Simply put, I've never once heard someone who is transgender say they are saving money to get a gender change. 100% of the time they say it's a sex change. They think they can change biology. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Actually, the more common term now is gender affirmation surgery. I haven't heard anybody say they are getting sex change surgery in decades.
shareTrue. But I've also never heard anyone say "anorexia affirming liposuction" or "slitting wrist affirming depression".
share"True."
Thanks for confirming your lack of credibility
Re-read my original post, I said that "I've never once heard someone who is transgender say they are saving money to get a gender change." "Never" means in history. Whether people use "gender affirming surgery" now, doesn't change the fact that when people said "sex change", they never, and still don't call it a gender change.
shareIf that exact phrase is what's stuck up your butt, then you really don't understand. Transgender people and medical authorities talk about "gender affirmation" and not "gender change" because they believe they are by nature a gender that their bodies don't confirm to. Thus, a transgender woman doesn't want to change her gender because she already is a woman. She may seek surgery to conform her body to her female gender.
Thanks for your interest in learning more about this complex subject. I don't pretend to fully understand it but I make an effort.
If it's by nature that their bodies don't confirm to their gender, then it can't be a social construct as trans people say. And if they are what they say they are, how would they need to be "affirmed"? Either you are or you aren't.
shareI'm not a trans person so I cannot answer all your questions.
sharegender is clearly a social construct.
look what was considered being "manly" in ancient sparta, vs now in america. hell compare countries with very different cultures to see how its such a fluid concept.
but yes as for theres "400 genders including Fae/Faer and you must use my preferred pronoun that may change or else you are discriminting and a bigot.!"
ya F that noise. thats insane and mental illness
I don't think that's gender. I think it's personality traits and/or attributes. If wearing a dress and makeup makes a man a woman, does that mean that a construction worker is a gender if I walk around with a hard hat and a jackhammer? That's the issue I have when people say sex and gender are different. But I agree that it's a mental illness that should be treated.
shareyou arent making sense in your first part. its literally what society defined and associated with what as and called "manly" or a "man". that is gender. what sparta considered manly or what a man does is vastly vastly different. thats gender.
i do agree though genders more complex than "i wear a hard hat". thats why i think DYlan Mulvaney is a disgusting simplistic insulting caricature of "a woman"
its literally what society defined and associated with what as and called "manly" or a "man".
you seem confused. if those are stereotypes or what society expects, that a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT. ie gender is. in ancient sparta being a fighter who never gave up, fought til the end, wasnt a "stereotype". it was their culture and what they considered a man. but also part of this was their super gay militaristic man loving.
now contrast that with now and both concepts of a man in society.
very clearly gender. very clearly a social construct. this stuff isnt hard
That doesn't answer my question though. Is age a social construct because people are told to act their age? Society tells us to be married by 30, have kids by 40, adults can't watch cartoons, you have to get a job in your teen years, you become an adult at 18, you shouldn't be using velcro shoes if you're older than 7, you have to start school at 4, you have to attend college at 18 and so on.
shareage is a measure of the passage of time someone has experienced. which we humans have broken down into years, months, days, minutes and seconds. i ignored it because its nonsense.
if there were no humans time would still pass and things would still age.
but if there were no humans there would be no gender.
nice ignoring what i said though. cheap dodging
You still ignored what I said. Society has set social standards with age: when you should get married, when you should have kids, when you should start working and so on.
But you also confirmed that age is a social construct when you said: " we humans have broken down into years, months, days". Humans decided that that was the appropriate measure for age.
time would exist without humans. gender wouldnt. nice try you failed i actually addressed what yu said. meanwhile you ran like a chicken shit from my whole sparta thing
shareTime is a social construct that we build to plan and schedule our lives. Thus, we are bound to the constructs of the culture we are in.
What any group of people think about time ends up being a result of them interacting with each other and socialization processes,
Our experience of time depends on many factors, including memories, emotions and our level of attention. Time seems to ‘fly’ when we’re doing something enjoyable, but time crawls slowly when you’re stuck in a boring situation. One study has revealed that time passes faster as we age.
Time is one of the most basic examples of something that is socially constructed. We collectively create the meaning of time—it has no predetermined meaning until we give it meaning.
time would exist without humans. gender wouldnt.
I disagree. Put simply, sex is biological and gender is psychological. Sex is the physical state of your body, including your genitalia. Gender is an individual's view of their own sex and how they choose to present that sex - and while it is socially constructed in the way that there are specific expectations and perceptions aligned with either sex, those expectations and perceptions do not always align with how the individual perceives themselves or feels they should present themselves. So a sex change isn't to change gender, their sex is the thing that is being changed to match their gender. AKA matching your physical body to your mental view of your body's identity.
Just look at different cultures and different times in history. For example, wearing makeup, dresses and heels is/was acceptable and even expected for some men, so that's what some men did/do. We're all influenced to act and behave in a certain way because of the societies we're born into, especially in relation to our sex. Which makes sense, because a lot of things aren't inherently gendered, and if sex is natural to who you are, the conditioning wouldn't be necessary in the first place. And many people, despite their conditioning by those societies, feel at odds with that conditioning, and so they change their sex to align with their gender.
Gender is an individual's view of their own sex and how they choose to present that sex
Who's having trouble and what is this trouble you're referring to? I just defined it and it took less than a minute. If you're saying you're having trouble defining it or that my definition differs from yours, I guess it's up to you to explore the subject and reach your own conclusion, as it is for everyone else. Definitions don't always have to be wholly agreed upon, not when they're individual. And if you're saying that most people have trouble defining gender, then that goes for hetero normative people as well aka not trans-people and not people who think goth is a gender and not disabled people who perceive their disability as a gender - though I don't see why they'd connect their makeup aesthetic or physical illness to their sex. If that's the case, why should it be up to one set of people who have trouble defining what gender is to tell another set of people that have trouble defining what gender is that the other is wrong?
When it comes to people expressing themselves as they please, there's no issue and no one is calling out other people's choice of self-expression just by doing their own thing. If a man wears a dress or calls himself a goth, it doesn't have any bearing on any men who don't choose that. If a woman wants to grow a moustache, it doesn't reflect on any women who choose not to do so. So again, I don't understand what you mean by trouble. Who's troubling anyone?
Who's having trouble and what is this trouble you're referring to?
Definitions don't always have to be wholly agreed upon, not when they're individual.
When it comes to people expressing themselves as they please, there's no issue and no one is calling out other people's choice of self-expression just by doing their own thing.