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Woman, 87, fights off teenage home intruder – then gives him snacks.

Marjorie Perkins of Maine was sleeping at her home about 2am on 26 July when she woke up, saw a 17-year-old boy who used to mow her grass standing over her, and heard him say: “I’m going to cut you.”

“I thought to myself, ‘If he’s going to cut, I’m going to kick.” So the former elementary school teacher stood up and began putting on her shoes but then started being hit by the teen intruder.

Perkins somewhat slowed the attack by grabbing a chair and using it as a shield, and she began screaming for help. Yet no one else was in or around the home to hear her. The teen pushed her and repeatedly punched her, landing at least one blow on her forehead which left a bruise.

Meanwhile, Perkins kicked him and with the chair blocked him from getting closer.

The boy eventually grew tired, left her alone and went to the kitchen.
That’s when she realized he wasn’t wearing pants or shoes. He had piled them up next to a knife that belonged to him and Perkins’s window air-conditioning unit, which he had removed to create a gap through which he could break in.

“You need to get out,” Perkins – who had locked her front door – told the boy. “You need help.”

According to what Perkins told the Times Record, he replied that “he was awfully hungry and hadn’t had anything to eat for a while”.

Perkins responded by handing him a box of peanut butter and honey crackers. She also gave him two tangerines and a pair of Ensure protein shake containers.

The teen accepted Perkins’s offerings and even began eating some of them. While the boy was distracted, Perkins said she grabbed her phone – a rotary one – and dialed 911 “as fast as [she] could”.

The boy left before police arrived. But officers tracked him down a few blocks away with the help of a police dog, arrested him and booked him into a youth detention center on counts of burglary, criminal threatening and assault.

He also faces a count of consuming liquor as a minor because he had a water bottle full of alcohol on him when he was arrested.

She hopes the boy is afforded all the help he needs putting his life back on track. She said he would do “a darn good job” when he would mow her lawn for extra spending money about 10 years earlier.

She also said she was thankful she had not been hurt worse during the break-in because she stays active by teaching line dancing classes.

As she spoke to the Times Record, Perkins made it a point to urge people to make sure their window air-conditioning units are properly secured so they don’t provide an opportunity to burglars. She added that a neighbor had since given her a bat for protection while a worker had reinforced her air conditioner with screws."

She's a bada$$ unlike the wimps hiding behind a gun and killing lost folks.

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I hope you never have to encounter a violent mentally ill person - good luck.

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The story makes for a good argument to have a gun. She got lucky really.

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She didn't need a gun. Still doesn't!

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It's nice you get to play Monday morning quarterback and declare she didn't need a gun now you know what happened. Fact is that at the time she would have been better having a gun as an old woman being physically attacked by a young adult male.

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"She added that a neighbor had since given her a bat for protection while a worker had reinforced her air conditioner with screws.""

The article says she was given a bat for protection. Nothing about gun.

You can't fight. She can! And she's 87!

You're wimpy.

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This, better to be able to protect yourself no matter the situation. It could have went way wrong. A story like this is not in any way an example of anything but sheer luck.

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87 and she's tougher than you!

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Just curious, do you live in the real world?

On my way home I saw at least two people talking to air and making fast arm gestures on the street.

What's it like on your way home from work? Unicorns? Fairies? Care Bears?

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Why do you continue to live there?

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Because not everyone can afford to pack up and hide in the country.

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You scare easily.

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I didn't get the special sauce - did you?

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"On my way home I saw at least two people talking to air and making fast arm gestures on the street."

They're not bothering anyone. Nobody would be bothered by them in my area. A huge nothing burger!

You scare easily.

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They're not bothering anyone? You saw them?

One in a bus shelter, one walking on a street.

You sound like you live in Fantastyland. Can you give us all directions?

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So?

You sound like the idiot murderers who became upset because a dancer was dancing at a gas station while friends filled up their car.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66388976

Just mind your business! They're minding theirs.

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So you're down with people getting accosted, injured and maybe killed by mentally ill people walking the streets.

Next time something happens to you, don't call the cops and expect no sympathy from anyone.

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Cops? Mentally ill people needed psychiatric help!

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Someone has to rein them in first and some social worker shouldn't have to risk their life first - that's what cops are trained to do.

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Actually, cops are NOT trained to aid mentally ill people.

Too much national news, which focuses on negative stories, has left you paranoid and fearful.

What's the crime rate in YOUR specific neighborhood?

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Someone got murdered down the street from me three days ago. Violent enough for you?

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Link?

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Like I'd tell a troll like you where I live.

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You made it up.

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Live in the real world, in a real city and get back to us.

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No worries. Your guns and 6,000 rounds of ammo will protect you.

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Who said I have guns?

You talking about my arms?

They're not 1980s Hulk Hogan level but they they're bigger than Michael Cera's.

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Move some place quieter.

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Give me $500,00.00 to relocate and I will.

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Get a job!

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Looks like the BBC decided to leave out the part where Otis Pena said the suspects were Muslim.

“They hated us cause we are gay!” Otis Pena, one of Sibley’s friends, fumed in a Facebook post, sharing grisly photos from the slaying. “[They were] screaming we Muslim and we don’t like gays!!!!! As we are innocently pumping gas and ya’ll decided to stab on one of us!!!”

The suspected killer, who was said to be Muslim, allegedly told Sibley and his pals that he was offended because they had been dancing shirtless in their swimming trunks, sources previously said.


https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/dancer-oshae-sibley-stabbed-to-death-for-vogueing-pal/

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The killer would feel at home in red states where anti-LGBTQ reigns except Reps hate Muslims, too.

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Mmm, yeah, people who are crazy are dangerous. THey might not be attacking someone else right this second, but it is not good for them to be wandering around loose.

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Most crazy people aren't dangerous.

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In the old days, before CLown World, dangerously crazy people were locked up in mad houses.

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You support abusing mentally ill people instead of treatment?

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I said what I said. I stand by it. If you want to address what I said you are welcome to do so.

That bit where you "restate" my words, with your own spin added?

Shove it up your ass.

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It's common knowledge that "mad houses" were horrible places. That's your cruel and useless solution.

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Interesting. I've actually worked in hospitals and even for short periods in psych wards. They are/were unpleasant places but that was more a factor of the patients being "unpleasant" to deal with.


BUT, they are infinitely better solutions than our current one, which is to let them rot adn die in the streets.

I guess this is another example of "common knowledge" being wrong. Huh, imagine that.

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"In the old days, before CLown World, dangerously crazy people were locked up in mad houses."

You wrote "old days" and before "clown world" aka: modern era.

Mad houses in the old days didn't treat people. They were warehoused.

You're attempting to redefine the terms you used. Modern treatment is different from what was formerly done.

"crazy people"

Odd term for someone who claims to have worked in psych wards.

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Even if we were to accept your claim, "WAREHOUSING" and keeping them fromo hurting themselves and or others, is still superiour to our current plan which is to let them roam the streets hurting themselves and others, often to the point of death.

AND, obviously, we have and would do better than simply "warehousing".





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They are not "lost folks" they are psychopaths. Only a psychopath would steal from an elderly person. If she had killed him the world would be a better place to live.

Also, the reason why he mowed her lawn and others is to figure out who has guns and who does not so he can break into the houses that have owners who do not have guns so he would not be shot and killed.

Americans who do not have guns benefit from americans who do have guns because psychopaths do not really know which house has a person who will put a bullet through their psychopath brain and which house has a person in it who will feed you cookies while assaulting you and stealing all your stuff.

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You advocate killing an impoverished, desperate, hungry underage boy?

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Why don't city people just go to the local food bank and get free food? What is the psychology of a person who would rather break into a persons house and steal stuff and physically assault a person than go to a local foodbank and get free food?

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You advocate killing an impoverished, desperate, hungry underage boy?

And you blame him for his circumstances when his parents are legally responsible for him.

Something happened between the time he worked for extra money and the present desperation.

Sounds suburban or rural since no one nearby to hear her screams.

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Yep let’s give up our guns and only allow violent criminals to have them. Then if someone breaks into my house and tries to kill me I should just sit down and discuss the situation with them nicely and go see a therapist.

Also you cited one example, it’s pretty judgmental of you to label all gun owners that way based off of one example that I’m sure you’ve twisted the facts on. Nice try, kiddo.

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A major way criminals get guns is by breaking into the homes of gun owners. You arm criminals!

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Criminals will already have them due to far left pro-criminal policies. The only way that law abiding citizens even stand a chance is by owning guns. And whenever you take some kind of gun training course it is hammered into all the students that you are supposed to lock your guns up and have security systems. You’re totally ignorant on the subject.

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"Police tied a decades-old gun shop in Indiana to hundreds of Chicago crimes."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/07/28/indiana-gun-store-linked-to-chicago-crime-closes/70477591007/

"In one of the most sweeping examinations of ATF inspection records, The Trace and USA TODAY found that the federal agency in charge of policing the gun industry has been largely toothless and conciliatory, bending over backward to go easy on wayward dealers such as Uncle Sam’s – and sometimes allowing guns to flow into the hands of criminals."
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2021/05/26/gun-dealers-let-off-hook-when-atf-inspections-find-violations/7210266002/

"On average, at least one gun is stolen from a car every 15 minutes."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjDkPWyqr-AAxWJrYkEHS1XB4oQFnoECBEQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Feverytownresearch.org%2Fgun-thefts-from-cars-the-largest-source-of-stolen-guns%2F&usg=AOvVaw0rwfIcKv_wnuQeuRfDa9uT&opi=89978449

"about 1.4 million guns, or an annual average of 232,400, were stolen during burglaries and other property crimes in the six-year period"
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjDkPWyqr-AAxWJrYkEHS1XB4oQFnoECBoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbjs.ojp.gov%2Fcontent%2Fpub%2Fpdf%2Ffshbopc0510.pdf&usg=AOvVaw16trFKw0_wi4mfTK9bReJZ&opi=89978449

Republicans arm criminals!

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"On July 22, 2021, a gun was stolen from an unlocked car in Riverside, Florida. Twelve days later, the gun was used in the murder of a 27-year-old US Coast Guard member as she attempted to intervene in a neighborhood car burglary."
https://everytownresearch.org/gun-thefts-from-cars-the-largest-source-of-stolen-guns/

You murdered her.
Reps arm criminals, crazies and kiddies.

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None of this would even matter if far left politicians weren’t releasing and refusing to prosecute violent criminals. All law abiding citizens want is the ability to defend themselves against far left thugs and terrorists. You don’t care about anyone’s life, all you care about is politicizing it. You’re a sick person.

Ordinary citizens under your plan: Won’t have police protection, can’t own guns, and have to put up with violent criminals being released/not prosecuted. I guess we just have to sit there and allow far left terrorists to kill us.

Also you have to take a ton of leaps in logic to blame victims of gun robbery on gun violence, but I guess that’s what you have to do to justify your poorly thought out and extreme radical narrative.

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Don't worry. The 87-year-old woman will protect you. Continue to hide in fear.

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Don’t need to, I live in a state that doesn’t defund the police. I’m concerned about people who live in libtard run cities who don’t get police protection and the politicians who get tax payer funded security are releasing thugs and far left terrorists all so they can win elections and continue to victimize innocent people. You people don’t care about those who obey the law and do the right thing, you only care about thugs, drug dealers, rapists and insurrectionists, and trust me as soon as it ceases to become politically disadvantageous to be on their side you will cast them aside and forget about them just like you’ll eventually do to Dylan Mulvanny, Lia Thomas, George Floyd, etc.

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Stay safe hiding under your bed from imagined boogeymen.

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Oh no, far left terrorism is a very real thing, guess that’s something you people are trying to sweep under the rug much like how you’re trying to do with child trafficking.

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"Full List of Republicans Who Voted Against Child Sex Abuse Probe Bill"
https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-child-sex-abuse-bill-vote-respect-child-survivors-act-1768981

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You’re in favor of child abuse so what are you complaining about?

Also does this mean you’re finally admitting that child abuse isnt a “Q Anon conspiracy theory”?

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You're using an ad hominem to deflect that Republicans support child abuse.

"Let’s Talk About Republicans and Sex Crimes"
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/04/from-hastert-to-gaetz-lets-talk-about-republicans-and-sex-crimes.html

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You talk about violent crime and then pretend it doesn't exist, we're just being paranoid. Which is it? You have no logic, only lies, hyperbole and partisan bullshit.

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You spend 24/7 irrationally obsessing.

That's why you gun nuts own numerous military-type firearms, gear, and thousands of bullets and blindly shoot when a lost boy knocks on the door.

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I spend 24/7 living my life. You spend it Googling and trolling the internet. You're a fucking idiot who has no clue and a professional loser.

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Says the bigger loser who spends time repeatedly trolling me.

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I'm not living in mom's basement.

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And you're still trolling me.

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Keelai writes, "A major way criminals get guns is by breaking into the homes of gun owners" Well, duh stupid, they ARE criminals! That's how they get TVs, computers, DVD players, wallets full of cash,etc. Let's eliminate all those things so the criminals won't have anything to steal!

A major way that criminals get cars is by stealing them from car OWNERS! We need to outlaw cars. If you own a car, then YOU are giving a criminal a chance for a free ride. You logic is so effed up. How do you get out of bed in the morning without injuring yourself?

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Fewer guns = fewer criminals with guns

See how that works? You gun nuts are arming criminals and then crying about them being armed.

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Fewer cars = fewer criminals with cars

That means police can catch them quicker.

See how that works? You car nuts are about giving criminals cars and then crying about them having cars.

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False equivalency

Gun deaths in U.S. vs other Western countries:
https://econofact.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Overall-Homicide-desktop.png

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Other countries also don’t tell thugs and criminals that it’s ok to torch cities, kill cops and that society owes them something. Other countries also don’t release far left terrorists from prison for political reasons. False equivalence on your part.

You never answered my question: are you admitting that I’m right that child sex abuse isn’t a “Q Anon conspiracy theory”?

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You're deflecting. More guns = more gun violence & criminal with guns

"Let’s Talk About Republicans and Sex Crimes"
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/04/from-hastert-to-gaetz-lets-talk-about-republicans-and-sex-crimes.html

You're believe in Q-Anon?

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lmao, lies, fake news, and propaganda, lol. 🤣🤣🤣

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You and your fellow cultists can't deal with reality nor truth which is the reason you run back in your self-imposed bubble in denial of it.

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Not deflecting at all, just pointing out your lies and false equivalences.

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Be specific!

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You said that it was gun owners fault that criminals have guns. That’s a lie. All they were trying to do was protect themselves from far left terrorists that your cult seems to love releasing from prison. Since they can’t have police protection due to defund the police owning a gun is the only option. Also you do realize that criminals can get guns from other sources rather than stealing them from lawful gun owners?

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Criminals get their guns from Republican gun owners. You create your own problem.

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So these gun owners make their own guns?

Also as per usual you have no evidence to back up your lies.

By your plan:
- The left will release violent criminals/far left terrorists from prison
- Law abiding citizens cannot own guns nor do they get police protection
- Basically law abiding citizens have to say still while BLM thugs kill us.

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"Eye-popping numbers': Chicago sues (red)Indiana gun store tied to 850 firearms recovered from crime scenes"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/04/27/chicago-sues-gun-store-tied-850-guns-recovered-crime-scenes/4854619001/

"The top three (Indiana gun) stores together accounted for 2,000 crime guns."
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/4/15/23025545/atf-gun-dealers-chucks-gun-shop-blythes-sport-westforth-alcohol-tobacco-firearms-david-chipman

"...40,000 guns stolen from cars in those cities alone."

"Their work is occasionally made easier by motorists who advertise their right to bear arms with car window stickers promoting favored gun brands, or that declare “molon labe” — a defiant message from ancient Sparta, which roughly translates as “come and take them.”

Increasingly, thieves are doing just that. The Everytown researchers found that a decade ago, less than a quarter of all gun thefts were from cars; in 2020, over half of them were. The researchers say more study is needed to understand the shift, which has occurred as more states have adopted permitless carry laws and messages in gun-industry marketing have encouraged Americans to take their weapons with them for personal protection."
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/25/us/illegal-guns-parked-cars.html

"About 1.4 million firearms were stolen during household burglaries and other property crimes over the six-year period from 2005 through 2010"
https://bjs.ojp.gov/press-release/firearms-stolen-during-household-burglaries-and-other-property-crimes-2005-2010

"90% of these (illegal used in crime) guns don't come from New York. They come along I-95 — they come from states with lax gun laws"
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/iron-pipeline-illegal-guns-new-york

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LOL that lawsuit doesn’t have a chance of holding up. Were these guns illegally purchased? If not then it doesn’t matter. The citizens of Chicago should recall their mayor because these thugs committing these gun crimes should have been in prison but the far left government of Chicago released them. Indiana should sue Chicago for releasing all of these gun stealing thugs from prison.

I have a much easier solution than going after victims of gun theft, why don’t we just keep these gun thieves in prison instead of releasing them and defunding the police? Oh wait that would contradict your narrative so it’s just easier to allow innocent people to die.

LOL, you’re having to go all the way back to FDR to find a successful Democrat? Wow that is desperate. Fortunately for me I only have to go back one president to find a successful Republican.

I also noticed you praised Joey for giving “stimulus checks”, while I’m not going to thank anyone for allowing me to keep more of my tax dollars at the same time doesn’t that mean you should praise Trump for it seeing how he also gave out “stimulus checks”?

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Why do you support selling guns to criminals?

I named three Democratic presidents whose many programs are still helping Americans - including you.

Stimulus checks were not from tax dollars since jobless people received them, too. You gladly accepted a socialist aka: welfare state check, hypocrite.

Trump hasn't done anything to help common folks. He did increase the deficit by giving his rich pals, and himself, tax cuts that Americans will be repaying for.

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I never said that, you’re telling lies and disinformation.

And you had to go back more than a half century. If you were so confident in your cult leaders you would have cited one of your more recent cult leaders

I accepted a tax cut, the years that I received a “stimulus check” I paid far more in taxes. I am not thanking anyone for letting me keep more of my own money.

Trump gave everyone a tax cut, gotta love leftist logic: Don’t give the poor a tax cut if you’re also giving the wealthy a tax cut. Until Covid under Trump we had one of the strongest economies ever and even had record low African American unemployment rates, I thought you people cared about that demographic? I guess not.

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Trump's economy was record bankruptcies, unemployment and almost economic collapse.

Your stimulus check which you gladly accepted was welfare. He did increase the deficit by giving his rich pals, and himself, tax cuts that Americans will be repaying for.

How does making rich people richer help you? Underfunded schools, and other institutions hurt America.

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Until covid the economy was the strongest it had been since the Reagan years. The left’s covid lockdowns were the reason the economy tanked.

It’s not welfare, it was my money to begin with.

Trump gave everyone a tax cut, you need to quit lying. It’s also disgusting of you to suggest that the poor shouldn’t get their tax cut if the wealthy are also getting on. Also when you lower taxes you increase revenue because people are now able to spend more money. You need to enroll in some kind of remedial civics/economics class because you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. President Poopy Pants tanked the economy on day 1 by taking away our energy independence. Pelosi even admitted that Trump gave everyone a tax cut, she called it “crumbs” and she wanted the “crumbs” back. Your cult doesn’t care at all about the poor, your cult wants to put everyone on welfare so that we are forever dependent on the government. Socialism makes the wealthy more wealthy and the poor more poor.

Let me explain: The wealthy are the business owners, if they get a tax cut then they can lower their prices, that means everyone else can spend more money because stuff is cheaper, that means more money is being taxed and the government increases revenue. Also no one is talking about taking away money from schools, that’s another far left lie. I think some people however were a little frustrated when many school systems took covid relief money and then spent it on critical race/gender theory training.

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It's welfare. And it increased the deficit.

$1 trillion has to be repaid. The tax cut for the rich increased the deficit.

The poor pay more in taxes than the rich as a percentage of heir income. Republicans are scammers! And you're a mark!

Trump mismanaged the economy and covid.

Trump left Biden the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression! Biden was still able to lower the poverty rate by 16 million with strong economic policies.

Link to when business owners ever lowered their prices after a tax cut. They used the money to move factories overseas and hire foreign workers when Reagan gave Big Biz a tax cut in the 80s. State's were given less money which meant massive layoffs and less money for infrastructure like schools, libraries, police, etc. They used the money for stock buybacks with Trump's.

How Four Decades of Tax Cuts Fueled Inequality
https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily-tax-report/how-four-decades-of-tax-cuts-fueled-inequality-james-b-steele

50 years of tax cuts for the rich failed to trickle down, economics study says
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-cuts-rich-50-years-no-trickle-down/

Products are cheap because workers are severely underpaid in industries like agriculture and clothes manufacturing.

Great read: "Poverty by America" by Matthew Desmond (won Pulitzer)
(Private opulence, public squalor: How the U.S. helps the rich and hurts the poor)

Interview of author:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpvG2XJgW0c

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For me it was a tax cut, I already gave more than the amount of the stimulus check to the government in taxes. I’m sure for you though it was welfare.

Wrong, tax cuts for the rich increase revenue. The wealthy also don’t pay tax increases, they just pass the increase onto the consumer which is the poor and middle class. When you raise taxes on the wealthy you really raise taxes on the poor and middle class.

Your third point is an outright lie.

Trump gave us the best economy we have had in decades. Trump did everything he could with covid the problem was the left was politicizing the virus and doing everything they could to undermine Trump’s efforts. The more people died, the more political points they could score. They wanted people to die from the virus.

Trump had nothing to do with the weak economy in 2020, the left insisted that we shut down the economy or else we were murderers. If Trump had insisted the economy not be shut down you would call him a murderer. You can’t have this both ways.

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Provide links from credible sources. Your misinformation and propaganda are worthless.

"tax cuts for the rich increase revenue."
That's stupid. The government takes in less money therefore has less money. It increases the deficit.

"When you raise taxes on the wealthy you really raise taxes on the poor and middle class."
More stupidity. FDR raised taxes on the wealthiest to 90%. Average Americans saw an increase in living wage and standard of living from the 1940s to 1970s. That was reversed when Reagan lowered it to 28% allowing the rich to become mega rich while everyone else's salaries stagnated.

The rich need to pat their fair share. Also, the $1 trillion that they steal each year needs to be recovered.


Excuses! Excuses! Buck stops with the president. Trump is a whiny inept B-word. Red states stayed open and their economy still went South.

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I already explained how this works: If taxes are lower people can spend more and if they spend more then that means there is more taxable revenue. You don’t even have the basic idea of how economics works. Raising taxes destroys the economy.

It’s also hilarious that you still are having to go back to the 1940’s to find a Democrat that you can spin the facts to suit your narrative. Also FDR came in during the Great Depression, we were going to come out of it eventually no matter what he did. The economy was going to improve no matter what, it had nowhere else to go.

The top 1% already pay over 40% of the tax burden, the bottom 50% pay next to nothing. They are already paying more than their “fair share”.

No excuses at all, the left did everything they could to cause people to die from covid and they did everything they could to tank the economy. People dying and sinking into poverty was good for them because then they could blame it on Trump. You people are murderers. Also the “Buck stops here” wasn’t your attitude during the Obummer years. Everything was the fault of the Republicans even though they didn’t control any aspect of the government…..

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Taxes aren't lower for average people. Only the rich. I repeat, the working-class pay more than the richest 400 families.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2019/10/11/for-the-first-time-in-history-us-billionaires-paid-a-lower-tax-rates-than-the-working-class-what-we-should-do-about-it/?sh=49641871fcec

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/americas-richest-400-families-pay-a-lower-tax-rate-than-the-middle-class/

Between 2014 and 2018, the 25 wealthiest Americans collectively earned $401bn, but paid just $13.6bn – about 3.4% of that – in taxes, according to a bombshell ProPublica investigation into the finances of the wealthiest Americans released on Wednesday.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/13/wealthiest-americans-tax-income-propublica-investigation

The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax
https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax

No, the economy thrived even when the top rate was 91% for the rich.
https://www.wolterskluwer.com/en/expert-insights/whole-ball-of-tax-historical-income-tax-rates

The U.S. tax system is a flat tax (regressive) with preferential treatment for the ultra-rich.

I can go back to the 1700s to prove that the rich never paid their fair share in taxes and have repeatedly shirked that responsibility to the poorer classes especially in the South where oligarchy thrived.

Your comment about FDR and the Depression is right-wing revisionist history. Don't you read anything from neutral or apolitical sources?

I provided links to show the rich don't pay their fair share.

Your last paragraph is a partisan diatribe. Unless you are rich ($20+ million networth), I suggest you move out of your self-imposed red bubble and attempt to expose yourself to truth and information by reading apolitical literature and opening your mind.

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They very much are, educate yourself: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/taxes/federal-income-tax-brackets

I’m sure there is some way you are spinning your second link, you are probably referring to their stock going up but then they reinvested it. They will be taxed when they take the money out of the market. You want to tax them multiple times.

You are lying again, we have a progressive tax system, as I demonstrated in my link. If you earn less than $10,000 you pay practically nothing. If you earn over $571,000 you are paying 37% in federal income tax alone, over half your income will go to the government.

The economy booms when there are lower taxes, when you raise taxes on the rich, you are really raising taxes on the poor and middle class. You don’t care about underprivileged people, you want everyone to be in poverty and forever government depended.

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Again, you deceive by mentioning only Federal taxes and refusing to address all the taxes Americans pay. Most taxes are paid disproportionately by the poorer classes.

A good example is payroll taxes. Poorer people pay 15.3% on $100,000 and below income.

The rich pay only 1.95% or less on a $1 million+ income. The higher the income, the less they pay.

Poorer people are also taxed higher on wage income which is their main source. Richer people take most income through the lower tax rate business income or capital gains.

Another unequal tax is consumption tax. Poorer people pay taxes on goods which are taxed heavily compared to services which rich tend to disproportionately use and are taxed at a lower rate.

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You didn’t even read my source, the top 1 percent pay over 40 percent of the burden and the wealthy pay sales taxes also. They do not pay tax increases, we do. It’s simple economics, but you aren’t totally wrong, the ooor and the middle class do disproportionately pay tax increases and it’s due to your cult increasing taxes on the wealthy. Higher taxes kill the economy. The right isn’t for raising taxes on the poor, they are for lowering everyone’s taxes, the left is for raising everyone’s taxes because they want us all on welfare.

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Sales tax is extremely regressive which means the poor pay a disproportionate share.

The rich are less exposed to sales tax because they save most of their money unlike the poor who consume all of their income and can't avoid sales taxes.

Poor spend 10% of their income on sales tax vs rich 1-2%.

You're just repeating propaganda which has no historical basis. I already provided several links proving that the economy thrived when taxes were raised on the rich in order for them to pay their fair share.

LOL! No, raising Bill Gates taxes doesn't raise mine. It raises Bill's.

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The wealthy pay sales tax also along with over half their income to federal/state/local taxes.

So the wealthy are oppressors because they know how to conserve their money? Even you aren’t stupid enough to believe that (at least I hope, you always keep outdoing yourself) You’re just repeating the far left propaganda that your fake news sources told you to. Also you just made a broad sweeping statement that encompassed all the “wealthy”, I’d love to see your citations for that claim.

Corporations are the top 1% and they increase their prices to pay for the tax hikes. We pay for them. Have you been to a grocery store recently? A box of pizzas which used to be $4.50 during the Trump years is now $7.69.

The federal government wastes billions of dollars every day, if they are worried about revenue then they can just stop funding tampon dispensers in boys bathrooms. There you go, they still maintain the revenue they need and they won’t have to raise taxes and lay off teachers to pay for these tampon dispensers.

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Trump gave the rich and Big Biz a huge tax cut, but you admit they raised their prices, anyway.

You just supported my argument!

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They raised their prices during the Biden administration, nice strawman attempt though.

Trump gave everyone a tax cut, it seems you would rather the poor and middle class pay higher taxes as long as it means the wealthy don’t get a tax cut. You are for poverty. Literally.

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The rich still have their tax cut, therefore they shouldn't raise any prices according to your beliefs.

"top 1% of Americans by income have reaped nearly 60% of the billions in tax savings created by the provision."

"Hendricks got a $97 million deduction on income of $502 million. By reducing the income she owed taxes on, that deduction saved her around $36 million."

"CEO Brendan Bechtel and his siblings Darren and Katherine, together netted deductions of $111 million on $679 million in income"

"Dick and Liz Uihlein reported more than $700 million in income that year. But they were able to slash what they owed the IRS with a $118 million deduction generated by the new tax break."
https://www.propublica.org/article/secret-irs-files-reveal-how-much-the-ultrawealthy-gained-by-shaping-trumps-big-beautiful-tax-cut

How does making the rich richer help you?

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Prices and inflation started skyrocketing after Biden took office you little twerp.

You’re also citing it looks like 5 people who found a way to get a tax savings, were these illegal tax savings? Hardly the big picture isn’t it? Also everyone gets a deduction, learn how taxes work.

Even with the “tax savings” as my sources demonstrated they are still paying a disproportionately high amount of the tax burden. The people you want to tax are the people who give other people jobs. If you make life harder for them they lay people off and raise their prices, which ultimately hurts the poor and middle class.

You claim you are some kind of champion for the poor but in reality your plan would hurt them. Unemployment was at record lows during the Trump administration pre-covid, but again you people just want everyone on welfare.

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Inflation always existed:

"In 1940, the median home value in the U.S. was just $2,938. In 1980, it was $47,200, and by 2000, it had risen to $119,600."

That's a part of Capitalism, therefore don't complain about it.

Tax code is written to help the rich avoid taxes since they write it.

Rich are laying employees off en masse. You aren't paying attention.

Trump left office with record unemployment and bankruptcies which Biden had to fix.

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Inflation skyrocketed under Biden. It skyrocketed under Obummer as well, started to slow down during the Trump years and then Biden destroyed all the progress that Trump made.

Well then it sounds like the liberal lawmakers that you vote for are in on it because they could very easily get rid of these tax loopholes you claim exist and that you hate so much yet they don’t do it. So why do you keep voting for these people if they are just helping the rich avoid paying taxes? BTW per my source everything you just said was demonstrably false.

Laying people off isn’t in their best interests, they only lay people off when their taxes are jacked up. Sure it doesn’t help them any but it’s the poor and middle class who suffer the most.

The “unemployment” when Trump left office was because of Covid which was due to the lefts lockdowns. Of course it down when Biden came in, it had nowhere to go and all he had to go. The left were the reason that the economy tanked during covid and as we know the lockdowns did little to nothing to slow the spread of the virus. Biden has yet to produce an economy anywhere close to the level that it was at pre-covid during the Trump years. Democrats love the economy being weak, they want everyone to be a slave to the government and dependent upon food stamps and welfare checks.

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"BTW per my source"
Link?

Inflation is at 3%. Strong economy = inflation. Trump's economy was weak with a very low GDP.

"only lay people off when their taxes are jacked up"

Nonsense! Workers were hired from 1940-1970 when rich paid taxes.

Reagan gave the rich a tax cut and they used it to create factories overseas before laying off Americans for cheaper workers.

Now, Trump's tax cut is used for tech to replace workers and buybacks.

Excuses! Excuses! Trump wrecked the strong economy that Obama left him.

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Inflation is the highest it has ever been. The economy under Trump was strong until covid we even had record low African American unemployment.

Your second paragraph is just a baseless assertion. Even in a weak economy when people quit businesses still have to hire to replace them, dingleberry.

Again you are being disingenuous, if a Republican gives everyone a tax cut you accuse them of giving the wealthy a tax cut. You did the same thing with President Trump. Lower taxes help the economy. Higher taxes hurt the economy. You people want to raise everyone’s taxes. But I guess by your logic it’s better to give everyone a tax hike than give everyone a tax cut.

LOL Obummer did not give Trump a strong economy. The economy was hindered due to Obummer’s failed policies. Trump scaled back the failed policies of Barack Hussein Obama and gave us one of the strongest economies we ever had until Covid which wasn’t his fault. You people would rather wreck the economy than have to admit that Trump’s policies worked.

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Nonsense. Inflation in the 70s under Rep. Nixon was much higher.

You don't know anything.

Layoffs:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/14/tech-industry-layoffs-2023/

https://www.courant.com/2023/08/15/cvs-health-starts-issuing-layoff-notices-at-cts-aetna/

https://biobuzz.io/biotech-layoffs-add-up-to-historic-levels-in-2023/

https://www.businessinsider.com/layoffs-sweeping-the-us-these-are-the-companies-making-cuts-2023

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/07/03/nearly-194000-laid-off-in-2023-so-far-as-us-layoffs-surge/

You don't understand how Capitalism and the economy work. I predicted last year on MC that layoffs are wanted by gov. and Big Biz. When you have more jobs than workers, workers can demand higher salaries and good benefits. Desperate unemployed beggars are preferred for lower wages, few benefits and now force them to work in office instead of from home.

It also lowers inflation by weakening the economy.

U.S. Capitalism helps rich, not anyone else.

Your tiny 1-yr tax cut did nothing to improve your life. You settle for crumbs! You must have a sad life.

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Again you’re having to go back 50 years to find a single example you can twist to fit your narrative.

I understand capitalism fine, you don’t understand either capitalism or socialism.

“My tiny 1 yr tax cut”, gave me an extra $200 per month so yes it did help me. The dems didn’t even want to give “crumbs” and after the “crumbs” were given they wanted them back. It’s pretty stupid to complain about the Trump tax cuts being small when you people want to raise taxes on everybody.

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"Trump Supporter Realizes That He Did Nothing For Them While President!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha7UU1TOWUU

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One person who was probably paid to say that by the far left mob is your proof? If that’s the case there are plenty of libbies who are sick of your cult.

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Here you go kid: https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2023-update/#:~:text=High%2DIncome%20Taxpayers%20Paid%20the%20Majority%20of%20Federal%20Income%20Taxes,of%20all%20federal%20income%20taxes.

The top 1% pay over 40% of the tax burden and it’s only going up. But the way they make up for the increased tax burden is to increase their revenue by raising their prices so ordinary people end up paying it.

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"The top 1% pay over 40% of the tax burden"

Nope! Your reading comprehension is bad. That's not what it says. Your article is only about FEDERAL tax and IGNORES ALL TAXES which disproportionately fall on the lower classes including the poor.

That's why the working-class (lower 50% with $18,500 average 2019 salary) pays the greatest total taxes 25% vs 20% for top 400 wealthiest families.

The lower 50% have only 2.6% of U.S. wealth vs 32.3% for the top 1%. The lower 50% have only 12% of national income vs 20% for top 1% not including the 400 wealthiest families.

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Oh so state and local taxes tax the poor more? Which states are these? Surely California doesn’t?

The top tax bracket is paying over 37% in federal income tax alone, after state and local taxes they are forking over half of their income to the government(s). Are you seriously trying to tell me that the sales tax the poor pay is more than the sales tax the wealthy pay + the over half their income they pay to federal/state/local governments that the poor don’t? I can’t believe you are dumb enough to think that.

Can it with your lies.

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"Payroll tax rates are highest for the poor and lowest for the rich. Bar graph showing that Americans making less than $100,000 pay 9 percent to 14.1 percent of their incomes in federal payroll taxes, while those making $1 million or more pay just 1.9 percent.

Long-term capital gains and qualified dividends—both of which are forms of capital income that are taxed at lower, preferential rates—overwhelmingly accrue to the rich.

The state and local tax (SALT) deduction is extremely regressive. The SALT deduction benefits 75.1 percent of taxpayers making $1 million or more, compared with less than 1 percent of those making less than $30,000.

The mortgage interest deduction similarly is skewed toward the rich. The average amount deducted is $13,061 for those with at least a seven-figure income, $2,886 for those with a six-figure income, $274 for those with a five-figure income, and just $33 for those making a four-figure income or less."
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/5-little-known-facts-about-taxes-and-inequality-in-america/

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More lies, my source debunked your very claim. The top tax bracket is paying over 39% in just federal income taxes.

Your statement about state and local tax is a lie, not to mention it would vary from state to state. Show me one state where the poor are taxed at a higher tax rate than the wealthy, I want to see an actual breakdown of the tax brackets, not your attempts at mental gymnastics.

As for your last statement ummmm the wealthy probably have more expensive homes and therefore are paying higher taxes on it already. Something you conveniently forgot to include. Not to mention you didn’t even cite your absurd assertion.

Again raising taxes on the wealthy really raises taxes on the poor and middle class. All they do is raise their prices which we have to pay. You are complaining that the Trump tax cuts weren’t enough yet you people want to raise taxes. Very dishonest of you.

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Red states were defunding their schools in order to give tax cuts to the rich. Teachers salaries and school funding were low which hurt performance levels. Teachers began striking.

The above was a major news story a few years ago:

"The root of these education cuts started decades ago, when state legislators gave tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations during times of economic prosperity. The hope was that it would spur economic growth — but that growth never came. When the economy turned south, states needed to raise more revenue.

But conservative lawmakers refused to raise taxes; they just cut spending. And because education often takes up the largest portion of state budgets, schools were hit especially hard."
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/25/17276284/arizona-teacher-strike-tax-cut-funding-data

The chart shows which states cut school funding and by the amount. Teachers salaries were extremely low. I think some were on food stamps to survive at that time.

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More lies, they just didn’t want to give the schools more money from critical race/gender theory training. No one is taking money away from schools. You people however want to fire teachers and remove positions so you can have tampon dispensers in boys bathrooms. Also throwing money at the problem doesn’t solve it.

Also giving a tax cut to the wealthy doesn’t mean you take away money from the poor. No one is raising taxes on the poor, that just isn’t going to happen.

As I have clearly demonstrated decreasing taxes increases revenue. Increasing taxes on the wealthy only increases taxes on the consumer. You are for higher taxes on the poor and middle class, your cult wants everyone to be poor so they are forever dependent on the government and have no choice but to vote for your cult leaders.

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Provide links from credible sources. Your misinformation and propaganda are worthless.

My links prove you're wrong and you drank too much Kool-Aid.

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Your links haven’t proven anything, all you know how to do is parrot far left talking points.

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"no one is talking about taking away money from schools, that’s another far left lie."

Arizona teacher walkout: how 3 decades of tax cuts suffocated public schools
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/25/17276284/arizona-teacher-strike-tax-cut-funding-data

You're wrong and I proved it.

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Your article says they walked out because they weren’t given more money, that’s not the same as a budget cut you liar. And if a teacher is going to walk out and impede the learning of their students they shouldn’t be a teacher. And before you say it yes I am in the education business and I know what I’m talking about.

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Keelai is a propagandist shill.

From the linked source:

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/vox-news-media-bias

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Oh I know he is, any idiot who reads a single one of his posts knows he’s nothing more than a far left media parrot.

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Who exactly is this clown? He just called me Hitler for disagreeing with spending money on tampon dispensers in boys bathrooms!!!!

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Keelai is a liar and you will get nothing but deflections and Non sequiturs from him.

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He also seems to think that if he’s losing the argument he can win by flaming you out and calling you a Nazi.

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I hope you're not in education since your reading comprehension is low.

I suggest you get a friend or relative to read the article to you or try rif.org

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My reading comprehension is fine, you however might want to consider actually reading your sources before citing them. I know a lot more about the education system than you do and teachers do protest because they didn’t get enough of a pay raise. No school district is ever going to make teachers take a pay cut, that would destroy the school district.

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I suggest you get a friend or relative to read the article to you or try rif.org

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Maybe you should read your own sources before you post them. Not getting a pay raise isn’t a pay cut. I’m sure they were getting a pay raise they were just complaining it wasn’t enough and in the mean time they held the students education hostage.

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I suggest you get a friend or relative to read the article to you or try rif.org

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I suggest you quit condoning holding the students education hostage and also proofread your own sources. I feel so sorry for the teachers who were laid off so that the boys bathroom could have tampon dispensers.

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Don't deflect!

"no one is talking about taking away money from schools, that’s another far left lie."

Arizona teacher walkout: how 3 decades of tax cuts suffocated public schools
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/25/17276284/arizona-teacher-strike-tax-cut-funding-data

You're wrong and I proved it.

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That’s not what your source says and the reason schools are underfunded is because they are spending all of their money on tampon dispensers in the boys bathroom.

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Literally a copy paste from my link, therefore it is literally what my source says.

You need rif.org

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It says “tax cuts”, it didn’t say “school budget cuts”. If there were school budget cuts then they shouldn’t have wasted their money on tampon dispensers in the boys bathroom.

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rif.org

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No response I see.

You’re for eliminating teaching positions and eliminating teacher pay raises so boys bathrooms can have tampons. You’re a disgrace.

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rif.org

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Those poor teachers who lost their jobs for tampon dispensers in boys bathrooms.

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rif.org

Your anti-LGBTQI hatred isn't an argument.

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What did I say that was “Anti-LGBTQI”?

You want hard working teachers to lose their jobs so that boys bathrooms can have tampon dispensers. You’re a sick person. Do you have any idea what it’s like to be laid off? It is the worst feeling in the world. But I guess to you making sure that boys have access to tampons is more important.

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Republicans=hatemongering

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So you can’t name a single “anti-LGBTQAI+” comment I made?

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Republicans=hatemongering

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So you can’t name a single example, groomer?

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Also on a side note maybe if you people didn’t insist that we spend all this money putting tampon machines in boys bathrooms funding wouldn’t be a problem?

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Anti-LGBTQI rhetoric from you. I'm not surprised.

I still suggest you get a friend or relative to read the article to you or try rif.org

"no one is talking about taking away money from schools, that’s another far left lie."

Arizona teacher walkout: how 3 decades of tax cuts suffocated public schools
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/25/17276284/arizona-teacher-strike-tax-cut-funding-data

You're wrong and I proved it.

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There’s no reason to put tampon dispensers in boys bathrooms and you were the one who was so concerned about school funding so I don’t know what you’re complains about. All I did was give you a fair solution. Those poor teachers who lost their jobs so boys bathrooms could have tampon dispensers.

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Deflection from you.

"no one is talking about taking away money from schools, that’s another far left lie."

Arizona teacher walkout: how 3 decades of tax cuts suffocated public schools
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/25/17276284/arizona-teacher-strike-tax-cut-funding-data

You're wrong and I proved it.

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That’s not what your source says, and the reason they are underfunded is because they are spending their money to put tampon dispensers in boys bathrooms and laying off teachers to pay for them.

Here you go: https://gvwire.com/2023/03/13/california-legislators-unanimously-supported-tampons-in-boys-restrooms-in-2021-law/

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You would have fit in perfectly with Hitler's hate-mongering.

You're too ignorant to know your bigotry and hatred are immoral, undemocratic and unethical.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/wave-of-anti-lgbtq-laws-passed-across-country/

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I’m Hitler for not wanting schools to waste tax payer dollars on tampon dispensers in boys bathrooms? You’re the one complaining that schools are underfunded, all I did was offer a sensible solution. LOL quite the hyperbole isn’t it? In the meantime you are fine with far left terrorists murdering “MAGA Republicans”, you people are far more like the Nazis than conservatives are.

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Your anti-LGBTQI deflection fools no one.

You support Republican tax cuts for the rich only which defunds public schools and destroys the quality of public school education and lowers salaries.

"The root of these education cuts started decades ago, when state legislators gave tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations"

"A petition to state lawmakers, signed by nearly 28,000 educators, says: “Our classrooms go without updated textbooks, basic supplies, and technology. We have among the highest class sizes and school counselor loads in the nation, making it difficult to meet the individual needs of our students.”"
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/25/17276284/arizona-teacher-strike-tax-cut-funding-data

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What did I say that was “Anti-LGBTQ+”? All I said was if you were concerned about school funding then stop paying for tampons in boys bathrooms. You would get teaching positions back and probably that raise that these teachers are walking out over.

I support tax cuts for EVERYBODY, you are being dishonest by saying I’m for “tax cuts for the rich”, you are for tax hikes for everybody. Also as I have demonstrated when you cut taxes for the wealthy you lower prices and that helps the poor and middle class. But calling for tax hikes on the wealthy I guess makes you feel better. The wealthy do not pay for tax increases, we do. Just go to a grocery store and you’ll see how. Food is now twice as expensive as it was during the Trump years because of Biden’s inflation.

LOL so one quote from a far left source is your evidence that contradicts everything we know about economics. Are you trolling me?

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You support a huge permanent tax cut for the rich and a tiny 1-year tax cut for everyone else.

You're too dopey to know it was a con played on you!

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You support tax hikes for everyone. Gotta love your flawed logic, it’s better to raise taxes on everyone rather than give a “small” tax cut. Also I am not wealthy and the tax cut I received during the Trump years wasn’t “tiny”, it was pretty substantial, I was able to keep an additional $200 a month. The left was greedy though, they wanted their “crumbs” back.

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Your 1 year tiny tax cut is a joke compared to the permanent tax cut that the rich still have. People I know owed much more in taxes when Trump helped the rich and hurt everyone else. I know people in Rep. areas who were furious when their taxes went up with Trump after they voted for Trump.

Biden gave a tax cut to working-class in the form of the child tax credits which the Reps took away. And Biden gave workers extra checks to help them, which the Reps took away. The Reps only approve money going to bankers and the rich.

Biden focuses on the working, middle and poor classes.

You're not wealthy, but you prefer to give more money to the rich and wealthy. You're not too bright.

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LOL, there you go again the “crumbs” yet under your plan we wouldn’t even get the crumbs. You people want to raise taxes on everyone, Trump lowered taxes for everyone. Biden raised our taxes through inflation, families who are struggling to pay the bills now have to pay twice as much every time they go to the grocery store or fill up their tanks. Biden only cares about his buddies in China and Russia. If you’re an American who follows the law and makes good decisions he doesn’t give a good damn about you and to him he’d probably rather you were dead.

Your last sentence is a complete lie. I want everyone’s taxes to be lower, I want everyone to be rich, you want everyone to be poor.

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Trump raised taxes with his tariff war on China. Your tiny 1-year tax cut amounted to nothing since you paid for more expensive goods.

"Trump’s tariffs are an $88 billion tax on Americans. A recent study found "tariffs continue to be almost entirely borne by U.S. firms and consumers. Consequently, in 2019 alone, the trade war with China will cost an average American family $1,277 through lowered wages and increased prices for household items. Tariffs function no differently than a sales tax, which impacts lower-income families hardest.

Taxpayers are spending $28 billion to bail out farmers who are unable to export their crops abroad. In 2019, farm debt is projected to reach a record-high of $416 billion.

Trump’s trade wars have cost American businesses $45 billion."
https://www.thirdway.org/memo/trumps-costly-trade-wars

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Nice try, I am middle class and my taxes were lower under Trump, gas prices were lower under Trump and food prices were lower under Trump. You are a liar. Biden is raising taxes on everyone with his out of control inflation. If you are trying to buy a house now you are going to have to pay at least another $300 per month because he’s raised interest rates from about 2.85% to over 7%.

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No one drove because of covid = lower gas prices
Slow economy under Trump & low wages & low GDP = low inflation

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Except gas prices were just as low even before covid. Also your logic is idiotic: The gas companies lose money so they lower prices? It works the opposite, groomer.

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Sex crimes??? Hahaha - let's go back to Teddy Kennedy and the girl he drowned while driving drunk. Let's not act as though Democrats are blameless angels. You truly are a clueless fool.

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Democrat policies created those monsters in the first place.

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Democrat policies halved poverty rates from the 1940s to the 1970s with introduction of New Deal and Johnson's expansion with the War on Poverty.

In the 1970s, Republicans, with their rich donors, gained power and began to attack those policies by destroying unions and deregulating businesses which protected consumers and workers, severely lowering the taxes for the rich, allowing the rich to bribe politicians with Citizens United decision, rejecting minimum wage hikes, new housing and health insurance. This caused the rich to become much richer while impoverishing everyone else.

There is a strong connection between poverty and street crime. Republican policies create poverty, therefore you create more crime.

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YOU are truly a clueless moron!

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Everything you said was completely backwards. I’m not sure if you are lying or just really ignorant. Far left policies sink people into poverty, the rich get richer, the poor and the middle class get poorer. Republican policies are designed to lift people up, Democrat policies are designed to knock the middle class down.

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Historically, conservatives are pro-rich and big business. And liberals are pro-everyone else and small business.

Let's discuss! Name two Republican policies which help the middle-class and two Democratic policies which hurt them.

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More lies. Conservatives are pro-everyone, libbies say they are pro-poor yet they are the complete opposite. They are strictly pro-rich and they claim to care about the poor so they can feel good about themselves while in their meantime their policies sink the poor and middle classes into poverty. Libbies claim they have a monopoly of compassion for the poor by raising taxes on the wealthy (while not giving the middle class a tax cut), but they are too ignorant to realize that by doing that corporations are just going to raise their prices so the poor and the middle class end up paying the tax increase. Wealthy people do not pay for tax increases, the poor and the middle class do.

Sure: The Trump tax cuts and their tough stance on crime have helped the poor and the middle class (and before you deflect to your lies again: Trump gave EVERYONE a tax cut, poor, wealthy, etc. By giving the wealthy a tax cut that doesn’t mean he raised taxes on the poor, he cut both their taxes, your cult would rather the poor not get a tax cut as long as the wealthy don’t get one)

The left’s tax hikes and anti-police policies have hurt them. By raising taxes and then wasting our money they have caused inflation to spiral out of control, people have sunk into poverty and now have no choice but to turn to crime and victimize innocent people. The left is the cause of crime in this country.

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Democratic Programs under FDRs New Deal:
Social Security, FDIC, minimum wage, affordable housing built creating suburbs under the United States Housing Authority program, Government College Student Loans, Government-backed affordable housing loans, GI Bill, Medicaid, increased taxes on rich which paid for programs and services for common Americans and created a strong middle-class!

From the 1940s to 1970s, millions of poor Americans were lifted from poverty to middle-class status moving to suburban homes built by the USHA program with FDR program housing loans.

Democratic Programs under Johnson's War on Poverty:
Medicare and Medicaid, Job Corp, Head Start, Food Stamps, Legal Services, VISTA, Community Action Program, Elementary and Secondary Education Act

Poverty was lowered from around 36 to 25 million in the late 70s before Republicans and the rich began their attack on working Americans.

Under Trump, The U.S. Had The Worst Economic Downturn since the Great Depression!

Biden's Democratic Policies to Save Americans!
:
Stimulus Checks, Expanded Medicaid, Rental Assistance, Expanded Child Tax Credit, Financial Help to Businesses, Expanded Unemployment Benefits

Thanks to Biden's Democratic Policies (during a Trump-created economic crisis), there were 16 MILLION FEWER POOR AMERICANS IN 2021 THAN 2018!!!!!!!!!

The only Rep. policy you mention is tax cuts.

American rich don't want to pay any taxes and have historically shirked that responsibility to the poor and middle-class. The top 400 wealthiest families pay less tax (20%) than the working-class (25%)!

The bulk of Trump's tax cut went to the ultrarich and was permanent! A tiny TEMPORARY cut went to other's which was quickly wiped out by the increased prices because of Trump's lost tariff war with China. Also, working and middle-class will have to repay the trillion back and it increased the deficit. Furthermore, residents in certain states saw their taxes increase because of SALT.

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Democrat policies perpetuate poverty, cultivate hopelessness and foment racial strife.

Rich donors? Big tech, big pharma and the military industrial complex own politicians on BOTH sides.

Minimum wage hikes NEVER help those intended, it only hurts them but you're oblivious to your failures.

New housing??? Giving people something they should earn for themselves is what created this shit storm.

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"Rich donors?"
Republicans supported Citizens United v. FEC. Not Democrats.

"Minimum wage hikes NEVER help those intended"
How does earning more money hurt them?

"New housing?"
You don't know that there is a shortage of housing for people to buy in the U.S.?

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You're so dumb.

That's the problem with your stupidity, you think it works the way you intend. It doesn't. In reality, companies cut hours and eliminate positions. Not to mention that you're giving people a raise they did not earn.

Government subsidized low income housing, exactly my point.

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"Government subsidized low income housing, exactly my point."
Private houses in suburbs built with government money! They were white-only! Typical racism.
https://ushistoryscene.com/article/levittown/

You support exploiting people: low wages; sweat shops; dangerous working conditions.

Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
Legal bribery from rich people supported by Reps.

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I support people earning their living.

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But, not being paid for it.

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Wrong, sorry. But they should receive the wage they actually earn, not the wage that makes you dumb fucks feel better about yourselves. Minimum wage hikes are a liberal narcissist endeavor. Only pushed by economic illiterates.

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"But, not being paid for it."

You agree with exploitation.

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Talk about "nuts", have you looked in a mirror lately? You BLAME honest, law abiding citizens who own registered firearms when a criminal STEALS them? Did you get the license plate number of the guy who ran over your head?

You obviously paid no attention to my post. But then again, why would you? It takes more than two functioning brain cells to understand something.

Criminals who use guns need to be put in jail, not plea bargained by a wussie court system.

I am so not a "gun nut". Don't own one and never had. But unlike you, I actually believe in the Second Amendment.

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Conservatives are by nature more fearful of everything:

"Decades of research point to this: conservatives are terrified people. They’re scared of looking weak so they refuse to wear a mask; they’re scared of low probability violence so they carry guns around."

"Conservatives have a “stronger physiological response to startling noises and graphic images,” they are more likely to be scared of new experiences, and they focus more on negative images than positive images. A 2003 meta-analysis of nearly 23,000 cases across 12 countries confirmed that “several specific motives relating to the management of fear and uncertainty are associated with the ideology of political conservatism.” They found those motives were death anxiety, fear of instability, dogmatism, fear of new experiences, fear of uncertainty, need for order, rejection of other people’s perspectives (i.e. integrative complexity), and fear of threat and loss, and low self-esteem. The researchers conclude “The core ideology of conservatism stresses resistance to change and justification of inequality and is motivated by needs that vary situationally and dispositionally to manage uncertainty and threat.”"

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Where do you come up with all this bullshit??? Because that's all it is, bullshit. Mostly just projection.

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Numerous global studies to understand why people followed Hitler and prevent another one from gaining power.
https://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/negativity-anxiety-and-resistance-to-change-a-neuroscientist-explains-conservatives-fear-driven-political-attitudes/

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More proof that you are incapable of thinking for yourself.

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You fear science.

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I fear nothing but the power of stupidity. You weaponize and politicize science to fit your evil agenda.

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Yes, science is good. You follow conspiracy theories.

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LOL One fear that Keelai forgot to list, my fear of libtards running the country!

Just because you put quotes around a comment, doesn't mean it makes sense or is reliable.

I refused to wear a mask unless the store refused to let me in. My "terror" was more along the lines of being treated as a herd animal like a sheep with government officials taking the role of the dog who keeps the dumb animals in place.

Describes a lot of the left- dumb animals who want to be taken care of since they are clueless on their own.

"Startling noises"?? Huh? It's been proven that all humans are born with two innate fears, the fear of loud noises and the fear of falling. If you don't believe me, blast a horn near an infant or drop it on the floor (NO, don't do that) and see what type of response you get. It won't be giggles. It will be a cry of terror.

When I finally grew up and got my head out of my butt and read intelligent conservative economists like Dr. Milton Friedman and Dr. Tom Sowell, I learned to fear government involvement which has pushed its slimy tentacles into every aspect of our lives.

Another of my favorite economists, the late Dr. Walter E. Williams wrote a book (a collection of essays really), "More Liberty Means Less Government, Our Founders Knew This Well". Read that book and you will fear for the dummies in this country who pop out endless babies without daddies and expect Uncle Sam to be daddy. People are willing to be sold a bill of goods which allows them to be the perpetual economic slaves of slick politicians who stay in power and only care about their votes!

THOSE are some of the things that scare ME!.

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I can promise you that the people that break into your home isn't going to be the homo Hunter Biden kid that mows your yard.

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Gun owners and enthusiasts do not give a flying fuck what you think of them, I promise you this.

In fact, you should go to the local range, and let every one know how you feel about them. Perhaps you can have a nice chat with some gun owners. But that might change your mind, so you'll never do that. You'll just be a hateful, asshole racist on the internet... that's easier.

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"When fascism comes to America, it will come in the name of 'Liberalism'."
-President Ronald Reagan

https://youtube.com/shorts/jPbGsvoNKMw?feature=share

Leftists always lie.
Wokeness is Fascism+Hypocrisy.

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Wimpy get together at the range.

Meanwhile, woman, 87, kicks butt. Criminal gave up because she wore him out. And she gave him a few snacks.

She's a bada$$. You're wimpy!
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Fascism definition: a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement.

"Leftists always lie.
Wokeness is Fascism+Hypocrisy."

And...
'War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength.'

How Orwellian of you!

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Do you enjoy proving people's points for them?

________________________
"When fascism comes to America, it will come in the name of 'Liberalism'."
-President Ronald Reagan

https://youtube.com/shorts/jPbGsvoNKMw?feature=share

Leftists always lie.
Wokeness is Fascism+Hypocrisy.


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This is the people you should do a fair and unload your clip on them.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/9653792141329130

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Or just call the woman, 87. You need a gun because you can't fight. She can.

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What an incredibly stupid, ignorant human being you are. I mean Chinabot.

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Woman, 87, is braver than you.

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I'm glad things worked out for that woman. But you are just a shit talker.

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You can't handle the truth.

The woman said she still isn't afraid. Meanwhile, gun nuts are trembling from your delusions. That's the reason you're shooting lost children and drivers.

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Fear of home invasion by violent criminals or violent lunatics, or violent lefties, (but I repeat myself), is not a delusion but just dealing with the reality of a violent and dangerous world.

That you try to gaslight us as though it is not, ia you being a shit talker.

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You're only repeating my original asserton that gun nuts are overly paranoid. That's the reason you shoot lost children who accidentally knock on your door.

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It takes a completely soulless man to pretend that being afraid of violent crime, is paranoia.


You are a gaslighting troll boi.

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24/7 obsession and armed to the teeth with multiple military-type weapons, gear and thousands of ammo = paranoia

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LOL. Don't quit you day job Carnac.

Taking responsibility for your own protection and the protection of your family is not paranoria.


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And you would huddle in a corner, sucking your thumb while shitting your pants if placed in a similar situation.

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I'm not spending 24/7 obsessing over fears to nonexistent threats. My point is that you are.

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You have absolutely no fucking clue who I am or what I do. You have your biases, prejudices, pre-conceived notions, generalizations and stereotypes and nothing else. You know nothing.

In 2011 three assholes broke into our home and stole everything that fit through the window they destroyed to get in. Not only did we not get all our shit back but it cost $1200 to fix the window, two weeks before our wedding. If I had been there, as I was the night before, someone probably would've died.

Twice in my life I've had lowlifes point a gun at me. The world is a violent place, made more so by stupid fucking democrats who endorse riots, refuse to prosecute criminals, release convicted felons and embolden assholes who'd rather steal from others than work for it. A dozen people are killed in Memphis every day. Your hero thugs are driving around shooting out the windows of their cars and doing donuts in intersections, like a scene from a movie. Non-existent??? Even you can't be that stupid.

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"lowlifes point a gun at me."
But, you like guns!

"three assholes broke into our home and stole everything"
So, your gun didn't help. Did they steal your gun(s) too in order to sell to other criminals? How did you know it was three? Friends of yours?

"A dozen people are killed in Memphis every day."
With guns no doubt in gun nut happy backward red Tennessee.

"driving around shooting out the windows of their cars and doing donuts in intersections"
LOL! I guess the gun range is too boring for you gun nuts!

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Not in the hands of lowlifes when they're pointed at me, dumbass.

I wasn't home, dumbass. Try reading. I know it was three because three assholes were arrested and charged for the act. Dumbass.

No, in blue Memphis, dumbass.

Go fuck yourself.

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A red state.

You're the dummy who allowed 3 criminals to burglarize your home. Did they take your gun(s) to sell to other criminals?

It sounds like you annoy people off the internet too since many are pointing guns at you.

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Blue city. Democrat mayor. Democrat city council. Democrat police chief. Democrat DA.

Allowed??? I guess women allow rapists to rape them too???

Dumbass.

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Red state run by backward red policies by red governor, senators and congress who give guns to criminals and increase poverty. Defund schools state!

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Funny the only crime-ridden shitholes are democrat blue cities. Those ghetto folk who kill each other every day, those are democrat constituents. They don't kill each other because they have guns. They kill each other because they have no hope. Why don't you help them?

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Actually, crime is higher in red rural areas and towns because you give your criminals guns.

Gun Violence Rates In Rural Areas Match or Outpace Cities
https://www.ncja.org/crimeandjusticenews/gun-violence-rates-in-rural-areas-match-or-outpace-cities

Murder Rates Soar in Rural America
https://www.wsj.com/story/murder-rates-soar-in-rural-america-bb431022

Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ariannajohnson/2023/04/28/red-states-have-higher-gun-death-rates-than-blue-states-heres-why/?sh=1dabfba81f81

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