

Peace isn't profitable.

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[–] JoWilli (19957) 8 months ago

more pallets of cash.

you get a pallet, you get a pallet, everyone gets a pallet of cash!

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[–] blue1981 (7739) 8 months ago

Biden's war profiting corporate donors are happy.

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[–] emori (3661) 8 months ago

Honey, it's called Cowardliness.

He is such a giant coward that he would rather run away then fight. It russia, china, north korea and iran would join forces and attack USA, and they very could - Trump would put his hands up immediately and give them USA. Screaming he doesn't want war and wants peace.

Congress and Senate would have to remove him and put in prison for treason and appoint temporary ruler who would fight back.

Whole world sees this and is laughing how russia rules Trump and made him putins little bitch. It's so embarrassing.

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[–] BKB (9881) 8 months ago

No more embarrassing than watching Biden shakes hands with no one there.. 🙄

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[–] emori (3661) 8 months ago

LOL. Stop living in denial. Its pathetic and sad.

Trump is coward and traitor. his russian masters ordered him to let russians win over Ukraine and USA at any cost and he works for it.

He is not anti-war. He is anti-America. Peace will come when russia will get the fack out of Ukraine. Just like peace came to world the moment hitler was dead and nazi Germany defeated. If Europe and USA would listen to trump-like traitors and surrender to hitler - now everywhere in the world be nazi Germany. Including USA. It would be recalled Unites States of Germany.

Why are trumpists so stupid to understand it? Why are they so focused on submission to russia? Do they have any self respect and respect for USA?

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[–] Corbell (10995) 8 months ago

Plenty of wars end with a negotiated peace, without either country being conquered

YOur belief that every war ends with total victory for the winner and the defeated being crushed under an iron boot,

is just not true.

It is worth noting that if occupying MOSCOW and rebuiliding Russia in our own image is the war goal, then A. would be good for Biden to mentiont thath and B. that's dangerously crazy.

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[–] emori (3661) 8 months ago

putin is poor parody on hitler. No one could make "peace deal" with hitler. Because he didn't want it, he wanted to own countries. Peace came only when bitch was dead and his country lost.

There can't be any peace deal with putin. Ukraine made peace deal with him in 2014. He waited for 8 years, gathered weapon and soldiers and made full blown invasion, wanting this time to occupy whole country. Peace will come when he will die and his country will loose.

Trumpists are just too stupid and brainwashed to understand it. Go and jump in the river in Florida and try to make peace will alligators. Good luck with that.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 8 months ago

Hitler was a drug adled madman, who rose to power though street violence and the stupidity of his enemies.

Putin comes from a much different poliical background, from a culture that was all about being very careful and safe.

To assume because they both invaded nations that they must be the same, is... nonsense.

Putin thought he could roll over the Ukraine in short order and then use that easy victory and new position to threaten even more of his neighobors even more effectively.

Instead he has bogged down terribly, degrading his military and emboldening his enemies, not cowing them.

He knows this and thus could, should be looking for a way to end this before it costs his government and his nation even more money and men.

Peace is defenitely possible, and worth pursuing.

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[–] emori (3661) 8 months ago

You really don't know putin at all. Your comment is laughable. He is literal mad man. He doesn't want any peace. lol.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 8 months ago

I made several points in my post, explaining and defending my support for Trump's policies of being "anti-war" in this conflict.

Your reply, expressed your disagreement, but failed to address any of them.

You asserted your position again.

Most lefties, that is really all you have in your toolbox, so, I guess you gave it your all.

If you have nothing more to add, please don't waste my/our time replying. Leave the thread to people with shit to say.

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[–] DarthAckbar (2039) 8 months ago

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