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Wokeness is just the next evolution of American culture and values.


A lot of people complain about "woke" but in reality the ideals advanced by wokeness are just a natural evolution of American culture/values.

The abolition of the form of racism manifested on slavery and segregation naturally leads to the fight against systemic racism and anti racism.

The women's suffragette movement that challenged the sexist structures and attitudes in society naturally leads to the fight against the patriarchal systems and attitudes that dominate society even today.

The American ideal of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness necessarily leads to a complete freedom of self-determination of the individual which among many things includes a person's freedom to identify with the sex/gender they most feel they align with regardless of what the past systems with their patriarchal and sexist stereotypes might consider.

Things like these need society to undergo a process of "decolonization" by which the structures (and even heroes) of the past that belonged to and propagated oppressive racist and sexist structures are "dismantled" and structures that better reflect the melting pot style demographic of the USA and that seek to build a more diverse, equitable and inclusive society should be put in their place.

So yes, wokeness is not some radical new idea but just the next evolution of the American ideal.

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Or "wokeness" at this current extreme level is just a sign of decadence.
Besides, "wokeness" isn't limited to the USA.

While decadence is also a kind of "evolution". 🤔​

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USA is the biggest exporter of the woke ideal as this article states:

https://archive.is/oJYTq#selection-3015.0-3015.31

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Maybe "biggest exporter"...cannot open that archive link, tried it several times.

Doesn't change what I said anyhow.

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It is a very American thing tho. In Europe the Enlightenment ideals run contrary to wokeness and it is only via the importing of "American values" that wokeness has taken hold there.

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What are "Enlightenment ideals", please?
Or do you refer to the 17th and 18th centuries?

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"Or do you refer to the 17th and 18th centuries"

Yes

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What are the main cultural differences regarding 'wokeness' here in terms of USA vs. Europe exactly?

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The suffragettes started in UK. 🇬🇧​
Though wouldn't call them "woke" or precursors of "wokeness".

And there are some more details to discuss.
E.g. the European Enlightenment (17th and 18th centuries) allegedly was "contrary to wokeness".
How so?

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Wokeness is Devolution and has no value.

Only brainwashed NPCs believe that it is something good or positive.

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ACCEPTING OTHERS,DIVERSITY AND FAIRNESS HAVE A LOT OF VALUE.

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The Woke cult certainly does not "accept others"!

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I WOULD AGREE...IF THE "WOKE CULT" WAS A REAL THING.

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Many considered the abolition of slavery a "devolution that has no value" and yet...

Same with giving women the vote.

Wokeness is just carrying on those fight to their logical end.

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"Wokeness is just carrying on those fight to their logical end."

No, wokeness goes way too far and tries to patronize others.

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Many considered the abolition of slavery a "devolution that has no value" and yet...

By the very same leftists pushing the Wokeness agenda; but nice try.

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Notice all these new "people" on this site pushing this shit?

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And some of them are existing users using new and/or dormant sock accounts.

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The belief system behind “wokeness” will go the way of other communist, Nazi, pro slavery, Democrat party belief systems. Into the trash can of history, just like they always do.

The American people won’t work for free. They will not be slaves. People will not comply to forced groupthink. No matter how much the communist Democrat media/party/education abortion push their ignorance.

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Who is forcing you to "comply" or "work for free" or implement slavery?

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It like a pendulum swinging in a grandperson clock.

It has swung too far in one direction (I'm glad I don't have a young son growing up today) but perhaps in ten / twenty years it will start swinging back the other way once these male kids grow up and start campaigning for equality.

Eventually that swinging pendulum will stop somewhere in the middle and people will be treated the same regardless of sex / race / background.

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Actually, wokism is an echo of older American 'values' -- The cancel culture element of it is a direct descendant of the Salem witch trials. The (unearned) arrogant, religious zealotry inherent in wokism is a direct descendant of Manifest Destiny. The fear-mongering that protects wokism from en masse scrutiny and rejection is a direct descendant of McCarthyism. There is absolutely nothing new or "progressive" about it.

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you are really reaching here to claim all this stuff is a "direct descendant" of these other things.

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No I'm not. Wokism is a religion. It is predicated on making its believers feel superior to non-believers. It stinks to high heaven of Puritanism. The U.S. was founded by Puritans.

QED

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just when i thought you couldnt reach any further...... "da puritans were do religion so da wokism is just da puritism".

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You have forfeited any ground in this debate. I will permit you the last word and I am confident you will waste it.

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ive forfeited by calling out your stupidity? you must have lots of people forfeit then. because you seem incapable of saying anything except dumb things.

you should run a class at a local college called "da wokeism is just like da puritanism its all connected"

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You did not disappoint.

Good luck with the ad hominem in the real world.

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i know i didnt because logic and common sense to you is horrible. you prefer vague random connections to "da woke and da puritans". one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. even by the low standards of this site set by people like bubba and tvfan, you may take the crown for king of the idiots

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Yes, please!...Continue! 🍿​

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Do not send me private messages in which you attempt to gaslight me. If you do so again, I will contact a moderator and let them know you are harassing me.

You have been exposed as a bully and a fraud. That is the end of the conversation. I know the intellectually deficient cannot rest if they don't believe they've had the last word. By all means, show us your debating skills once more and we shall, indeed, consider the matter closed.

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He sent you uncalled PMs?!
Then I know who that ShadowHunter bastard is.

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As I stated, ShadowHunter is the same sock account as the previous Canuck using the same keywords, phrases, juvenile competitiveness, cries when others stop replying, whines when others don't provide evidence, constantly brags, and goads.

And yes, it sends unwanted PMs to others just like S/he did with the previous account. I know because I was one of those that received unwanted PMs from that account.

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So, from which account did you get unwanted PMs now?

And about the sock we already agreed.
About the "juvenile" (as you said), we didn't agree.

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No, from the previous account that S/he used. The name of the account is Batfleck.

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As just said in the other thread.
https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/65663395a349890e5494c704/ShadowHunter?reply=65676ba40ab3ed40ed0766d9

Your edited your reply to me and added "Batfleck".
AFTER Mod5 said it here.

You've completely lost all credibility. ☻

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youll report me for you telling me to kill myself? and im gaslighting?

you need to talk to someone

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you should probably not try and play the victim after you tell people to kill themselves.

By all means, show us your debating skills once more and we shall, indeed, consider the matter closed.


the equivalent of 13 year old writing "in conclusion"in an essay ti sound intelligent. i would not talk about anyone elses debate skills when you went into a multi paragraph rant telling someone to kill themselves.

the only thing worse than a bad person, is a bad person who tries to take the moral highground and thinks they are a hero.

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people to kill themselves

But isn’t that legal in your country and the mentally ill is among those that qualify for it?
I don’t see the problem, so why are you crying and whining about it?

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your last comment was deleted for breaking site rules. i suggest you settle down before mods actually do their job and ban you

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Tfw your attempt to get someone banned exposes your real identity and boomerangs.

Goodbye, Batfleck.

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How did Trump rig the egg prices in 2008?

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If you were smarter, you might understand.

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this is total junk and has no connection to reality. but sure!

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You only think it's junk because you're too dimwitted to understand.

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No it isn't. It's intellectually vacant and utter stupidity. Perpetrated by intellectually vacant and stupid individuals. It's regressive and just seeks to replace one flavor of hate with another. It's tyranny with a smile and we should fight it until the bitter end or there will be no more freedom. You're an idiot.

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How is it utter stupidity and intellectually vacant? Explain.

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"Wokeness" is simply a negatively intended buzzword used by the current gop/maga/republican/conservative/right-wing to try to dismiss those who legitimately question their backwards "ideas" of what constitutes American culture and values.

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"wokeness" is simply a negatively intended buzzword used by the current dem/BBB/democrat/liberal/alt left-wing/antifa/blm to try to dismiss those who legitimately question their backwards "ideas" of what constitutes American culture and values.

thats why we need Trump back to restore freedom back to America.

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And where's the "evolution"? (OP thesis)

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america is currently experiencing devolution. we have been for the past 3 years. we are basically living in Bizarro World.

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What is it you think Trump will do about such a phenomenon?

And the right/conservatives regularly use "woke" as a pejorative as a point of criticism, so this isn't accurate.

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Trump will start MAGA part 2.

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Which means what exactly?

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google MAGA

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I meant in the context of the thread: What is Trump or "MAGA" going to do about 'woke'?

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MAGA is the antithesis of woke.

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I know. I'm asking you what is it you think Trump or "MAGA" will somehow do about it?

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a decree will be signed.

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Saying what exactly?

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Trump did nothing to stop or even undermine wokeness. He is part of the problem.

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