Trump = no new wars - Politics Discussion

[–] tvfan (12733) 9 months ago

That is precisely the number one reason that the DS and the swamp went after Trump the first time he started his campaign, because he was against War.

If Killary had become president, the current wars would have been worse than they are now and we would have very likely ended up in WW3.

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[–] Gd5150 (11750) 9 months ago

Scoreboard

New Wars:
Obama/Biden 9
Trump 0

It’s clear who the president of peace is.

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[–] tvfan (12733) 9 months ago

Libs, Dems and Neocons love wars.

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[–] JoWilli (19959) 9 months ago

thats how they get rich and launder money to their cronies...

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[–] Gd5150 (11750) 9 months ago

Remember when there were political and philosophical reasons for going to war?

Remember when it took months and years of debate to get the country into war?

Today pantshitter and the communist Democrat rectum just goes to war on a whim. No debate. No objection from the rectum media. And of course, no objection from the brain dead lemmings who live rent free up Biden’s ass.

The blood of Afghanistan, Ukraine, Gaza, are on the Democrat party’s hands.

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[–] WarrenPeace (2267) 9 months ago

Don't forget Prick Cheney and his sidekick Dumbya Bush who got us into two wars and created much chaos, death and destruction in lands that didn't need it.
Only a moron would think Trump was the worst while ignoring the war crimes of those two.

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[–] BKB (9892) 9 months ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/ufc-sports-sport-mma-9gkNguRWfoLKOOmGjB

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[–] JoWilli (19959) 9 months ago

Trump is just amazing. could you imagine Joe trying that?

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[–] Gd5150 (11750) 9 months ago

MAGA country agents of chaos should adopt the Vulcan greeting as it represents Trump and his supporters…

🖖🏽
“Peace and long life”
🖖🏽
“Live long and prosper”

Vs the greeting that represents communist Democrat globalist philosophy…

✊🏽
“You’ll own nothing and like it”
✊🏽
“You ain’t black”
✊🏽
“Hurry up and die”

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[–] Keelai (34864) 9 months ago

Trump = 4x Draft Dodger

Trump = Surrender to Taliban

Trump = Betray NATO allies

Trump = Former KGB & murderous dictator Putin's useful idiot

Trump = Neville Chamberlain

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[–] parkerbot (9017) 9 months ago

And yet Biden helps support children being mass murdered and you seem to be cool with that.

But yeah, Trump bad.

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[–] JoWilli (19959) 9 months ago

thats the irony of being a democrat.

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[–] JoWilli (19959) 9 months ago

Biden = 4x Draft Dodger
Biden = Surrender to Russia
Biden = unlimited money to NATO, UN and Ukraine
Biden = Putin endorses Joe for Pres.
Biden = MaoPutinXi
Biden = america fails

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

How is Biden surrendering to Russia? What makes you think Biden is somehow pro-PRC?

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[–] JoWilli (19959) 9 months ago

Putin just endorsed Biden for President. I havent heard Joe say anything about this yet.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

That's not an answer. Why would that mean that Biden would be surrendering to him?

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[–] JoWilli (19959) 9 months ago

that is my answer, you chose to not accept it.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

It's a bullshit answer. It makes no sense regarding Bidens policy. If he was all about surrendering to Russia, why doesn't he abandon Ukraine?

How would Biden, or how is Biden somehow pro-PRC?

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[–] JoWilli (19959) 9 months ago

lets see Obama let Russia invade Crimea and Joe said that small incursions are ok.

Joe has to support Ukraine as the powers that be own Joe and his family. would you go against a mob boss?

I am on another level than you which is why you dont understand my answers. you dont seem to understand history or have knowledge of how the real world works.

I am not going to explain the minutia of how Joe and Ukraine are connected. do you own research.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

>lets see Obama let Russia invade Crimea and Joe said that small incursions are ok.

How should Obama have stopped Russia from invading Crimea?

Also Biden said no such thing about incursions as you depict: https://www.npr.org/2022/01/20/1074466148/biden-russia-ukraine-minor-incursion

>Joe has to support Ukraine as the powers that be own Joe and his family. would you go against a mob boss?

Any evidence for this claim?

How would Biden, or how is Biden somehow pro-PRC?

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[–] JoWilli (19959) 9 months ago

your shenanigans dont work on me...

do you own research.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

You made claims, and thus the onus is on you to back it up. And I did "do research". I provided the context for your claims about what Biden said.

What "research" could I do to possibly know what Obama should have done to somehow stop Putin from annexing Crimea?

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[–] JoWilli (19959) 9 months ago

I am not going to explain american politics to a nutter.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

I will just repeat myself.

You made claims, and thus the onus is on you to back it up. And I did "do research". I provided the context for your claims about what Biden said.

What "research" could I do to possibly know what Obama should have done to somehow stop Putin from annexing Crimea?

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11976) 9 months ago

Crimea is a bad example. Say what you will about the Donbas, but Crimea has always been a part of Russia historically. And Russia gave it to Ukraine in 1954. And the clincher is that 90% of Crimea's population is ethnic Russian. That's why Obama didn't contest it.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

How should have Obama have contested it if Crimea was more ambigious in its ethnic and linguistic composition?

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11976) 9 months ago

Skavau, you know my position. The U.S. can't be the world's policeman. If it's not a direct threat to our national security, you push for negotiations, but not a penny for arms. We need to end 60 plus years of neverending war.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

You implied that the only reason Obama didn't contest it (and, they did in the sense of non-recognition and sanctions) is because of its population composition. What is it you think Obama would have done if Crimea was not majority Russian?

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11976) 9 months ago

Obama was a Neo-Con like George W Bush. But he didn't have Biden's personal connections to Ukraine. I think he would have been smart enough not to risk World War III over Little Russia. He may have given some aid - but not 130 billion and he wouldn't have paid anyone's pensions.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

Fair enough. I think my point is that no-one was ever going to invade Russia over Crimea regardless of whether or not Crimea was majority Russian or not.

I understand you're against all non-intervention from USA on stuff like this, but don't pretend Russia didn't do its part to seed the Donbass stuff, or the Crimean stuff. Its behaviour is not morally justifiable.

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11976) 9 months ago

There is another angle though - right wing Ukrainian nationalists who hate Russians and want them out of Ukraine. So ethnic Russians have been subject to some fascist tactics.

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/10/AP18287566689755.jpg

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

Right. But I asked you, as you claimed, how ethnic Russians were being targeted in Ukraine prior to 2014. You never answered.

I do not deny there's a far-right contingent in Ukraine, however their political representation was like 3% in the last Ukrainian election.

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11976) 9 months ago

It's difficult to find information on why ethnic Russians are fighting for independence from Ukraine. There's massive bias.

Here's one source:

Census data indicate that Ukraine's population declined by nearly seven percent or 3.4 million in the first decade of independence, with dramatic declines observed among ethnic Russians (more than 3 million, or 26.6 percent) and Jews (383,000, or nearly 79 percent of the 1989 level). Drawing from official data of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service, Burds noted that there were more emigrants from Ukraine in the first decade following the dissolution of the Soviet Union than from any other former Soviet republic.

To demonstrate the ethnic and religious factors leading to minority emigration, Burds presented evidence from the testimonies of Russian and Jewish Ukrainian citizens who applied for political asylum in the United States, Europe, Australia, and Canada. Burds pointed in particular to three landmark cases in the 1990s where federal courts identified the preeminent role of persecution of ethnic minorities in Ukraine as grounds for asylum in the West: Shchetinina v. INS (1997), Korablina v. INS (1998), and Kraitman v. Canada (1994). The asylum-seekers described losing their jobs because of their ethnicity and being attacked and beaten by gangs of men shouting nationalist slogans, while police ignored their requests for assistance. Burds noted that U.S. and Canadian courts have ruled that the systematic nature of these acts and the state's refusal or inability to address them qualifies them as persecution rather than random and isolated criminal acts.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/ethnic-conflict-and-minority-refugee-flight-post-soviet-ukraine

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[–] Bubbathegut (18049) 9 months ago

You dont live in America so you dont understand. Would be like you trying to explain a Tory and bonnet to me.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

This is an international issue. I'm not querying about the history of the constitution, or gun control laws or abortion issues here.

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[–] BKB (9892) 9 months ago

Because Putin endorsed Biden for re-election and stated he's predictable which is not exactly the glowing endorsement you want??

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

Which Putin likely knows. Again: It makes no sense regarding Bidens policy. If he was all about surrendering to Russia, why doesn't he abandon Ukraine?

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[–] BKB (9892) 9 months ago

He doesn't surrender because he's a warmonger and thrives on war and creating wars at that.. This is why he needs to go ASAP

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

So therefore the idea that he's "surrendering to Russia" is clearly not true then.

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[–] BKB (9892) 9 months ago

I'd say he's more surrendered to China than Russia

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

How has he surrendered to China?

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[–] BKB (9892) 9 months ago

He doesn't surrender because he's a warmonger and thrives on war and creating wars at that.. This is why he needs to go ASAP

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

So Biden will both roll-over for Russia, but at the same time keep them locked in a perpetual conflict?

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[–] Corbell (10995) 9 months ago

So, now you'er pro-Vietnam War? Hilarious. Leftards have zero soul. zero.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 9 months ago

Where did you get the pro-vietnam war thing from there? Mentioning he's a draft dodger doesn't necessarily mean you would support that.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 9 months ago

The poster is attacking Trump for "dodging" going to vietnam.

Coming from someone who is clearly a hard left zealot, that.... just is hilarious.

If it wasn't Trump, if it were say, BILL CLINTON, or some other good leftard, i would be anything that hte poster would defend the "dodging" till hte sun went out.

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[–] Keelai (34864) 9 months ago

Trump is a 4x draft dodgers and coward who lied about heel spurs.

An honorable man would've been truthful and become a conscientious objector.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 9 months ago

Yeah, sure buddy. That is your concern about the Vietnam War. LOL

Troll boi.

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[–] Keelai (34864) 9 months ago

Trump = 4x draft dodger

No one in his family has ever served in the military. He also implied only losers join the military.

Continue to support your coward draft-dodging cult leader.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 9 months ago

Keelai, save your shit talk for someone that cares.

You look more retarded than normal today.

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[–] ProgsReturn (2075) 9 months ago

I'm curious
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/style/article/napalm-girl-50-snap/index.html

Why do you feel it necessary to drop napalm on children to become president of the USA?

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[–] Keelai (34864) 9 months ago

Why do you support a cowardly 4x draft dodger? Four men took his place and went to Vietnam. 50,000 American soldiers died. How many of these brave soldiers died or were injured because your draft dodger didn't go?

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[–] WarrenPeace (2267) 9 months ago

F those 50K.
They were not civilians.

The civilian numbers is what matters.
Not those 50K murdering scum.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 9 months ago

MMmm, why do the US soldiers not matter?

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[–] WarrenPeace (2267) 9 months ago

Because they were the invaders.

Viet Cong had every right to defend their land and people against the invading US soldiers.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 9 months ago

Viet cong? They were rebels against their government and stooges of the global commies, and thus our enemies.

AND most of the enemy were north vietnamese. Different country. Invading the South.

Your lack of concern for the lives of American soliders is pretty shitty.

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[–] WarrenPeace (2267) 9 months ago

We had no business being there.

Since we invaded their freedom fighters had every right to defend against us.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 9 months ago

And the soviets? What business did they have there?

You ally with my enemy, you are choosing sides AGAINST me. Don't expect me to play dumb and pretend to not notice.

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[–] Keelai (34864) 9 months ago

It was a draft. No choice but to go. Blame the politicians!

coward Trump = 4x draft dodger

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[–] WarrenPeace (2267) 9 months ago

There is always a choice and the soldiers are to blame as well since they are the ones who chose to go, pull the trigger and push the buttons murdering others and the innocents.

War is stupid and one of the worst things that has ever been invented.

Anyone who never takes part in it for any reason is good with me.

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[–] ProgsReturn (2075) 9 months ago

The Vietnam war resulted in the biggest protest marches in US history. Trump wasn't alone in refusing draft. There were thousands refusing to join up.
>50,000 American soldiers died.

But if Trump went they would still all be alive?

>How many of these brave soldiers died or were injured because your draft dodger didn't go?

How many soldiers would still be dying in Afghanistan had Trump not pulled them out?

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[–] Keelai (34864) 9 months ago

You're defending a lying coward aka: Trump. Trump is a draft dodger like his cowardly grandfather.

"Royal decree ordered Friedrich Trump to leave Bavaria and never come back after he failed to do military service"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/21/trump-grandfather-friedrich-banished-germany-historian-royal-decree

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[–] Corbell (10995) 9 months ago

1905? LOL. OMG. Your patheticness knows no bounds. LOSER.

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[–] Keelai (34864) 9 months ago

Four generations of Trump draft-dodgers and cowardly yellow-bellies.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 9 months ago

Whatever loser.

That was more than a century ago. This is the most pathetic reach I have ever seen.

BUt, tomorrow is another day. I look forward to seeing your continuing decline.

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[–] tvfan (12733) 9 months ago

a lying coward

It's obvious that you are referring to yourself.

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[–] WarrenPeace (2267) 9 months ago

It is better for one to not take part in war and be part of the solution than for one to take part in war to be part of the problem.

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[–] WarrenPeace (2267) 9 months ago

Trump = 4x Draft Dodger

Does this mean that you support our invasion and slaughter of the innocents of Viet Nam?

There is nothing at all wrong in not taking part in that.

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[–] emori (3661) 9 months ago

Yes. So true. It's astonishing his fans are kissing ass of that coward and traitor.

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[–] chilidoggg (14276) 9 months ago

Trump isn't going to kick Hamas' ass?

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[–] tvfan (12733) 9 months ago

Isn't that what the IDF is doing? How's that working out?

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[–] Gd5150 (11750) 9 months ago

The president of peace.

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[–] JoWilli (19959) 9 months ago

the Real President of America.

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[–] emori (3661) 9 months ago

he is russian little submissive girl

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[–] TheHardSell (1714) 9 months ago

God Bless D Trump, President D Trump

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[–] emori (3661) 9 months ago

"When people choose bread between bread and freedom, they ultimately lose everything. If it chooses freedom, it will have bread grown by themselves and not taken away by anyone."

In other words - if people like Trump and Musk choose submission to terrorists instead of fighting for freedom - they will lose everything. And their freedom and their money.

USA didn't start war in Ukraine. russia did.
USA didn't start a war between Israel with Palestine. Hamas did.
USA didn't start attacking trade ships. Yemen terrorists did.
USA didn't start a war in Syria - isis terrorists and Asad did.

Trump can be submissive coward all he wants - it will not save world and USA from terrorists and dictatorship countries attacks. It will only make them believe they could and should do it. USA didn't start a war with Afghanistan - terrorists did when they attacked USA. When USA answered and attacked back - terrorists attacks stopped.

Americans just forgot how scary it was when terrorist attacked their country. And they will again once seeing how submissive and cowardice Trump is. Because no one respects weak cowards. No one.

This is something that Trump doesn't understand. He thinks he will put his hands up and that will reassure russia, china, north korea, iran, taliban, isis, cuba and other crazies that USA is not a threat and would ignore it. It will not. It will only convince them that USA is being run by weak coward and that they should attack it.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 9 months ago

Not wanting war with russia is hardly cowardice or submission.

And Trump is the one talking toughesst on China. YOU want to kowtow to china on Trade, which is a huge interest of theirs, real submission on your part.

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[–] emori (3661) 9 months ago

Bullies only respect power.

You can go all you want in school and tell local bully that you don't want to fight with him and only want peace. He will laugh at your face and continue beat the crap out of you every day and take all your pocket money.

But once your older brother will come and kick his ass or you will brave up and fight him back - he will most probably leave you alone. Because you stood up for yourself and he understood he might get hurt if he will continue picking up on you.

Trump is the coward who in his mind submitted to russia, iran, north korea etc. And none of them will respect that. They will just think they own USA and can do whatever they want. And that Trump is too cowardice to do anything. And when he would understand that it's gone too far and something must be done - it would be too late.

Like what will he do when one day russia will invade Alaska and declare it russian territory? Will he declare all out war to russia? Will he draft Elon Musk and other maga imbeciles to army to go to Alaska and fight with russian soldiers and bombs? Will you go to war to defend Americans? No. You and Trump will put your hands up and say: "Take it". Which will only invite others to attack and take Hawaii, Florida.

Because no one respects weak and cowards.

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[–] emori (3661) 9 months ago

Nobody cares about China and trade. It's all for show. It's to point away from real problem which is russia, iran and north korea. Who all hate and want to destroy USA.

Up until Trump stated telling you that " BaWt cHiNa, iT's a tHreAt!" - you didn't gfve a crap about China. You can't even find it on a map. But then he keeps telling you every day how dangerous it is - you sit and afraid of it like it will bite you.

You really sound silly by keep bringing it up.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 9 months ago

I care about trade with china as do the rest of the Trump base. CHINA cares about Trade with china. You want to stand up to a bully? Hit them where it hurts ?

That is where you do it.

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[–] emori (3661) 9 months ago

You and 5 other trumpists care. Since Trump is submissive coward who can't stand up for himself - he will do whatever China will order him to. It's all an act for his silly fans.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 9 months ago

I can vote for Trump and show support for AMERICA vs China and hope for the best.

Or I can vote for people that think that the very idea of trying to stand up from hte interest of me and mine against china is stupid. And who clearly hate me.

Hint: THe more you attack and clearly hate me, the less likely I am to join you and your side.

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[–] emori (3661) 9 months ago

You, like all other cult followers - can't think for yourself. You can only think what your cult leader orders you. If tomorrow Trump will declare that China is not a threat - you will come here and say that China is not a threat. Despite nothing changing.

If tomorrow Trump will say that russia is baaad and dangerous to USA and must be stopped - all his fanatics will run around Interment screaming that russia is baaad and must be stopped.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 9 months ago

Emori, I don't know how old you are, but if you go back to the gop PRIMARIES of 2016, our leadership was pushing JEb Bush.

Trump is US rejecting the directions of our leaders and going with what WE THINK.

It is one thing for you to disagree with us on policy or choice of candidates,

but your weird ignoring of reality, that's not reaonable.

DO you WANT to be a troll, or would you rather be a real person?

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[–] tvfan (12733) 9 months ago

He's programmed to repeat MSM propaganda.

Too bad that he is so brainwashed that he hasn't realized that Trump has been right about many things and it's not as if we are unable to do our own research and connect the dots.

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[–] Corbell (10995) 9 months ago

Yeah, I see a lot of that.

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[–] tvfan (12733) 9 months ago

Did any of that occur under Trump? Yes or No?

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[–] JoWilli (19959) 9 months ago

thank you for reminding everyone that Trump didnt allow any new wars on his watch.

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[–] emori (3661) 9 months ago

If you think "Trump can allow or not allow anything".... Bless your heart. Such naivety.

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[–] JoWilli (19959) 9 months ago

the last time I checked Putin invaded Ukraine in 2022.

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[–] emori (3661) 9 months ago

When other countries start wars - they don't look at who is sitting in president chair in USA. They do it when when it fits their own time and possibilities.

It's truly hilarious and adorable how coward Trump and his fanatics try to convince themselves that Trump could order what wars to start or not to start.

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[–] JoWilli (19959) 9 months ago

but facts are facts. Trump ended a 20 year and didnt allow any new wars.

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[–] tvfan (12733) 9 months ago

Exactly This.

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[–] emori (3661) 9 months ago

If you think "Trump can allow or not allow anything".... Bless your heart. Such naivety.

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[–] JoWilli (19959) 9 months ago

if you want death and chaos then vote for dementia Joe.

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[–] tvfan (12733) 9 months ago

And yet, no one overstepped until he was out of office.

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[–] Gd5150 (11750) 9 months ago

Imagine being this ignorant.

Emoron has proven over and over he’s incapable of an honest conversation. Incapable of backing any of his fantasies with substance.

The ignore list approaches for this TDS 🤡

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[–] [deleted] 9 months ago

Imagine a corporate suck-ass calling anyone else a coward.

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[–] emori (3661) 9 months ago

Radical magas who run around Internet are not bright. To put it lightly. They didn't go to University and their brains are basically like 10 years old children. Go and ask 10 years old about politics, life, history, how vegetables and fruits are made. They don't know.

Magas don't understand anything that is happening beyond their local bar and truck. In their world everything is so simple like it is in the minds of children.

Like all children dream to grow up and when they do - they remember those simple times in childhood when there were no adult problems they have now.

And Trump knows how stupid his die hard magas are and he talks to them like they are 10 years old children.

It's truly fascinating to watch. And you can't explain to them anything. You can't reason with them. They will just gonna run and repeat what their cult leader said. If tomorrow he will say that Earth is flat and that Democrats hide it - magas will believe it and run around Internet, screaming Earth is flat and Democrats are lying it round.

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[–] Gd5150 (11750) 9 months ago

Fascinating someone can type so much with no substance.

It’s always entertaining when one of the Democrat rectum lemmings discovers ChatGPT.

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