I certainly believe it is, and if I were a white American, I'd want to distance myself from anything and anyone, including any institution, that had a role in trying to maintain it, especially if that institution was specifically created with the specific purpose of upholding slavery.
I am a leftist and a liberal, and thus very VERY anti-racism and anti-KKK, after all.
Are *you*? π€π
You are still engaging in your nauseating virtue signalling I see.
In The Republic, a slave is noticed thinking for themselves. The philosophers are so astonished that they can only conclude the slave was reincarnated from a free individual. The book is a major discussion on the concept of western democracy and the perfect society.
shareNope. If it were the greatest evil we wouldn't still be doing it in the 21st century. Lots of child labor still going around to sex slaves, etc. It's all part of the human experience and nature itself.
shareWhat are you doing to fight the slavery that exists today?
Nothing I bet. Quit living in the past. Stop being a goddamned racist.
Every race has been enslaved, get the fuck over it. Slavic people(that are white), were the first known slaves in current human history, and were literally named after it.
Anti-racism is just racism with extra steps.
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"Every race has been enslaved"
Not really. Throughout most of human history, criminals, debtors and war captors were enslaved. It was usually temporary and they still had basic rights and could own property, marry, move up in position, etc..
White Europeans created a race-based slavery which was a entirely different level of evil. Blacks weren't considered human, had no rights, couldn't own property, not marry, kids not their own, they could be beaten tortured and killed without consequence, and it was inherited slavery.
Racists need to stop attempting to justify the Atlantic Slave trade. Are you going to justify the Holocaust and land theft of America next?
Only a racist is against anti-racism aka: the active attempt to end racism.
Racism exists in every country. Just sayin....
And just so you know, 3000 black people owned 12000 slaves in America. Native Americans owned slaves too.
It's a stain on human history that sadly, still happens today. Pounding the race/slavery drum in America doesn't really accomplish anything.
You don't know history.
30% of Southern whites owned slaves except in Mississippi and South Carolina where it was 50%. 3 million enslaved black people - 1/3 in the South! 0 enslaved whites.
Yes, whites tried to divide and conquer Native-Americans and African-Americans by encouraging the former to practice slavery and to be brutal against blacks. But, it backfired because Native-Americans were kinder, believed racism was stupid, and eventually intermarried and allowed blacks to join their tribes. Some joined together to fight racist whites.
"Black Indians: A Hidden Heritage" by William Loren Katz
https://socialequity.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/8.10.20.pdf
Rich whites attempted to divide and conquer white indentured servants and black slaves who joined together to runaway or fight their oppressor. But after Bacon's Rebellion, unlike Native-Americans, poor whites stupidly joined forces with their own oppressors against blacks.
"How the South Won the Civil War: Oligarchy, Democracy, and the Continuing Fight for the Soul of America"
by Heather Cox Richardson
"American Character: A History of the Epic Struggle Between Individual Liberty and the Common Good" by Colin Woodard
https://colinwoodard.com/books/american-character/
American slavery was an evil institution created by whites, for whites. Everything else is your mental gymnastics.
Something else you never learned:
The American South was an oligarchy whereas the North was a democracy. Rich slave-owning oligarchs gained their vast wealth from slavery. That top 1% believed they were the only ones entitled to rule, had rights and should be allowed to exploit everyone else. Only rich were allowed to run for office, vote, and none to few public schools existed since their kids had private schools and the lower classes paid taxes.
Northern public school enrolled: 60-90% Southern: 10-15%
There were rich whites who wanted to enslave poor whites, also. It was always about controlling the masses aka: underclass, from uprising and exploiting them since the top 1% were outnumbered.
Stupid people don't read history books. White racism and supremacy are ongoing problems. History tells you how we ended up here and how to solve the problem. Not addressing the problem won't solve it which benefits you since you're a racist who wants to continue your white-skinned privilege. It appears you don't have anything else.
You believe it's only a racial issue instead of understanding that it was always a race, class and gender issue.
This only represents 1% of the entire history of slavery. We all know your racist ass doesn't care about the other 99% of the history. So give it up.
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The descendants of the 1% are still suffering from ongoing systemic racism and white supremacy.
shareIn the USA the main ethnic group that enslaved black people were ethnic celtic people. In today's world most ethnic celtic people virtue signal their anti-racism and also whenever a black person is friends with a non-black person that black person is friends with a celtic person so from the perspective of a non-celtic european american there is not any racism problem in the USA. If the primary ethnic group that enslaved black people is also that primary ethnic group that acts like they are not racist then what are non-celtic european americans supposed to do?
shareThat's doubtful. Early Irish weren't considered white and were poor and oppressed. Scots were a smaller group in the U.S. than WASPs.
African-Americans carry the surnames of their family's slave owners in which most are WASPy.
Most Common Black Last Names in the United States:
https://namecensus.com/last-names/common-black-surnames/
The surnames on that list are celtic surnames and are common amongst celtic people. Are you being dumb?
If you believe that celtic people did not enslave black people then that actually means that all of black people's complaining about "white" people getting high status jobs and black people wanting to usurp those "white" people from their high status jobs is moot. An example; Black people want to usurp "white" actors in hollywood but most all of those "white" actors are ethnic celtic people, very few hollywood actors are germanic persons(because germanic people cannot act).
Since you believe that celtic people did not enslave black people that means you believe that celtic people should not be punished with affirmative action(and they aren't) and that only germanic males are the target of affirmative action. So there isn't any racism problems in the USA from your perspective.
Everybody owned slaves. It's cheap labor. The landowners originally used indentured servants but they were eventually freed and deemed to be too expensive. The landowners in the Americas were able to get the African tribes of slavers to sell their slaves to the slave traders. White people cannot be blamed for slavery since every race participated in slavery as owners, sellers or slaves. There was also a very strong abolitionist movement that sought to end the practice of slavery and many of the abolitionists were white people.
https://www.havefunwithhistory.com/famous-abolitionists/
https://www.havefunwithhistory.com/black-slave-owners/
Don't forget that a lot of slave owners freed their slaves. Sally Hemmings had the opportunity to stay in Europe as a free woman but she made a deal with Thomas Jefferson to return to the US as a slave. I'm sure most of the slave owners were brutally harsh but I think there were some slave owners who were benevolent.
https://www.monticello.org/sallyhemings/
https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-primary-source/bond-manumission-slave-1757
https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/to-forever-set-free-the-manumission-of-robert-green.htm
The Dahomey tribe in Benin was a large slaver tribe and they practiced human sacrifice. It has been argued that being a slave in the US was better than being sacrificed in Benin.
https://bahamianology.com/800-slaves-sacrificed-in-tribute-on-the-death-of-gezo-the-great-slave-king-of-dahomey-1858/
http://www.slaveryimages.org/s/slaveryimages/item/1579
http://www.slaveryimages.org/s/slaveryimages/item/2125
Indentured servants were NOT slaves.
You're attempting to justify slavery which is vile. Will you justify the Holocaust next?
You don't know history, therefore I'll educate you! Africans didn't sell their slaves. Slaves were made up of criminals, war captives and debtors. They still had rights, allowed property, were able to marry and have children as well as move up in society and eventually be freed.
Portugal wanted African slaves after the Slavs created better defense for themselves and the Indigenous Americans either died or ran off on the territory they knew.
Portugal offered riches to different African Empires and kingdoms. This prompted Africans to go to war with each other and obtain and sell war captives to the Portuguese. The Portuguese became greedy and wanted to control the slave trade. This eventually destroyed the empires and kingdoms and depopulated parts of Africa.
Atlantic Trade slavery was the most brutal mainly because blacks had no rights, it was for life and their children born into slavery. Also, the legacy of slavery still exists today in continuing systemic racism and white supremacy.
There are no good American slave owners. Jefferson was a hypocrite, racist and rapist. Men like Jefferson and the Founding Fathers were basically oligarchs who believed only rich white men should rule and everyone else could be exploited. The Bill of Rights only applied to oligarchs when they wrote it. Originally, the only people allowed to vote were rich white men.
I never said that indentured servants were slaves.
I'm not justifying slavery. I merely pointed out to you and other viewers of the thread that slavery existed EVERYWHERE. Rich people didn't want to pay a living wage then or NOW.
I haven't seen any evidence of Portugal trading in "Slavs". I've only seen evidence of "Slavs" being enslaved by Muslims in North Africa and Spain. African kingdoms would have fought each other without the influence of the Portuguese. You are blaming Europeans for the problems of Africa.
Systemic racism and white supremacy do not exist in the USA. The USA is a multicultural society that offers legal protections for people of all races, genders and creeds.
You cannot judge people of prior periods by today's standards. The Bill of Rights was revolutionary for its time since most of the world was governed by monarchies. The USA was the first modern democracy and influenced other countries to embrace democracy. The only people allowed to vote were landowners so a lot of poor white people could not vote. Also, women also did not have the right to vote. The USA is a republic and the federal government did not initially have much authority.
While there certainly were brutal slave owners, there were also slave owners who freed their slaves. Sally Hemmings chose to remain a slave in the USA instead of remaining free in Europe.
You don't know history.
Yes, you are justifying slavery. Slavery practiced during the Atlantic Slave Trade was on a whole new level of human atrocity. And their descendants are still subject to white supremacy and racism.
Your denial is typical racist behavior. Do you deny the Holocaust, also? Conservatives don't believe in human rights which is the reason they're attacking LGBTQ individuals, denying pregnant women medical care and mistreating desperate migrants.
Europeans captured Slavs and sold them to Muslims. Some Europeans had Muslim slaves, too.
To clarify, Slavs were never an option for Portugal. The Portuguese wanted MILLIONS of slaves from Africa to work in the Americas. MILLIONS!!!! The riches they offered African kings destabilized Africa with warfare, depopulation and destruction. Furthermore, Portugal destroyed the trade routes which existed throughout the continent for thousands of years because they wanted to control it. The Portuguese attacked the coastal Kilwa Kingdom to get rid of the middleman for control!!
Europeans destroyed African and American kingdoms and empires.
The Iroquois Confederacy had a democracy long before the slave-holding oligarchs copied some of their concepts.
Some oligarchs decided they wanted to rule instead of obey monarchs. Democracy was originally intended only for them. The rich believe they are entitled to exploit the lower classes. Still do. Before America, the majority of Europeans starved as serfs. They were shorter and malnourished compared to the Indigeneous people on the Eastern coast.
You don't understand how the elite maintain power which is the reason you'll always be exploited by them. Their main strategy is divide and conquer. It was used in the Americas and Africa to destroy both continents.
It's successfully used in the U.S. now. White indentured servants and black slaves were both maltreated. They joined together to runaway and fight rich people. After Bacon's Rebellion, laws were rewritten to create a wedge between those whites and blacks by giving indentured servants more rights and blacks none. This caused whites to choose race over class. That same strategy is used today by rich conservatives. Read "Dying of Whiteness: How the Politics of Racial Resentment Is Killing America's Heartland" by Jonathan M. Metzl.
Sally Hennings was a naive 14-year-old repeatedly raped by a 40-year-old slave owner. Do you really want to defend that?
I know way more about history than you ever learned.
I NEVER justified slavery. I've also never denied slavery or the holocaust. I want to make sure that the viewers of this thread realize that slavery happened all over the world and it was not based on race. Don't make baseless accusations against me. You cannot win an actual debate so you have to attack my character. Shame on you! You are EVIL!
Africa was already destabilized before the Portuguese arrived. Africa did not have Christianity so they practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism. There were established slave trade routes in Africa before the Atlantic Slave Trade. There was a Trans-Saharn slave trade, Red Sea Slave Trade and an Indian Ocean Slave Trade.
https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/understanding-long-run-effects-africas-slave-trades
The Iroquois did NOT have a democracy since their chiefs were hereditary leaders much like Kings and Queens of Europe. It's true that the colonists were inspired by some of the Native American federalist concepts BUT their documents were not the primary backbone of the founding of the USA.
https://www.history.com/news/iroquois-confederacy-influence-us-constitution * Iroquois NOT a democracy *
Your whole theory of oligarchs sounds like it was pulled from the nonsensical 1619 Project. The 1619 Project has been disproven my many historians so I don't buy any of the woke nonsense from that NYT article.
Indentured servants were from Africa and Europe. Indentured servants were supposed to be freed after a certain time period. The Anthony Johnson case was famous due to a black landowner arguing successfully that his indentured servant should not be freed from his contract. Don't bother recommending any more of your woke books. I only rely on reputable sources. Sally Hemmings was sixteen when she agreed to return to slavery and several states presently allow sixteen-year-olds to get married.
https://edu.lva.virginia.gov/dbva/items/show/126
You've been indoctrinated with white supremacist mythology instead of true and complete history. Dismissing contributions from POC as "woke" and defending slavery demonstrates that.
"woke" = not racist and aware of injustice
To be against woke means you support racism, injustice and bigotry.
" it was not based on race."
Atlantic slave trade was abased on race!!!!!
"Africa...."
Your watching Tarzan movies has nothing to do with history.
The Portuguese attacked the coastal Kilwa Kingdom to get rid of the middleman for control!!
"Africa did not have Christianity"
First Christians in Africa appeared in 1AD in Egypt! King Lalibela built 12 churches carved out of rock in Ethiopia built before European cathedrals. He's a saint.
Africa had Christianity, Judaism, Islam along with their own religions before Europeans introduced slavery.
The largest library was in Timbuktu with hundreds of thousands of books.
Many slaves were Muslim and literate unlike some of the Europeans who were enslaving them.
Approximately 1/3 of enslaved Africans in the antebellum South came from predominantly Islamic parts of West Africa.
https://www.voanews.com/a/america-s-first-muslims-were-slaves/4763323.html
"Iroquois did NOT have a democracy"
Wrong. Both House officially recognized the Iroquois Confederacy of Nations contribution to democracy.
"H.Con.Res.331 - A concurrent resolution to acknowledge the contribution of the Iroquois Confederacy of Nations to the development of the United States Constitution and to reaffirm the continuing government-to-government relationship between Indian tribes and the United States established in the Constitution.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/100th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/331
https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/hconres331.pdf
"Sally Hemmings was sixteen when she agreed to return to slavery"
LOL!! Let's pretend an underage, female slave had a choice against a powerful oligarch and political leader.
Continue to defend slavery like a good white supremacist.
While I know actual history, your feeble mind has been overtaken by woke madness. Once again, I have NEVER defended slavery but I
did want to point out that it has existed all over the world throughout history.
Woke has several components and one of them is anti-racism. Anti-racism advocates present and future discrimination in order to make
up for past discrimination. Two wrongs do not make a right and present and future discrimination should be illegal.
The Atlantic Slave Trade was not based on race. Africans sold their own people to the slave traders and freed African-Americans even
owned slaves in the colonies and the USA.
I have actually traveled to multiple Southern African countries so I know quite a lot about Africa. I've also attended parties by friends and co-workers who were from East Africa and West Africa. I don't believe I've even watched a Tarzan movie.
I should have typed that Sub-Saharan Africa was dominated by traditional religions. The Portugues did bring missionaries with them and
made efforts to convert the West Africans to Christianity.
https://www.globalblackhistory.com/portuguese-catholic-missionaries-mbanza-kongo-africa/ * Portugues Missionaries *
Traditional African religions involved voodoo, juju and various forms of sacrifice. Christianity was a positive force in the world since
it eliminated the ritual sacrifice of animals and humans. Various pagan rituals in Europe involved animal and human sacrifice. Voodoo was never totally abandoned and there are still human sacrifices TODAY.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Vodou
https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/the-essence-of-african-traditional-religion/
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-29599158 * Juju witchcraft *
https://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/04/19/mandela.muti/index.html
While the Iroquois confederacy did influence the founding fathers, the US founding documents were not copied from the Iroquois. The
Iroquois confederacy was not a democracy since their leaders were hereditary chiefs and their society was tribal. Politifact determined in the link below that the assertion that the USA learned about democracy from the Iroquois is MOSTLY FALSE!
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/dec/02/facebook-posts/viral-meme-says-constitution-owes-its-notion-democ/
I have posted enough on this thread. I have never defended slavery and I am not a white supremacist.
"The Atlantic Slave Trade was not based on race."
ok.
Every race has been enslaved at some point in history.
Yes, really.
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Not really. Race-based slavery and it's continuing legacy of systemic racism and white supremacy are still destroying the lives of black people. The race-based hierarchy still exists.
shareYou can't end racism.
It's a built-in feature of all humans.
Trying to end it is a forever-battle with no victory conditions. Fuck that. Everyone should just admit everyone is capable of being a racist, and lets move on as a species please.
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You can't end prejudice which is a built-in feature. Racism is different and can be ended since it only began around 500 years ago.
Excellent book about the history of racism:
The Myth of Race: The Troubling Persistence of an Unscientific Idea Paperback by Robert Wald Sussman
Slavery existed all over the world so I agree with the previous poster that every race has been enslaved. Europeans were enslaved by the Vikings and Barbary Coast Pirates. Japan even had slavery. Europe even had serfdom for a long time and I would consider that to be similar to slavery. Rome even had three slave uprisings that were called the Servile Wars. Africans kept slaves and even sold them to European slave traders.
https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-africa/white-slaves-barbary-002171
https://www.history.com/news/viking-slavery-raids-evidence
https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=resources&s=war-dir&f=wars_servile
http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9510/ghana_slavery/
Anti-racism advocated present discrimination to remedy past discrimination so many disagree with this evil philosophy. Two wrongs don't make a right!
https://mercatornet.com/can-we-really-cure-racist-discrimination-by-antiracist-discrimination/81770/
Atlantic slave trade which was race-based and inherited denying all human rights to black people is completely different and it's legacy is on-going in the form of today's systemic racism and white supremacy for their descendants.
shareWrong. Jews were not considered human also, but that doesn't fit your anti-white, racist, antisemitic narrative.
You are a proven liar and a hypocrite who does her best to keep racism alive and kicking, daily
Egyptian slaves had it worse....
I hope you're not mistaken the "10 Commandments" movie for history.
shareNo about 1000 years of documentation before the movie.
I hope you're not mistaken the Bible for history.
Who were the slaves?
Jewish people were once slaves
Parts of italy were taken over and forced into slave labor.
China has a history of slavery
Russia
The persians and ghengis Khan had slave societies.
Irish and Scottish
Jews were never enslaved as a specific group. They were persecuted for their religion, but the topic is slavery.
Historically, slaves were criminals, war captives and debtors. Atlantic slavery was race-based.
That's because they were the enslavers and you mad at Jim Bob from the trailer park like he had anything to do with it
share"Jewish people were once slaves"
I was replying to this comment.
Majority of African-Americans carry the surnames of their families enslavers. Those names are WASPy, not Jewish.
https://namecensus.com/last-names/common-black-surnames/
I'm still trying to learn when Jewish people were once slaves.
Only the Roman galleys treated their slaves as badly as the US enslavers. There is another example that escapes me, but Egyptians were less harsh to their slaves.
shareSlavery is the product of psychopath psychology not from racism. A person could be racist but be able to feel emotions. The only people who could own another person as a slave are psychopath persons. A person who can feel real emotions would never be able to own a person as a slave because of their emotions.
Most all american liberals are psychopaths. Psychopath american liberals(and other psychopaths) want people to believe that slavery comes from racism because american liberals know that american liberals are psychopaths. Any psychopath can stand up in public and say that they are anti-racist but they are still a psychopath so they are still the people who have the psychology that people who enslave have.
The specific ethnicity of the people who owned black people as slaves in the USA was ethnic celtic people. Celtic people who enslaved black people did not have any feeling of hate or love for their black slaves, celtic people just view people as objects to manipulate because ethnic celtic people are psychopaths. Most all celtic people(including liberal celtic people) in today's world say that they are not racist and they are telling the truth because psychopath people are not actually racist.
If you transported american liberals back to a time when slavery was legal, american liberals would own slaves because liberals are psychopaths and all it takes to own a person as a slave is to have the psychopath psychology.
Psychopathy is innate, not learned.
shareA long long long time ago when societies were 1st starting and these cultures started to travel.
Sometimes they would come across large societies that were completely out of control.
They looked at them as barbarians. When they found these lower end societies they would find them releasing human waste in their water source.
Men would physically attack and take women.
It was a very poor and ruthlessly society.
So the more advanced civilization feel like it's their obligation to civilize these people.
So they are very easy to enslave and make work.
Advanced civilizations needed large slave operations to build their infrastructure.
"Advanced civilizations needed large slave operations to build their infrastructure. "
That's the real reason.
Everything else you mentioned is only justification for exploiting other human beings.
When advanced civilizations come across others that have shown zero progress In over 1000 years they feel its they obligation to civilize them.
Democrats enjoy this..they like taking on little majorities as pets and civilize them. Then they can show off their work and say look I taught this animal proper hygiene, proper speech, how to dress.
I think it's called manifest destiny.
Nah! Justification for exploiting other human beings. That's all.
It's called greed is good.