This is really an excellent example of how something is introduced to the public conversation that never actually needed to be; Now you have "experts" weighing in, saying they're "ready to go electric." It's amazing that the general public is dumb enough to fall for this shit.
"experts" weighing in, saying they're "ready to go electric."
Breathe in all the toxins you want. Why should we care if you don't?
shareHow long til “expert on everything” Bill Gates weighs in. And when do we find out he makes electric stoves.
It's extremely stupid for two reasons:
1.) For years experts have said that natural gas burns clean and doesn't pollute hardly at all.
2.) Our electric grid, (particularly in CA) is already strained, and yet they want us to go fully electric with stoves and cars.
Plus, the entire subject was only brought up to distract the public from Sleepy Joe getting caught illegally keeping classified documents in his possession.
> A new study found that one in eight cases of childhood asthma is caused by exposure to gas stoves.
> CDC says there's 25 million cases of childhood asthma in the United States.
That's a little over 3 million children afficted with childhood asthma due to gas stoves.
I think the dumb one are Republicans that knee-jerk against anything someone tells them is woke, and who are crap at math. You dumb Repubicans are so up in arms about fake charges of child-molestation and abuse, but you don't care if they get asthma.
I'd go electric as soon as I figure out how to remodel my whole kitchen. Why would you want to breathe poison just to prove a point - it's your point that doesn't need to be expressed.
I read that “new study.” They just collected data on the extent to which gas stoves were used and the rates of childhood asthma in a handful of cities without doing any kind of experiment to prove the stove was the cause. The authors even conceded to relying on the colossal assumption that other asthma risk factors were absent from the home such as exposure to tobacco smoke, a far more obvious culprit.
So the study assembled no data on how often the child resided in the house, how often the child was in the vicinity of the stove, or how much the gas stove was even used. Thus, the study absolutely did not say, “Remove gas stoves and you will prevent 1 out of 8 cases of childhood asthma” because it couldn’t. The effort was far too superficial for empirical conclusions.
It's a bit of a complex mathematical process that Republicans probably cannot understand, called statistical correlation. Plus, I also dounbt you read the study or understood it if you did.
shareI read the study Brux. And your resort to condescension only gives the appearance you can’t defend it on substance. I agree that population attributable fraction estimates involve esoteric computational formulas. Anyone - regardless of political affiliation - can misunderstand the results especially when the authors contribute to the confusion. When they said things like, “Indoor gas stove use for cooking is associated with an increased risk of current asthma among children,” they gave the impression you can equate the PAF estimate to a percentage of childhood asthma cases truly caused by gas stoves. A population attributable fraction does not enable epidemiologists to discriminate those cases caused by the risk factor under consideration from those that are not.
shareI read the same stuff you did, and I am on the side of those who brought it to the public's attention. You are like those who defended lead in glass, or cigarettes, or speak against doing anything to alleviate climate change. They always throw question on the facts when we know what the facts are. You are just willing to either inhale these gases yourself, or more likely force it on other people ... based on what?
It's always freedom, you think everyone should have the freedom to poisoned by our system instead of being able to rsearch, find out, and then want to do something about the things we've been doing for decades that we now find out are hurting people.
You pretend to care about peolpe in ways that do not matter, and are against doing anything that might cost money.
> “Indoor gas stove use for cooking is associated with an increased risk of current asthma among children,” they gave the impression you can equate the PAF estimate to a percentage of childhood asthma cases truly caused by gas stoves.
No they don't, that is purely your projection. They don't have all the specifics yet, because it is a complicated problem, like computing damage done to people who lived by freeways by leaded gas coming from exhaust. You only seek to do nothing so there are no public rights or costs involved.
There are now even more reasons to phase out appliances that use natural gas and vent the exhaust into people's living environments.
The leading contributors to preventable death in the US are smoking and obesity. According to the American Lung Association 18% of adults with asthma in the US also smoke cigarettes. Tobacco kills more than 480,000 people in the US annually. That’s more than AIDS, alcohol, car accidents, illegal drugs, murders and suicides combined. Tobacco use costs the US over $241 billion in health care costs and nearly $365 billion in lost productivity each year. According to the CDC, 1 in 5 children in the US are obese. It also reports that obesity prevalence in the US was 41.9% from 2017- 2020 with annual medical costs in 2019 at nearly $173 billion.
Cancer.org reports that 45% of cancer deaths are from potentially preventable causes such as cigarette smoking, excess body weight, alcohol intake, physical inactivity, and unhealthy diet. If we’re going to treat the country’s collective health like a math problem then I suggest we focus on the largest issues first.
Yup, people die from other things, and their health problems are not all caused by gas stoves ... no one said they were.
shareYou're so up in arms about asthma from gas stoves, but I don't see any posts about smoking or obesity. They pose an overwhelmingly larger threat to the health of the country's children. Your concern for children's health seems insincere, or maybe your math skills are just crap.
shareBrux views everything in the world as the product of political affiliation. When you challenge his posts - no matter how respectful - he devolves to sarcasm and ad hominems.
shareWhy don't you stick to saying what you believe, better, instead of the confused nonsense you put in your comments.
I can speak for myself, and if you want to know how I view things, ask me, do think you can speak for anyone but yourself, because you can't do even that very well.
Ironic post considering you’re the one who routinely attributes words (or beliefs) into other peoples posts to avoid addressing substance. Your formula: (1) post something controversial knowing others will have contrary opinions, (2) add in the sneering partisan taunt to set the hook, (3) react to any post that cites contrary facts by demonizing the other person and attributing disagreeable opinions to them so you can dismiss and flex
shareOh so now that a real child molestation event takes place with a gay government worker and a gay banker with their adopted sons its suddenly Conservatives that go up in arms over Fake Sex Crime Charges? You liberals are pathetic.
shareAluminum foil use is more hazardous than a gas stove use.
https://youtu.be/s9nYMGkLvc0
“It’s not happening. They’re not going to take your gas stoves. We’d never gaslight you” - The Democrat media/party at ABCNNBCBS.
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