So, when are we ever going to have sensible gun laws?

I don't know. Maybe something worse than what happened yesterday.

Mexico only has one gun store in the whole country. Why don't you post the carnage they have there?

Why not wait until they bury the dead before you despicable disgusting people try to political benefit?

We do not even have ballistics on what weapons were used. Not every long gun is an assault weapon.

We have 400 million guns in this country. They will not instantly go away because morons pass some law.

Why don't we out law democrats since 80% of gun crime in this country is committed by them.

Because what you call "sensible", isn't. That's a political term used by the left to try to sell their agenda to the ignorant.

Fact remains, it's illegal to shoot people, does that stop them? So how is another gun law going to affect anyone but the law abiding?

How about this instead, an honest discussion about the underlying causes, instead of focusing on a 'perceived' bandaid over the symptom? That means no politics and no bullshit. Let's talk about the degradation of the American family. The erosion of traditional family values. The constant deterioration of parenting. The lack of personal responsibility. Let's do that, instead of punishing the people that didn't do it, hmmm????

As much as I agree that we need sensible gun laws (e.g. licensing, age restriction, mandatory training, etc.), it would do little to prevent tragic events such as this one, or the broken culture that leads 6% of the population to commit 50% of all homicides, because of one essential social element that’s also needed. Regarding guns, the cats long out of the bag, so to speak. Barring a Thanos Snap, the guns are out there and they aren't going away. Additionally, anyone can find the blueprints for and print or forge their own firearm with just a little bit of effort and ingenuity. Laws are well and good, and would provide a slight mitigation to this complex issue.

But the most prominent component of this and any other communal problem is the social environment and circumstances that lead to the mental states underlying the motivations for such vile affronts to humanity, be it mass shootings, inner city violence, domestic violence, serial killers, rapes, stealing, vandalism, political slander and corruption, corporate power mongering, online bullying, or any other act that has one single preventative. It all – every single goddamn thing – boils down to a lack of respect for fellow humanity.

And yes, I'm going to quote myself from another thread, I’m sure to the chagrin of a few posters on this board, because it's just as applicable here as it would be in any other discussion about any other possible woe this or any other country faces. Every single societal failing has the same fundamental progenitor: no core, shared culture of common ground and respect. If every single child had engrained in them this shared core cultural standard of behavior, these problems would barely exist, regardless of what the laws were.

“Without unity there's no consistency, without consistency there is erosion of framework, and without an underlying uniform cultural framework that includes respect for all fellowman, no society can thrive and excel”, and in fact is doomed for conflict. At the risk of venturing into religious territory, it truly is embodied by one tenant that’s found as a fundamental component of most religions: the so-called “golden rule”. As a society we’ve forgotten this, if we ever truly adhered to it at all. Treat others as you want to be treated.

For this specific situation, for you gun advocates out there who rebuke the notion of “common sense gun laws”, this specific tragedy would have at least been more difficult to materialize if there was an age restriction of 21 to purchase a firearm, not to mention a license that was granted only after proper training and perhaps a mental evaluation. Yes, there’s a strong probability he would have found another way, but it would have been more difficult to pull it off, and he may have been caught before it happened, maybe lives lost reduced.

But laws mean very little without a core, shared culture of respect for each other, the true barrier against all “evils” committed against each other. People who don’t respect each other, don’t respect laws either. We must all learn to treat each other the way we would want to be treated. Nothing else matters if that’s missing. And based on many of the replies in this very thread, it is undeniably absent. Of course, the situation is further exacerbated when the existing laws that would keep criminals off the streets and active aren't enforced.
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Never. Gun nuts would go to war over this. People like to throw around the term Civil War, but I am convinced this would be the issue to cause it. These people care more about their guns than lives.

Never. Sandy Hook and Las Vegas should had been the big 'Holy Shit' moment. But it's not gonna happen.

Never. That's why I call them gun nuts.