What happens when Ukraine becomes a member of NATO?
Are we gonna nuke Russia or what?
Not our fight, none of our business. No money or weapons should have been wasted on it.
shareWell you can read my take on Ukraine in any number of posts here that barely anyone from either side will touch. A little more nuanced that maybe what you are asking for blood and guts. I really hope the European countries have enough sense to follow the NATO rules and not admit Ukraine. Ukraine is not worth what everyone has already paid for it, let alone the destruction of the world. I am not willing to pay any more for gas or the cost of living to save little green grotty T-shirt man, and I would not care at all if Putin lost his job either.
share"I am not willing to pay any more for gas or the cost of living to save little green grotty T-shirt man"
No one is asking you to. 44 million people live(d) in Ukraine. If Zelensky was killed tomorrow it wouldn't change a thing.
Over 60 billion dollars have been sent or earmarked to be sent to Ukraine.
It will only end up killing more Ukrainians and destroying more of Ukraine,
as well as wrecking any hopes of safety or democracy for Ukrainians living
in the various areas of Ukraine.
Why do mention talk about killing Zelensky. I certainly said nothing of that
sort, and it proves that people on your side of this issue discuss it in the
most dishonest way.
You're the one that brought Zelensky up, not me. Why does it matter if you like Zelensky or not? Your attempt to pretend if they are somehow morally equivalent is disgusting. Kicking Putin out of Ukraine and preventing him from ever doing the same thing again in Moldova, Georgia, Kazakhstan, or anywhere else, is more than sufficient reason to spend the resources.
shareUS intelligence knows that not only can Russia not "do the same thing in -", but there is no plan or desire. Russia only moved on Ukraine because of continued shelling and murder of ethnic Russians in the Donbas - for 8 years.
I never said mentioned Zelensky by name or said that he should die, liar.
You insistence on basis your "pretend disgust" on a bunch of lies and insults is itself disgusting. Your lack of curious and lack of interest in finding out the truth makes anything you say useless ... which explain why you have to troll for this war that is impoverishing Europe and America.
US intelligence knows that not only can Russia not "do the same thing in -", but there is no plan or desire. Russia only moved on Ukraine because of continued shelling and murder of ethnic Russians in the Donbas - for 8 years.
That Donbas shelling excuse is and always was and always will be a bullshit rationalization. Putin wants the oil and natural gas reserves in Ukraine and you would know that if you weren't taking in by the relentlessly Russian propaganda . The only reason Putin isn't going further is because he was stopped. Moldova could have been overrun in a day if Kyiv had fallen and Luka had joined in.
"I never said mentioned Zelensky by name or said that he should die, liar."
First of all, YOU are lying: "little green grotty T-shirt man"... who else is that but Zelesky? Second, I never said you wanted him dead. So, you're the one who is lying, or have a bad memory and are a very poor debater. This is a classic Straw Man Argument - asking me to defend a position I never took. The right of Ukraine to kick Russia out of ALL territory isn't contingent on Zelensky being in the picture, and it never was. The point want quite clear. Your the one who is confused.
"You insistence on basis your "pretend disgust" on a bunch of lies and insults is itself disgusting. Your lack of curious and lack of interest in finding out the truth makes anything you say useless ... which explain why you have to troll for this war that is impoverishing Europe and America."
What lies? All I've done is point out your craven belief system and lack of debating skills. "I would not care at all if Putin lost his job either" sound like bothsidesy moral equivalence to me.
You have real debating skills is denial and insults are debating skills.
shareYou've insulted my intelligence. That's the only insult going on here. I've actually been rather restrained in my language towards you. If I really wanted to insult you believe me, you'd know it. So far, all I've done is call your position "craven" (i.e. cowardly), which is my opinion. You've meanwhile invented a whole fantasy world where I've accused of wanting to kill someone you claimed you never mentioned... even though you obviously did. That's not an opinion.
shareI think it would have been much much better if Putin had decided not to go to war with Ukraine. If he had asked for my advice that's what I would have told him.
It's not a war... A war requires an official declaration, which neither side has done.
shareJust eliminate Moscow.
Problem solved.
After this dirty joke:
Why do you think it's necessary to nuke Russia when Ukraine becomes a NATO-member?
An attack on any NATO country is an attack on all of them.
share...which is one of the reasons why Ukraine cannot become part of NATO until there is a peace agreement with Russia.
sharestickman38 (1716) 2 hours ago
An attack on any NATO country is an attack on all of them.