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if Hitler and the nazis were socialists


why weren't hitler and the nazis aware of this? they

-go to Spain to help the conservatives fight the socialists

https://www.facinghistory.org/holocaust-and-human-behavior/chapter-7/intervention-spain

-ally in both federal and provincial elections with ONLY other conservative parties? never left wing ones?

-kill, imprisons or forces to flee every single socialist party leader? while every single conservative lived their life out in Germany free?

-the vast majority of political prisoners were socialists and commies.

-the word privatize was invented to describe what the nazis did in the 30s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Privatization_and_business_ties

why are all Neo nazis conservative?

its almost like Hitler didnt know he was actually a socialist, and not a right wing reactionary fascist...

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He knew. They were literally called "National Socialist German Workers' Party".

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Hitler had is own definition of 'socialist.' Hitler was ever so slightly to the left of Pat Buchanan, but that did not make him a socialist by any means or by any definition except his own.

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We've been changing definitions the last 10 years, so the little racist Nazi isn't any different.

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Nazi once meant "a member of the Nazi party". Now it means someone who doesn't want to get a vaccine. Society has changed words that they no longer mean anything. Hitler wasn't a socialist by today's standards.

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I doubt you will hear any political scientist define a Nazi by whether he or she takes the vaccine. It MAY be that in the present day people who identify with the Nazi ideology are more likely the ones who don't want to take the vaccine.

Hitler was a nationalist and he was not a socialist by any standards, including Karl Marx's.

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I doubt you will hear any political scientist define a Nazi by whether he or she takes the vaccine.

I agree, that's why I said "society".

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By today's definition or yesterday's definition Hitler was not a socialist.
Society did not consider Hitler a socialist.
An extreme nationalist? Yes.
An authoritarian figure? Yes.
A fascist? Yes.
A socialist? No.
That label was a complete and utter misnomer.

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Cool, so being against Antifa shouldn't mean that someone is pro-fascism.

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No, being against ANTIFA would not meet the criteria for being a fascist. One could be against ANTIFA and still be opposed to the principles of fascism.

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Logical, but many people think otherwise and it's scary.

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Allow me to translate for you....

"Everything is wrong and evil except what I believe"

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Yeah. Notice how Leodicaprio at no point said anything negative about Antifa?

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He's a card carrying member.

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Probably . He absolutely refuses to say even the slightest thing negative about them. When I brought up their violence, he pushed it aside with "all movements do that". I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was a member.

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Yeah, he's a joke.

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FACT: Antifa is fascist. Prove me wrong.

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You don't know the definition of fascism. Prove me wrong.

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"Nazi" still means a member of the "National Socialist German Workers Party". Or "Neo-Nazi" for their modern spin-off groups.

Never heard anyone even insinuate connecting the word Nazi to anti-vaxxers.
That wouldn't even make sense, there's no correlation...not that I can see, anyway.

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If you're Canadian, you've heard it in the last few months.

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There's plenty of correlation.

Germany had mandatory vaccination from 1874-1974. The only time mandatory vaccination requirement was relaxed was during the Nazi years.

Source: https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1524/vfzg.2013.0002/html (in German)

"What could explain the restraint in this important field of public health care? Why, in 1933, did the state give up its previous claims to power in the area of preventive care for the "people's body"? The ongoing debate about the Lübeck vaccination scandal offers a first explanation for the concerns of the time. A second is rooted in Nazi ideology itself, since vaccination posed serious problems from a "racial hygiene" point of view. After all, immunization against diseases strongly contradicts the idea of hardening and selection."


They even made up a little ditty:

"Deutsches Volk, hab‘ nichts mit dem Impfen gemein, / Es ist jeder wahren Gesundheitspflege Hohn, / Und willst Du nicht selbst Dein Totengräber sein, / Dann bekenn‘ Dich entschlossen zur Anti-Vakzi-Nation!"

"German people, have nothing in common with vaccination, / It is a mockery of all true health care, / And if you don't want to be your own gravedigger, / Then decisively profess your allegiance to the Anti-Vakzi Nation!"


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samoanjoe is a clown and resident idiot.

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when i see white people i see racism

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By all definitions, Hitler was an authoritarian fascist.

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and north Korea is literally called "the peoples democratic republic". it must be true right?

"To increase its appeal to larger segments of the population, on the same day as Hitler's Hofbräuhaus speech on 24 February 1920, the DAP changed its name to the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei ("National Socialist German Workers' Party", or Nazi Party).[51][52][d] The word "Socialist" was added by the party's executive committee (at the suggestion of Rudolf Jung), over Hitler's objections,[e] in order to help appeal to left-wing workers.[56]
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its not like Hitler inherited a party already called the "German Workers Party" AND was against adding socialism.. also hitler would never lie or double speak right.. naizs were known for their propagan I mean telling the truth. no politician would lie to win elections. which is when you see all the nazi politicians using socialist rhetoric, months before elections. once they gain absolute power, all such rhetoric disappear

you also added literally nothing. big surprise

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Yes, in politics its pretty common to name things in a misleading way like that.

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you also added literally nothing. big surprise

You're the one who said: "its almost like Hitler didnt know he was actually a socialist". I added that the word "socialist" is in the name of his party, so that means he is aware. Whether you think it's accurate or not is a different story.

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wow you are really this dumb huh? no you didnt add anything. because having socialist in the name as I demonstrated means nothing. care to try again?

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I demonstrated means nothing.

Did you read my last sentence? I'll say it again. Whether you think the definition of "socialist" falls under this category is separate than how he advertised that they were socialist. He may have believed he was socialist but that doesn't necessarily mean that his definition is the same as yours.

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"He may have believed he was socialist but that doesn't necessarily mean that his definition is the same as yours."

great so demonstrate this please. ill wait. apparently you cant read.

"To increase its appeal to larger segments of the population, on the same day as Hitler's Hofbräuhaus speech on 24 February 1920, the DAP changed its name to the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei ("National Socialist German Workers' Party", or Nazi Party).[51][52][d] The word "Socialist" was added by the party's executive committee (at the suggestion of Rudolf Jung), over Hitler's objections,[e] in order to help appeal to left-wing workers.[56]
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You just answered your own question then.

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one of movie chats slowest users lol. "its in da name so hes da socialist"

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why are all Neo nazis conservative?

So because Leodicaprio says it, it's gotta be true, right?

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Your stinging observation of irony will be lost on many. You are a Jedi in this thread

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show me all the left wing Neo nazi groups. I can show you all right right wing ones

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Antifa

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LOLL you just embarrassed yourself. but not surprising with your history.

now get real specific and give me specific example of how antifa are just like the right wing reactionary German party.

ill wait

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https://www.opindia.com/2021/05/antifa-arsonist-gets-four-years-in-prison-for-burning-minneapolis-police-station/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kQrnEdjQWKI

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/antifa-chant-burn-it-down-supreme-court-abortion-ruling-protest-dc

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/08/25/four-indicted-for-allegedly-burning-down-minneapolis-police-station-during-george-floyd-unrest/

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so let me get this straight. they are just like/ very similar to nazi idealogy, a fascist, totalitarian, anti Semitic, conservative reactionary aryan supremacy based ideology because

-1 antifa person set fire to 1 police station

-some blm chanted 'Pigs In A Blanket, Fry 'Em Like Bacon!' KILL THE COPS!

-some antifa in a crowd of thousands shouted "If we don’t get it, burn it down,"

-4 men, with no antifa or blm affiliation burned down a cop station.


so #1 this was about antifa supposedly. now you have half your articles are BLM/ blm related kind.... #2. 1 person taking action, 4 people taking action, and then two different groups chanting something bad. makes them "just like the nazis"?

buddy you are very close to cementing yourself as movie chats dumbest person.

now heres what actual evidence looks like. heres a group similar to nazis

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/08/14/jews-will-not-replace-us-why-white-supremacists-go-after-jews/

-literally seig heiling

-made up of self proclaimed white nationalist

-talking about anti jewish conspiracies (jews will not replace us)

-carrying torches just like the nazis did in mass rallies https://www.facinghistory.org/holocaust-and-human-behavior/chapter-5/night-hitlers-triumph


see the different retard?

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Antifa are an organization who are violent toward groups they feel is their opposition. They claim that white people are a threat to society and often threaten them simply for the colour of their skin. Any view that does not align with theirs will result in violent pushback including getting people fired from their jobs, and burning down places of their work. They also claim that what they're doing is to stop racist when they are the ones who are getting violent for opposing views.

I mean, you call people on this site Nazis all the time when they're not even close to it, so I'm going to use that term loosely as well.

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Antifa is a group who has been violent. lots have. I guess they are all like nazis? anti abortion rally members got violent. just like nazis. pro choice members got violent, just like nazis.

antifas getting abunch of people fired? LOL examples please. that sure sounds like Nazi Germany. you expose something someone has done that is racist, and you get them fired. and thats just just like Nazi Germany LOLL?

antifas threatening white people for being white??!? citation please.

"hey also claim that what they're doing is to stop racist when they are the ones who are getting violent for opposing views."

yes you've said this before. you are just repeating and blathering at this point

SOO if I get this straight. ANTIFAS just like the nazis because theres been violent clashed, and they got some people fired.

you sure showed me!

I mean, you call people on this site Nazis all the time when they're not even close to it, so I'm going to use that term loosely as well.


ive called one person on this site a nazi. and thats Overton.

SO now you are just fucking lying. no wonder you are a scumbag and no one likes you. and nice tuning away from your BS sources. Lol next give me tweets of antifa being mean

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/courts/story/2021-12-06/da-charges-san-diego-los-angeles-antifa-groups-that-violently-countered-p-b-patriot-march


https://torontosun.com/2017/02/11/black-lives-matter-co-founder-appears-to-label-white-people-defects


https://archive.humanevents.com/2019/05/29/twitter-bans-analyst-who-revealed-journalists-antifa-connections/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UxjJPZF4P_s

Antifa is a group who has been violent. lots have.

So I guess that makes it okay, right


SO now you are just fucking lying. no wonder you are a scumbag and no one likes you.

Are you aware of what people are saying about you? Quite a few people think you're mentally ill. And I only know of two people on this site who don't like me, you and one other person who doesn't like anyone on this site.

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"So I guess that makes it okay, right"

where did I say that clown? my point is one thing doesnt make them "just like the nazis" Einstein

apples are red, fire hydrants are red. apples arent fire hydrants. they have to share more than one single trait. which you advent demonstrated at all. I gave ou a perfect sample. a group with similar beliefs and acts, even going as far to march like the nazi, seig hieling and using torches. and you are like "nahhh this other group has been violent, they are just like nazis"

you have not argument. as usual

"Are you aware of what people are saying about you? Quite a few people think you're mentally ill. And I only know of two people on this site who don't like me, you and one other person who doesn't like anyone on this site."

ohhh no you, chilone, craigcuck, Overton and your fellow other right wingers dislike me. whatever will I do?? almost all your political comments get ignored. you arent even important enough to get a response. tis kinda sad. i've seen the comments no one cares about, with the most cringe, try hard anti woke comments everyone else makes too. its begging for attention

you literally abandoned all your arguments. you can take your L now samoanjoe. rekt again

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apples are red, fire hydrants are red. apples arent fire hydrants. they have to share more than one single trait.


They don't have to share more than one similar thing. If someone uses blackface, they're racist. If someone uses the N-word, they're racist. If someone doesn't hire someone because of the colour of their skin, they're racist. They don't have to do more than one thing to be racist.

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you still arent getting it. that can be different aspects of racism. What is sharing one single trait? they can be violent. and arguably not even close to the same level. you arent making sense little Joe. try again!

and for a second time, you've abandoned your nosnse I disproved, and focused on one thing. I wonder what you will bring up next. you lost. its okay. be a man for once on the site.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UxjJPZF4P_s LOL YOU ACTUALLY posted that seriously?

ahhh I remember the famous "night of the sitting with diners" that happened in Germany in 1938. where the nazis were total assholes to innocent people having dinner, and sat with them and yelled at them.

antifa is just like nazis... LOLLL ill keep posting this and embarrassing you for the dumbest fucking post of the day.. thank you

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No matter how many times you Trumptwats insist that ANTIFA is a group of organized individuals it is simply not true...

https://www.counterextremism.com/supremacy/antifa

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he sent me two articles of people chanting bad things. lol they are "just like the nazis" cause they chanted things. do conservatives not know history?

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"Chanting bad things".

You mean calling for the murder of police?

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ya absolutely. but again that doesnt make them "just like the nazis"

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That just says everything right there.

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yes it does. that you ae so fucking stupid. you think examples of violence, makes them
just like the nazis"

you would have to be one of the dumbest people ever to think that.

there are examples of communists, socialists, libertarians, conservatives, liberals ect being violent at rallies and such. that means they are all "just like the nazis"

this is what happens when you dont know what the fuck you are talking about. your re trying to escape from your nonsense and act like you are shocked at my very obvious and accepted statement.

claiming they share one trait means they are the same is utter nonsense

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Look at your responses compared to mine and tell me which one of us doesn't know what we're talking about. Hint: it's the one who keeps saying the other is "fucking stupid" like a child.

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hint, I went to school for poli sci. I have at least a basic understanding of the topic. and saying the shit you did would get you laughed at publicly.

when asked to give me specific traits why they are "just like the nazis"

you gave me
-they are violent at rallies - ya lot are. hardly a nazi trait solely.
-they get people cancelled from their jobs - umm nazis did that?
-they say they are fighting racists but they arent - okay again nazis did that?
-they want to wipe out all white people- nazis def didnt do that but you also ran away form that and didnt give a source
LOLLLLLLL

its pretty clearly who doesnt know what the fuck they are talking about. yes I am calling out your low level intelligence. the fact I insult you doesnt make what I say untrue. thats a fallacy.

try again idiot

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hint, I went to school for poli sci. I have at least a basic understanding.

Adam Sandler went to drama school but he's still a shit actor. You may have basic understanding, but I have advanced understanding. It's proven in the fact that you claim to have studied political science and are unable to have a conversation without swearing and insulting.

which you didnt give a single source for.

You responded quicker than it took to actually read the articles and see the videos.

Getting violent, threatening to kill people especially when one is predominately of a race for having opposing views, is fascism. Nazis are fascists. It doesn't have to be specifically about Jews or even being a political party.

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you have an advanced understand?

because when someone asks you to ive specifics of what makes antifa like the nazis. I get

-they chanted some things
-they were violent
-they say they are anti racist but they are actually racists

advanced understanding? you are fucking delusional.

It's proven in the fact that you claim to have studied political science and are unable to have a conversation without swearing and insulting.


nope that proves nothing thats a fallacy. FTFE is one of the most famous anti flat earth debaters. hes extremely intelligent, knowledgable and constantly swears and insults. you are just trying to find anything that will make your arguments seem better, by playing the victim. it isnt working

You responded quicker than it took to actually read the articles and see the videos.

yes antifa has been violent. again where is the direct evidence they are "just like the nazis"

gishgalloping with multiple articles, not providing a quotation that proves anything, is not an arguement. try again. but with your "super advanced understanding" you know this right?

why didnt I do this in uni! instead of making arguments, citing specific articles and using quotes, I just say "im right, heres 4 articles"

LOL very "advanced understanding"

Getting violent, threatening to kill people especially when one is predominately of a race for having opposing views, is fascism. Nazis are fascists. It doesn't have to be specifically about Jews or even being a political party.

ive asked 4 times now. show me the evidence. show me this mass extermination plan for whites? im waiting?

you also dont know what fascism is.

wow you are fucking stupid buddy

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So let me get this straight, when you said that there are literal Nazis on this site (not one, you pluralized it a while back), you provided no examples of anyone actively calling for an extermination of a race. You provided no examples of anyone who said that they either got violent or would get violent against an entire religious or ethnic group. You provided no examples of them being associated with a white supremacist group. Did they say racist stuff? Yes. Does that make them a Nazi? No. Just like how you keep calling me conservative when I'm not, you threw that word around.

When I say that Antifa are similar to Nazis you want me to give you specific examples and I give you specific incidents, you say that's not enough. You want to throw words around, so will I. You made the bed, you lie in it.

I enjoy calling out bullshit from liberals and conservatives. When someone says anything bad about left-wingers, you accuse them of being racist Nazis. Honestly, you need to grow up.

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So let me get this straight, when you said that there are literal Nazis on this site (not one, you pluralized it a while back),


and the lying continues you little rat

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/621cfe6906d73d614661cc90/so-we-have-a-literal-nazi-on-here

readings clearly hard for you. because you misrepresent what people say.but last time I checked "a literal nazi" is singular". you pathetic lying little rat. man up and apologize immediatly for lying


When I say that Antifa are similar to Nazis you want me to give you specific examples and I give you specific incidents, you say that's not enough. You want to throw words around, so will I. You made the bed, you lie in it.


yes specific examples of how antifa ideology lines up with nazi ideology. "they were violent at rallies" is not evidence clown. i've given you an explanation why this is unacceptable. theres dozens and dozens of groups from all different ideological leanings who have gotten violent at rallies. from pro choice dems, to average republicans. that doesnt make them "just like nazis".

most embarrassingly. one piece of "evidence" you gave me was a fucking video of them sitting with, harassing and making asses of themselves with people out for dinner. thats what nazis did?.

Now lets compare this to Overton, and evidence of multiple quotes, showing how Overtons racial and anti Semitic viewpoints align identically with nazi germany.


https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/621cfe6906d73d614661cc90/so-we-have-a-literal-nazi-on-here

-anti race mixing
-pro minority abortion
-pro pseudo intelligence views on race
-pro stereotypes of minorities as just impoverished criminals
-views that by mix breeding will bring down whites.

dont forget the anti semiticim
-married with children was a plot by liberal jews to destroy the white family. and
-"So being suspicious of left win Jews (and most Jews are on the left) for conducting anti White policies is only rational" "

these are very very specific things. acutely specific ideological beliefs that align literally perfectly withnazi Germany. the only part he was missing was send them to the gas chambers. but even the conspiracies about the jews backstabbing and weakening the aryan race are right there. vs your comment "look heres a video of them sitting with people. look heres a video of them getting violent in a rally, da nazis were violent so they are just like da nazis"

If you cant tell the difference between these two things. you may be fucking retarded. im not joking here or being mean. you may actually be if you think these two things are the same.

When someone says anything bad about left-wingers, you accuse them of being racist Nazis. Honestly, you need to grow up.


CITATION PLEASE you fucking liar. I have never called anyone a nazi besides Overton. you are actual scum and will never own up to your lies.

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my evidence was about 6 quotes, showing how Overtons racial viewpoints align identically with nazi germany.

Again, they were racist. They weren't anywhere near being a Nazi. The quotes you provided to me never showed that he intended to eradicate an entire group based on their religion or ethnicity. He never even claimed that Hitler was right. As a matter of fact, Overton even called Nazis out for being authoritarian.

these are very very specific things. vs "look heres a video of them sitting with people.

And yet you shrugged off a video about a large group of protesters that actively called for the death of police officers.

If you cant tell the difference between these two things. you may be fucking retarded. im not joking here or being mean. you may actually be

Of course you're serious. "Retard" is another word you throw around. But I also provided to you the clip of Antifa/BLM calling for cops to be killed, but you choose to focus on people being harassed at dinner.

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LOLL thats all you had????? that ws your response? take your loss and go away clown

"The message of this show is that family = misery
If I was conspiratorial I would say shows like this are deliberately designed to weaken the family and decrease birth rates by it's Jewish liberal authors."

yaa man nothing screams not a nazi like jewish conspiracies about destroying the aryan family


"And yet you shrugged off a video about a large group of protesters that actively called for the death of police officers"

again. chanting vs a what the nazis actually did. saying this is just like the nazis is the dumbest fucking thing ive heard.


"Of course you're serious. "Retard" is another word you throw around. But I also provided to you the clip of Antifa/BLM calling for cops to be killed, but you choose to focus on people being harassed at dinner. "

YOU PROVIDED THE LINK AS EVIDENCE DUMBFUCK. lol maybe check yourself. im sorry I used YOUR piece of evidence you provided me as proof antifas just like the nazis.

maybe get better idiot

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Your responses are so hard to read. Ever heard of formatting? I'm not even sure which part of your post I'm supposed to respond to.

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nice cop out. now go away you rat liar.

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It's not a cop out. Learn how to format. You make a lot of spelling and grammatical errors as well. Combined, they're a pain in the ass to read.

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hahahahahahhahahahh ohh the grammar nitpicking begins. copt out #2.

take your loss and go away you lying rat.

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theres nothing confusing.

you are btiching about me using the dinner video as weak. yet YOU GAVE IT AS EVIDENCE.

and you keep saying "yaa but they chanted kill the cops"! again is hardly "just like the nazis".

I demonstrated the difference between your "evidence" and mine. but you are such a bitch you'll never admit it. stay dumb little Joe

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I didn't say to discredit the evidence I gave you, I said that I gave you a lot more than that and you're just shrugging it off

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yes for the FIFTH TIME> because you are fucking stupid,

being violent doesnt mean "just like da nazis".

chanting some bad things doesnt mean "just like da nazis"

should I explain a 6th time? a 7th time?

what SPECIFIC ideological similarities are there to tie them to naziism?

you are so incredibly stupid it hurts

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yes for the FIFTH TIME> because you are fucking stupid,

being violent doesnt mean "just like da nazis".

And for the FIFTH TIME,
When you openly call for the death of an entire ethnic population, then it's not just about "some violence". I gave you a link where the leader of Black Lives Matter Toronto openly stated that.

When a group becomes violent because of opposing views, what does that sound like to you?

Just because Antifa hasn't gassed an entire race, that doesn't mean they don't partake in Nazi behavior. That would be like me referring to a serial killer as "Jeffrey Dahmer", and then you replying with "that's not the same because that serial killer didn't stick his victims in a freezer like Jeffrey Dahmer did". They would both still be serial killers.

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wait this was about antifa......

now you are talking about BLM?!?!?!

you just lost clown

and no its like you claiming hitler liked ice cream and Jeffrey dahmer liked ice cream. so Jeffrey was just like the nazis. you chose a very common trait, and tried to connect it to naziism. like you are trying to do with "they were violent so its just like da nazis"

you are literally retarded.

so now burden of proof give me my quote saying theres multiple nazis you lying rat

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She is a member of Antifa.

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Yusra Khogali?? weird cause theres literally zero about her an anti online. and even still. 1 person saying disgusting things, is not a movements ideology.
hey man jared from subway was a child molester. I guess all people who like and work for subway also support molesting children right??

you should try logic sometime

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That 1 person is the leader of BLM Toronto. Next you're going to tell me that Hitler was only one person.

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Antifa are like Nazi's by the fact that when Right Wing America shows up they'll get their ass kicked.

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Most ultra authoritarian governments, rebel groups, warlords and the such have welcoming/inspiring names.
"The-People's-This", the "Democratic-Republic-That".

They probably wouldn't get very far off the ground to begin with if they had more realistic names to describe their parties...IMO

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tell that to samoanJoe above. "but they have socialist in their name!!!"

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The Nazi's did have "socialist" in their name.
Nazi is just a portmanteau of "National Socialist German Worker's Party".

That doesn't mean they were actually "socialists" at heart, or in practice...but it WAS their official name.

Hasn't the meaning of Republican Democrat reversed in the USA? The Democrats were the original Conservatives while the Republicans were the original "liberals". Then it swapped.

Could be the same principle/concept at play here? Not sure, tbh.

I just know the Nazi's spouted Socialism and every psycho with am army says he's "the people's" something or another

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the vote to have socialist added to the party name was done by the party council who did it against Hitelrs will, before he had an iron grip.

yes the parties "great realignments" have happened a few times.

noo I think its different. in the American case the transition happened naturally over decades as they appealed to changing voting blocs

in the nazi case it was simple propaganda to win more voters int he middle class.

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Whether they voted to have the it added to their name or not, it was still in their name, which is what I was saying.

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WAIT! what happened to those antifa connections??!?!? hahaha rat caught in another lie

ohhhhh so now you are a mind reader? you get to say what they all believe. LOL clown. yes and jared foggle, the face of subway internationally!! you are telling me only he is a pedo??? the rest arent?? see how dumb this sounds?

also, unlike that Toronto lady, there is objective evidence of multiple high ranking nazis being anti Semitic. and hundreds of thousands of nazis carrying out anti Semitic war crime.

so your comparison fails retard. wow you really are next level stupid

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You: "give me evidence of someone from Antifa calling for white people to die".

*I provide the evidence*

You: "that's only one person. Now show me evidence of Antifa harassing people".

*I provide the evidence*

You: "that's only a small group of people. Provide me an example of people making threats".

*I provide the evidence*

You: "It's only a small group and demanding cops to be "fried" doesn't count".


I understand now, you're a member of Antifa. You have yet to say anything bad about them. You even defended their violence by saying "all the other groups do it."

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"She is a member of Antifa."

1. you still haven't shown she's antifa. I types her name and antifa, NOTHING COMES UP. so you are lying again.

now lets go over our conversations

[–] Leodicaprio (4940) 16 hours ago
show me all the left wing Neo nazi groups. I can show you all right right wing ones


[–] samoanjoes (30321) 15 hours ago
Antifa


[–] Leodicaprio (4940) 15 hours ago
now get real specific and give me specific example of how antifa are just like the right wing reactionary German party.



Wow. its almost like im asking for you to tell me how this groups ideology is just like nazi ideology. to which you gave me the articles, two about BLM (for some reason) 2 about antifa. where I called you out for giving me one example of a single individual. I asked you to be specific on the ideological similarities.


"It's only a small group and demanding cops to be "fried" doesn't count".

yes chanting things are not "just like the nazis". what specifically makes them like the nazis? the nazis were anti Weimar Republic not anti police. so again what specifically makes this nazi like?

how fucking dumb are you?

"I understand now, you're a member of Antifa. You have yet to say anything bad about them. You even defended their violence by saying "all the other groups do it."

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA retard alert. Joe just went full retard. you are clearly doubling down on your stupidity since ive called you out on your many lies

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yes chanting things are not "just like the nazis". what specifically makes them like the nazis? the nazis were anti Weimar Republic not anti police. so again what specifically makes this nazi like?

Facepalm. You've just confirmed your skimming posts.

Serious question: can you tell me something you dislike about Antifa?

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nice cop out of everything ive said.

1. no evidence of her being antifa

2no similarities shown how they are just like the nazis. YOU Ais violence in protests and rallies. and I showed how multiple groups do that. what SPECIFICALLY is nazi like?

3. your examples were weak sauce. they sat and harassed a couple eating dinner "just like da nAzis!!!"

serious question: can you stop lying for once about me and people in your arguements and Man Up?

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let me show you how you provide arguments clown :)

claim : the proud boy marches are mirroring and are similar to Neo nazis

source (im inventing it its not real) msn.proudboysmarch.com

evidence/citation from article: "marches in mobile Alabama had proud boys marching wearing similar uniforms, holding torches, chanting "jews will not replace us". the organization admitted its a white nationalist movement

arguement: as you can se the proud boys are showing similar tactics to nazis. marching in uniform, talking about racial anti Semitic policies even marching with torches. they are a white nationalist group arguement for an aryan homeland ect ect ect ect

THIS IS AN ARGUEMENT CLOWN.

now wtf did you give me?

no arguement, no quotations. 4 fucking joke sources. 1 was a video of people fucking with 2 people out for dinner. one was a story about a single person attempting to burn down a station. and the other two were about BLM. FUCKING BLM/ in an argument about ANTIFA.

holy fuck man tell me you didnt attend university without telling me you didnt attend.

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Are you still talking, TrentnQuarantino? I know you guys are the same person.

And I'm not clicking on any proud boys link.

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I literally said in quotations beside it that its invented and made-up....

it was a template ex of how to form an argument. wow................................. you are a literal retard............................

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Funny how you didn't deny that you were TrentnQuarantino.

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the reply get smaller and smaller. the staying on topic get further and further. you've finally moved to your little rat hole of protest and defeat. utterly giving up on supporting your nonsense.

I mean first im antifa. now im TrentnQuarantino. never up ill be chairman Mao himself.


you were utterly fucking destroyed here. it was a pleasure to do so. and to watch you scurry and tire yourself. you are pathetic and a liar

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You are aware that you can be both Antifa and TrentnQuarantino, right?

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its talking about your deluded nonsense. right and that lady who is BLM is actually antifa too............... oh right and I wrote about bunch of people being nazis. even though I didnt and I wrote about one person.

so you've abandoned your nonsense bs arguments finally.

the sad little rat got crushed

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oh im going through TrentnQuarantino posts

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/62b93a590750313d5b64b7bb/NATO-rant-why-the-US-is-to-blame-for-just-about-everything

heres one he wrote paragraphs and paragraphs on. ive posted about Russia. I have the exact opposite opinion. I guess I 8 paragraphs of the opposite of what I believe just to keep up the illusion and make sure no one finds out we are the same person

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/625f3c54769a0813873fdca5/I-just-saw-Bidens-so-called-air-handshake-Talk-about-a-nothing-thing?reply=6261c6377e915c7bfa2ae35d

heres me posting "you are dumb" on a TrentnQuarantino post. its all part of the lie. LOLL

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Are you new here? The mods have seen sock accounts that do exactly what you're saying. They respond to themselves to make it look like they're not the same person.
TrentnQuarantino argues exactly like you: https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/62e6d14341acff30f3de0f6d/What-do-you-think-2-milk-is?reply=62e6dddb41acff30f3de104e

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Yes I am new here. despite your paranoid delusions.

wow " jerk-tard". "babble incoherently" "ahos" "this rich" "100% morons" " you dare to". "your useless meaningless toil" "typical dope".that one paragraph alone has terms and vernacular I have never once used.. thats all part of the ruse though?? its all a conspiracy!!!

HAHAHHAHAHA not only are you dumb as fuck. you need a psyche evaluation

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No, it's the constant insults throughout the thread. Also the fact that he got upset for no reason.

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yes people insult on here. its funny because this goes back to our nazi debate. of you proving unique characteristic and saying "see the same person!". me and Trent both insult "same person!" me and Craigc both drink milk "same person!". me and jowilli others like burgers "same person!!"

wow you are getting utterly obliterated each time you change the subject. so again.

I completely changed my vernacular and word usage, all to hide the truth.

you re not only stupid, you are a conspiracy theorist retard

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Prove that I'm a "retard".

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hahah you have deteriorated into an incoherent mess. you were publicly embarrassed by moderator5 who saw the need to step in and correct your lies.; I wonder if he/they enjoy my posts. next up "you and mod5 are the same person!"

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I admitted I was wrong. Unlike you who refuses to admit anything in any discussion with everyone.

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you have a long list of lies you've told and you are now tryna change the subject

Lied about that BLM lady.
lied about my posts.

you re a proven liar and conspiracy theorist. forever stained

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Avoiding our conversation from months ago, I see

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yess im staying on topic. addressing the topic here, to not talk about your crying months ago! its called proper debating and argumentation clown

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Proper debating isn't name-calling and calling people mentally ill.

By the way, prove this statement: https://moviechat.org/tt1345836/The-Dark-Knight-Rises/62e730e141acff30f3de1507/mentally-unstable-people-love-this-film

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says who? name calling is a fallacy in that it proves nothing IN ITSELF. name calling in no way changes my argument :) try again lying rat. that iOS name calling, but its objective and true. you are a lying rat

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Avoiding the link, I see. Prove that people who like the film are mentally ill. This is why I can't take your comments seriously. You are very childish.

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LOL yes. avoiding get off topic. which has been your strategy since I destroyed your nonsense claims!>

hahahahaha nice cop out. now go away you lying rat. you lost all dignity here. spreading lies and saying completely stupid shit

and your concession is you stopped addressing arguments, you are trying to change the topic. take your loss. be a man. apologize for lying. then leave

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I'm not changing the subject. I'm showing your hypocrisy. You make claims without proof all the time. I just asked you to defend your accusation in that link and you didn't even acknowledge it.

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except you are. the topic is my OP> we began debating and you said ANTIFA were nazis. I asked for evidence. you went on about BLM half the time.

you are a sad liar

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I asked you for proof how I'm conservative, and you gave no proof and avoided it by name-calling.

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soooo subject changing. finally going to

1. provide evidence she's antifa

2. provide that quote about me calling multiple people nazi?

3. conceded you lied and lost and man up?

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I conceded I was wrong about one thing, you on the other hand have admitted to absolutely nothing.

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yaa cause you madeuo in your head a conspiracy. I demonstrated the nonsense of that. showing how in 2 replies alone, trentn used 8 terms ive never used ever. you still kept up with your nosnense. til mdoerator5 had to step in and publicly unman you.

its a trend. you say utter nonsense. get evidence, reject the evidence, change the subject.

man up

admit you

1. lied about the blm lady
2. lied about me saying there were multiple nazis.

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You're the proven liar. Apologize for lying, hypocrite.

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apologize for making the most obvious joke in the world? LOL

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Dream on loser. You were caught lying. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Have some dignity, man!

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everyone knows it soo much no one comments or says it..... but its know.. by everyone. retard

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You are a lying liar. You should immediately delete this account AND your moviechatuser666 account.

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Dream on, failure.

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hes also commenting on tonnes of movies I never have. weird!! im pretending to have never seen or care about the movies on this account. but I do on that one. as well as use completely different vernacular and style of writing.


wow you need medical attention. You've gone down the conspiracy rabbit hole and now you see them everywhere... get a psych eval....

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I'm not the one going around insulting people.

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which has literally nothing to do with my argument. wow yet again you change the subject when you are losing a debate!. exposed for the lying conspiracy rat you are!

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Welllllllll, that's not entirely true.

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Other than db20db, who has harassed me for years before I finally pushed back, who have I insulted. I mean, I do parody posts, but that's it.

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I am not criticizing you whatsoever.
I am just saying that your 'parody posts' do come off as insulting, and generally more insulting to one group than the other.
But I, personally, don't have a problem with that.

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Look at who I'm parodying. Ticketsplease who has been called out by pretty much every member of these boards as being a troll. TheMan18 who I like, has been called out for his long posts of nonsense and floods the main page with 5 posts in a few hours.

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"Are you new here? The mods have seen sock accounts that do exactly what you're saying. They respond to themselves to make it look like they're not the same person."

Would that be like jowilli and jowilli2?

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Probably. I know some people get locked out of their account, make a new one and add a number after it.

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https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/62df6731c5b64278ce3c60c5/To-be-impeached-or-not-to-be-impeached-that-is-the-question-or-Can-anybody-actually-be-this-stupid

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I don't deny it. I just don't think Jo was trying to hide their second account.

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I thought this was jowilli/jowill2's idea of being cerebral and sneaky.

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Probably not. It seems pretty obvious.

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Yes, but one needs to consider the source.

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Once again, you embarrassed yourself. You really should delete your account.

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I haven't seen your moviechatuser666 account for a while. Did the mods get wise to you & delete that one?

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Pathetic...

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Don't be so hard on yourself. You couldn't help it; you are simply the product of a bad combination of DNA.

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Delete your account. You're a joke.

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It was the 1930's...

Considering liberals have changed the definition of MULTIPLE words in the English language THIS WEEK, it's pretty obvious that the era is a factor here.

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No shit!

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The real question is, why are you mofos Nazi's and socialists???

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I think it's only in NA where Socialist is associated with the left while in Eastern Europe and Asia, it's the opposite.

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Bullshit.
America and England was worried as hell that Russia and communists were going to take over.
There were communists and socialist parties in Germany, and pretty much all over the world,
as the business abuses of the late 19th and early 20th centuries were many - and they outright
murdered people who tried to be social activists in defense of the regular people.

I.e socialists. The socialists and communists were gaining ground in these countries, and Hitler came along and made deals with the Industrialists that he would help them smash the socialists, and communists - but mostly the labor unions, so they could go back to terrorizing workers and forcing them to work as long and for as little as they wanted.

Hitler's message resonated with the Socialists, but when he got elected he cracked down on socialist and communist parties and outlawed labor unions. Then he outright murdered the real socialists in the national socialist party, and then to top it off he blew off the industrialists too and Nationalized their companies and became the dictator.

By the way, a lot of what Hitler thought came from American thinking of the day, which is why he had so many corporate and financial supporters in American business. America wanted the same things are the Nazis, to undercut democracy and smash American unions as well, which is why we wait all those years to jump into WWII when it was known that Hitler was going to lose against Russia.

Only then did the UK and US really invade - they wanted maximum damage to Russia first. Then the US took over the world, and all the money, oligarchs and interests migrated here to begin it all over again. FDR was for the man in the street, and he was the closest to socialist than any President ever got.

Americans do not even understand any of our own history, and are wrapped up in silly discussions about Nazis being socialists ... without any real facts or understanding.

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the only thing I have to disagree with was "he blew off the industrialists too and Nationalized their companies and became the dictator."

corporations were not brought under the wing of the state in any sort of DIRECT control. these corporations did have to play ball, as they would in any sort of murderous dictatorship. or similar to how they did in the allied countries with a wartime economy.e
but Krupp for instance was still in private hands, with a CEO, making private profits. with their day to day activities in no way directed by the nazis.

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I'll be blunt ... nothing personal. That's what I find annoying about you. There is a point, a threat, an idea in my comment, and you are not adding to it or continuing it, nor really contributing ( in my opinion ). It's not relevant, and in my essay I have to stop somewhere, so you and folks like you can always find something to add - I just wish if you do that you'd advance the discussion. That point has nothing to add to the subject of the Nazis not being socialists. When you do that, it is often perceived as tone-deaf, and leads to some pointless argument.

I'd like to know what you thought at the time you were doing, introspectively. It's like someone draws a portrait and you rush in and paint a mustache on it.

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you got a fact wrong. I corrected it. thats my addition. while I agree the other 99% is correct.

I just wish if you do that you'd advance the discussion.


LOL theres nothing to advance. your comment was good enough and gave lots of useful info, except for the one glaring error. take it as a compliment. I felt no need to argue, disagree, or simply parrot back what you said


That point has nothing to add to the subject of the Nazis not being socialists. When you do that, it is often perceived as tone-deaf, and leads to some pointless argument.


how is it tone deaf.. while I didnt cover the same things you did (I covered more domestic political alliances and persecution largely). theres no argument here. I provided what I thought was an important piece of the arguement. you provided a different one. great high five.

but actually I do think that when you say ""he blew off the industrialists too and Nationalized their companies and became the dictator.""

that does add to the subject of the nazis being socialist or not. as i've heard that very argument "see they nationalized the industries! they are socialists!" time and time and time again. you may not have, but I have.

im particule by this guy

https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8

an Extremist libertarian who has used that very arguement. albeit he goes even more off the deep end and claims "anything public is therefore syndacalist and socialism" and also said gems like "fiat currency is socialism". and "any taxation is socialism"

so now you may understand how that specific line of arguement has a special place in my heart

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> except for the one glaring error. take it as a compliment.

It was not an error ... let alone a glaring error.

It's a necessary simplification, and now you attack me and make have to explain something that is not even relevant to my point. And instead of the correct answer. you are right, or I see your point, you double down on being an asshole, or you reveal your asshole self by going even further afield.

I could even appreciate that if you actually had a reason and point for doing this other than trying to say me narrations is more exactly like as as said a nitpick little B.

Your point about the industrialists working with Hitler is wrong. Not in the sense that it didn't happen, but in the sense that everyone knows if an industrialist got out of line and came into the bad graces of Hitler he would have destroyed them. You nitpick but you don't miss the point because you are slobbering to argue.

That Hitler would have no compunction about nationalizing and stealing from the industrialists is shown by the handling of Porsche wrt VW.

It's called running the discussion into the ground dumbass. learn how not to do it.

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"now you attack me and make have to explain something that is not even relevant to my point. :"

LOL

Me "I agree with you"

Me "our comment was good enough and gave lots of useful info"

You -"OMG NOW YOU ATTACK ME!!"

buddy.. settle down.....I mean I get mad.. you are losing it...................................

here how an adult handles it. you down type any of that other nonsense you typed. you jump to the

"im glad you agree with most! I disagree because I believe even though they weren't technically nationalized,Your point about the industrialists working with Hitler is wrong. Not in the sense that it didn't happen, but in the sense that everyone knows if an industrialist got out of line and came into the bad graces of Hitler he would have destroyed them."

and now I respond with agreement, or clarify my position or point out what I still think is the issue with that comment. the day I have to tell someone how to be cordial and calm down....

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I'm not losing anything or upset, I am just annoyed that I have to explain the basics of communication to you ... WTF. My comment was logical, thoughtful and well organized. Can't say the same for yours.

And you still are not conscious enough to realize your point does not matter ... it is second of third order irrelevant. Are you so desperate for attention that you completely ignore the very idea of a discussion, or just a recent product of our school system?

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and here you are.. still losing it.. after I

-complimented your post
-said I mostly agree
-explained in detail why "nationalize" is a particular hangup for me

it really isnt second or third order as ive demonstrated..... "nationalize" is often the crux, or at least an important part of the arguement those use to say "see they were socialist"

wow buddy you having a bad day? you need a freaking eval. ive never seen somone have a meltdown over getting a complement and have somone slightly disagree on one point

"HOW DARE YOU AGREE WITH ME ON EVERYTHING EXCEPT ONE POINT"

LIKE I said. isntead you could have been a normal person and instead said "explain why you think they didnt nationalize industry"

welcome to being an adult

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You seem to have some kind of a super-defensive shtick.

> "HOW DARE YOU AGREE WITH ME ON EVERYTHING EXCEPT ONE POINT"

Exactly, because that point is the main point, the meta-point that you miss.

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the level of self projection here is astounding..... im the opposite of super defensive in this case.

"Exactly, because that point is the main point, the meta-point that you miss."

yes sometimes people disagree with a single point. oh the horror!!!!!!!! how dare they!!!! you are unstable

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There's a reason I pushed it, there's no reason for you to push being wrong though.

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yes because we can both have different understandings of its significance to the argument, as well as different understandings of the concept.

again calm down. others have messaged me about your particular craziness and aggressiveness on this specific post. you are looking insane

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> yes because we can both have different understandings of its significance to the argument, your comment had zero significance or relevant to what I was talking about. That describes reality. It didn't add anything, it didn't extend the scope or argument concept.

You just don't get it.

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it actually isnt as ive explained multiple times. the argument over "nationalization" is a crux by many right wingers (not saying you) as proof they were indeed socialist, as they directly controlled industry

it doesn't describe reality because the reality was far more complex. vs say the soviet command economy where industry was indeed directly controlled and production dictated by government officials.

I do get it. this is literally what I went to school for. you dont and you look like a crazy person

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> is a crux by many right wingers (not saying you)

I am not a right-winger by any stretch of the imagination.
That's another reason completely irrelevant.
It doesn't matter what right-wingers or whoever is calling the Nazis real socialists, it's not true.
A complicated historical explanation is not needed just the basic facts.
I am not saying you don't know some facts, although there is surely someone who could blather with you about the level you at this ... past the point there is not need, that is what you fail to grasp.
Sorry also to say that plenty of people went to school to learn the exact opposite, or they just lie. There is no point in going into every nuance. Every serious person who has ever looked into the Nazis knows they were not socialists, and if they use socialist as a descriptor of the Nazis it if some special definition they use because that was in name only.

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"It doesn't matter what right-wingers or whoever is calling the Nazis real socialists, it's not true."

im not going to simply chant "its not true its not true". im going to provide an argument. which that is one of their go to's

"A complicated historical explanation is not needed just the basic facts."

which I dint give. simply asserting it doesn't make it true

"past the point there is not need, that is what you fail to grasp."

there is. I gave you a video of a fairly popular right winger spreading nonsense. id dint expect you to watch that libertarian propaganda nonsense.

"There is no point in going into every nuance. Every serious person who has ever looked into the Nazis knows they were not socialists, and if they use socialist as a descriptor of the Nazis it if some special definition they use because that was in name only."

its not every nuance. you offered a multi faceted comment with multiple points. I disagreed with one. its not the end of the world. you dont have to get mad. I very clearly explained my particular interest in it.

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Can quibble over whether Nazi Germany was socialist or fascist, but in either case, it was very authoritarian, which necessarily erodes the personal freedoms of citizens. Both the Nazis and the Soviets took weapons from those citizens they wanted to oppress (The Germans took guns from the Jews, and the Soviets took guns from pretty much every citizen). The results were similar - the killing of millions of their own citizens or people subject to their rule.

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Socialist versus fascist isn't really a small quibble.

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"some say hitler was just like a Bernie sanders leftist, some say a fascist right wing reactionary dictator, im not here to quibble"

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nope its fascism. thats indisputable.

LOL nazi germany loosened gun laws on regular germans. your conspiracy theory applying it to your own country is nonsense. every developed nation besides the US have similar common sense gun laws that work.

come back to reality

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You are quibbling over shades of grey. Both are authoritarian styles of government that oppresses ordinary citizens and gives them virtually no say in how they are governed.

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LOL no im quibbling over a Honda Civic vs a mclaren. just because you dont know the difference dont project your stupidity on me.

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