Whitewashing in film.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewashing_in_film
Watch the ignorant folks on here will have no retort but to insult me for posting this. Yet they are free to complain when it is done to them.
Racism, racism everywhere, yet none applied to me.
shareAs I stated before notice how all you can do is insult? You did nothing to refute this because you can not.
shareWhere did I insult in that comment? Oh I forgot, anything that doesn't go along with the narrative is an attack.
I don't care to refute it, I do not give a shit. If a movie studio wants to make a movie with John Wayne playing an Asian, or they want to cast a black female rapper as The Equalizer, who gives a fuck? You don't like it, don't watch it. This is just another example of how left wing fascists want to control everything, including people's thoughts.
They don't see racism everywhere it's just their claims of racism are very selective. A whole list given where a white person is cast as a character where in the original source the character was not white. That's all bad and racist and they point to a film from 1926. Now in 2023 you cast a non-white person as a character that is originally white and that's great. You cast Africans as white historical figures. You can cast them in a tv show set in 18th century Britain when we know non-whites were few and far between. Any questioning of that is met with screams of racism and white supremacy. Pure hypocrisy.
shareWhere did I say you could not cast a white person in a specific role? I said so long as the race is not essential you can do whatever you want. You want a white Blade then go for it.
shareI'm just talking about the general consensus out there. The wiki page you linked to is basically saying that race swapping is bad. It erases people of color. The reverse is celebrated. That's hypocrisy and or a double standard. This journalist and her articles sums it up.
A Hawaiian young actress playing the live action version of a Hawaiian character is bad because she is not brown enough.
https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/17/disney-is-guilty-of-colourism-in-nanis-casting-in-the-lilo-stitch-remake-18626977/
Have a young black actress play the live action version of a character that is white and she gives it all glowing praise.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/13/black-kids-reactions-to-the-little-mermaid-is-why-halle-bailey-belongs-17367688/
So then is the race of Catwoman essential then? She has to be white no exceptions?
shareI don't know much about Catwoman but if the original character is white and if whitewashing is unacceptable then yes. You can't say it's wrong to change the race of a character from black to white then say it's fine to change the race of a character from white to black.
shareNice attempt to not give an answer. No incorrect. The race has to be essential in order for it to matter. You can interpret Catwoman in any which way the artist pleases. The Batman was a financial and critical success and Kravitz was not white. I said it only matters if the character's race is essential. Otherwise it does not matter. Catwoman was not white in the Year One comic and neither was Eartha Kitt.
It is stupid to assume that characters remain the exact same over long stretches of time. I said before if you change a character like MLK to white that is not acceptable, if you change Lincoln from white to black that is unacceptable. That is because their race is essential since they are obviously not fictional characters.
In the case of fictional characters some character's race is essential others are not. Mulan's race is essential, Catwoman's is not.
You linked to a Wiki page with a vast list of characters that were whitewashed away. The page does not paint a positive picture when it comes to race swapping. I'm sure that some of the characters on that list that have been whitewashed can be played by white people but as we know any race swapping of that nature is frowned upon. I see a double standard.
shareSo long as the race isn't essential race shouldn't matter. If you want to cast a white Blade go ahead.
shareAre all the examples you linked to that are considered problematic actually aren't and nobody should be complaining that a white actor was given the role?
shareThen the same goes for when a race isn't essential for a white person. You guys still complain even when the race isn't essential. So if you guys get to do that why can't black people do it?
shareI'm trying to figure out the rules. You linked to a Wiki page with a slew of problematic/racist films where there is race and ethnicity swapping spanning decades. Nearly a century. Are all of those films racist and the race of the character should have never been changed? If so which ones. If they are ok, then are the people complaining racist? Are the ones not happy with the colorism In Lilo & Stitch considered to be part of a racist backlash like any complaint over the race swapping od Ariel? It's confusing.
shareAgain you can't have it both ways. If you are going to get mad when a character is different from how they are usually portrayed then that swings both ways. Catwoman is generally portrayed as white. That does not mean that her race is essential to her character. In the Year One comic she was not white and Eartha Kitt way back in the day was obviously not white. You guys want to complain about Catwoman being changed but then want to turn around and get all quiet when people complain about Tiger Lily being changed in he movie Pan. I see a double standard and it is not just on our end.
So I am going to ask the question again. Can Catwoman only ever be portrayed as white?
No, by the present rules being applied equally Catwoman should be white. Tell me which of the films on the list you provided are ok and people complaining are racist. Are all those characters played by white actors have race as being pivotal to their character?
shareYou are missing the point. No not all those characters race is essential that's my whole point. Notice though you guys don't say a word. You think Catwoman's race is essential because that's how you generally see her portrayed. Yet you ignore Eartha Kitt and the Year One comic book. Kravitz looks like a spitting image of the Year One comic.
Anyways I say if the race isn't essential it should not matter how the character is interpreted/portrayed. However if you want to take the stance of all race is essential then that list completely applies. See why it's dumb? Why not only care if the race is essential? Since you want to get upset about that swap then we are going to go ham and apply it every time it is done.
Which means Pan deserves ridicule for changing Tiger Lily.
What we take issue with is the double standard, the hypocrisy. At the root, we really don't give a shit what color Blade is. We care about whether the movie is entertaining or a waste of time. The problem is that when you assholes interject your agenda, you pollute the whole process, as well as the end product. It ain't about race, until you make it so and your efforts to right perceived wrongs is just stroking your own narcissism. You people think you're enlightened but you really have no intellect whatsoever. You just shit in the pool and ruin it for everybody.
shareYou are full of shit! The batman was considered a good film yet you guys bitched and moaned about Kravitz as Catwoman. You are a bigot and an idiot. Notice how you don't respond when I debunk your points? Quit boot licking you stupid simp.
shareThe hypocrisy is stunning but not surprising. A post made about whitewashing with a slew of films going back 100 years almost deemed problematic and racist. Then we're told race doesn't matter with a character when making Catwoman black. I don't care either, but the goalposts are moving all over the place.
shareNo it is exposing a double standard. Changing a character's race isn't racist when the race isn't essential. That goes both ways.
shareSo, none of the films on the racist whitewashing list you linked to have characters listed that race isn't essential and therefore ok and not racist whitewashing?
shareNot all of them, some of the character's race was essential. Look I will throw a bone to you. Swapping Cleopatra is stupid. That's a historical figure. I would be opposed to making Lincoln black. In that case the race is essential in Catwoman's case it is not. Got it?
shareRegardless of what you or I think the standard practice in film and tv is whenever possible replace white characters fictional or historical with black or brown actors and never do the reverse.
shareYeah no. My whitewashing lists proves otherwise.
shareOne is good one is bad. Everyone knows the backlash you get. Some have had to pull out of projects. That's the standard today.
shareNope. So answer the question are you not allowed to interpret a fictional character differently or are you limited to one specific portrayal? In the case of Catwoman there are hundreds of comics to choose from. So who decides what's canon you?
shareQuite simply these days of the original character is a person of color they should remain a person of color. A character that is originally white can be white but also any other race or ethnicity. We know this from the backlash. Or the lack of backlash.
shareNope otherwise the swapping of Tiger Lily in Pan wouldn't have occurred. So um come again? To act like whitewashing was over 20 years old simply isn't true. That's deceptive from people like you.
shareI'm talking about the mindset behind race swapping. Change from white to black good. Black to white bad.
shareWhat did I say originally? If the race isn't essential you can interpret it how you want to. If you want a white Blade go for it. You didn't hear me defend the Cleopatra swap. Although see your group doesn't like anything other than whites being represented. Which is why you guys got all upset about into the spider verse being a success. Even though Miles Morales has always been mixed. So what happened to make your own character?
Funny then why are there constant complaints about Kravitz playing Catwoman?
shareIf you enjoy beating up on moviefanatic505 then more power to you, I agree it’s fun, but keep in mind he doesn’t even believe his own bullshit. It’s his life mission to think the complete opposite of whatever I think. If I came out in support of oxygen he’d be in favor of carbon dioxide. He’s a very disturbing yet immature individual.
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