Nimrods in Florida want to indoctrinate kids that Africans benefitted from slavery? - Politics Discussion

[–] elcamino (15540) 2 years ago

Well if you looked at the wholesale slaughter of each other they were doing in Africa. Then some would say slavery was needed to get them to get progressed into improvement in life.

reply

[–] Information-Police (4896) 2 years ago

There was a lot of wholesale slaughter in Europe and the America's, too, don't forget.

reply

[–] elcamino (15540) 2 years ago

That on a scale end before the US began though. It is still going on in Africa now though.

The attack late Saturday in the village of Nyakova on the banks of Lake Albert in the province of Ituri, left the soldier’s wife, in-laws, and two of his children dead, said Lt Jules Ngongo, a spokesperson for the army in Ituri province, where the killings took place.

Eight other children were among those also killed by the unidentified soldier.

reply

[–] Information-Police (4896) 2 years ago

What does that have to do with skills benefitting slaves?

reply

[–] elcamino (15540) 2 years ago

Slavery thought them not to kill each other till after slavery ended. Then they can go back to wholesale slaughtering each other wherever they are at.

reply

[–] Information-Police (4896) 2 years ago

The masters just killed them if they tried to leave to benefit themselves with the skills they had been taught.

reply

[–] Rorikon (18389) 2 years ago

Oh yeah? And how'd that work out?

reply

[–] Rorikon (18389) 2 years ago

https://youtu.be/NTqWgCyFwVg
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/jesse-watters-defends-florida-history-curriculum-they-are-teaching-how-black-people-developed-skills-during-slavery/

He will.

reply

[–] BeaSouth (3563) 2 years ago

I read somewhere that this is completely fabricated b.s. I believe the source that this is fabricated is actually CNN

reply

[–] BeaSouth (3563) 2 years ago

Here was the source that this is fabricated. It was a CNN on air contributor from the conservative perspective:

https://headtopics.com/us/cnn-panelist-calls-out-vp-harris-over-completely-made-up-florida-slavery-curriculum-claim-41465196

- “This is a completely made-up deal. I looked at the standards, I even looked at an analysis of the standards, in every instance where the word slavery or slave was used. I even read the statement of the African American scholars that wrote the standards. Everybody involved in this says this is completely a fabricated issue.”

- Critics claim the curriculum portrays slavery as “beneficial” to black people. The word “beneficial,” however, does not appear anywhere in the document in relation to slavery. Their issue is with one sentence that reads, “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.”

reply

[–] Information-Police (4896) 2 years ago

Yes that is the part that is objectionable. How could slaves used any skills they were taught to their personnel benefit.

reply

[–] BeaSouth (3563) 2 years ago

I read the book American Race by liberal law professor Roy L. Brooks, an African American scholar and Yale law school graduate. His theory was that civil rights laws had actually left black people with a lower standard of living. He called for a new targeted form of government intervention combined with black self help. He made the case by extolling many examples where 1950’s racial segregation had actually benefitted black communities not least of which was the development of a black professional class by sheer necessity. This was before the time of polemics and exaggerated soundbites when people could rationally discuss both sides of an issue. Today, I guess our moronic discourse would sum it up like, “Uncle Tom law professor wants to indoctrinate students that Jim Crowe benefitted blacks….”

reply

[–] Information-Police (4896) 2 years ago

Do you believe that the governments in the US need to acknowledge the atrocities it committed against Black people for allowing slavery and then sanctioning racial segregation and apologize for these acts. And that the government should make material reparations to Black people for these crimes?

Because Roy L. Brooks does.

reply

[–] BeaSouth (3563) 2 years ago

Well, you’re changing subjects. My initial reaction is to reject your premise about an absence of official government apologies for slavery or recognition of its atrocities. Although it did not pay monetary reparations, the Florida government (at issue in this thread) did so in 2008 via a Republican controlled House, Senate, and Governor’s office. I know this because I lived in the state having been born and raised there. It passed unanimously and the Governor was physically present when the resolution - including examples of horrific atrocities - was read aloud in a silent House chamber in which the Speaker ordered all members to be present in their seats. I encourage you to watch the old news reports on YouTube as it was an important event in the state.

On your new subject, I am not sure what I believe on the issue of reparations. I’ve heard those opposed say that reparations have been paid in the form of trillions of dollars in social welfare programs (fully conceding they help poor whites and poor blacks in equal percentages). My sense is that I might support reasonably calculated reparations if it would extinguish the interminable racial strife and violence and state-sanctioned racial preferences in the other direction. But I will be completely candid that based on the histrionic reactions I’ve seen from you and others on this site, I’m gun shy about being labeled a racist or “nimrod” or hating Black people if I come to a contrary opinion after studying the subject.

reply

[–] Information-Police (4896) 2 years ago

I didn't really want to debate reparations but you brought up Roy Brooks as an authority. I just wanted to know if you really consider him to be an authority or if he just wrote some particular thing that you agreed with. But thank you for your thoughtful reply.

Getting back to your original comment regarding Brooks, it had nothing to do with the idea that slaves used skills they were taught to personally benefit themselves.

reply

[–] BeaSouth (3563) 2 years ago

My point about Brooks was that he could make a counterintuitive observation about the benefits of racial segregation to black people and not be hit with ad hominems in the days before knee jerk cancel culture. I know you understood the analogy. I appreciate this exchange with you. I’m a conservative but I am willing to listen to my fellow citizen.

reply

[–] Information-Police (4896) 2 years ago

Thank you. It's nice to have a civil conversation.

I think the assertion that segregation provided benefits to the Black community is similar to the claim that slavery had benefits for some slaves: both statements leave unsaid the second half, which is, "because white people can be so damned racist."

Kind of like an abused woman saying, "My husband is a good man because he doesn't best me on the Lord's day."

Maybe Brooks addresses this.

reply

[–] B1cKsurN (17826) 2 years ago

Every story like this, I just expect this pattern to follow...

1. Media lies about curriculum.
2. WH reacts. Runs with lie.
3. Media then says there is backlash.
4. Media calls thing they create a controversy.

The playbook gets old and tired.

________________________
Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people.
Leftists always lie.
Wokeness is Weakness.

reply

[–] Corbell (11002) 2 years ago

You really should add, in step 3 or 4, "calls anyone who points out the truth, a racist".

reply