Guess who our government is giving Ivermectin? Refugees
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shareModerate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
also, over 100,000 refugees coming to America, what can go wrong?
Surely those "refugees" will be taken to DC to live among the politicians that ruined their home country....right!?
shareWhy am I not surprised? The government has known it works, but its lemmings are against it. Why?
shareThe media is "against" it because making fun of MAGA makes for easy headlines and ad revenue.
Ivermectin does help some people, and isn't dangerous under the supervision of a doctor.
But that doesn't mean it's bad for the media to tell people not to take it. Their warnings are sound. Self-dosing Ivermectin is a bad idea.
A doctor who examines their patient, and recognizes Ivermectin will help them, is not going to suddenly choose to not give that patient Ivermectin because the media warned people at home not to take it. It just doesn't work like that.
Joe Rogan is not a refugee!
shareImgflip? You couldn't get better sourcing for this "story" than that? And it is not clear who is administering this protocol. You could have cut and pasted this from a directive issued in Botswana for all anybody can tell. But you and your rwnj friends go on and believe what you want to believe--it's so bonkers it's funny!
sharePulled right from the CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
How's that for clear jackass
That document seems to be concerned only with malaria and intestinal parasite treatments. Nowhere is covid even mentioned! Who's the jackass now?
shareStill you
The whole point of the thread is that the gov is giving Ivermectin to refugees while they tell idiots like you to push the "what are you a horse" narrative.
Got it now retard?
Why would you want to start a thread about some government treating refugees for intestinal parasites? It has nothing--nada--to do with corona virus. You conspiracy-hunters are sure digging deep into the doo-doo! I recommend you just get vaccinated like everyone else and join the A-students like a good little 1.5 GPA flunky.
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Holy fuck you're dumb
I'm fully vaxxed. You?
shareWell there's something to be proud of LOL
Good little lab monkey wanna banana?
After I point out the salient fact that your CDC excerpt is only concerned with intestinal parasites all you can do is insult and name-call. Any 3rd party can see who's "dumb" here, sorry.
shareStill you and I know you're sorry now apologize
shareWill it or won’t it help against Covid? Keeping an open mind to the possibility is all we ask. Why aren’t more studies being done? Who has a dog in this fight?
Big Pharma? The Government?
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2c/
”Proposed Mechanism of Action and Rationale for Use in Patients With COVID-19”
”Reports from in vitro studies suggest that ivermectin acts by inhibiting the host importin alpha/beta-1 nuclear transport proteins, which are part of a key intracellular transport process that viruses hijack to enhance infection by suppressing the host’s antiviral response.4,5 In addition, ivermectin docking may interfere with the attachment of the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) spike protein to the human cell membrane.6 Ivermectin is thought to be a host-directed agent, which may be the basis for its broad-spectrum activity in vitro against the viruses that cause dengue, Zika, HIV, and yellow fever.4,7-9 Despite this in vitro activity, no clinical trials have reported a clinical benefit for ivermectin in patients with these viruses. Some studies of ivermectin have also reported potential anti-inflammatory properties, which have been postulated to be beneficial in people with COVID-19.10-12
There it is
shareBOOM! Drop the mic. Yes, Ivermectin should only be taken as prescribed by a physician, and could be dangerous if abused, although what prescription drug isn't? But if taken early on it clearly could save someone's life, and what you quoted explains why in a scientifically detailed manner.
But I also suggest that unless you're allergic or prone to blood clots, everyone should still get vaccinated. You may even potentially be better off according to some studies to get vaccinated and then catch COVID-19 while the vaccine is still viable in your system, producing longer-term and stronger immunity.
The below video shows a medical professional (the guy who in part helped originate mRNA vaccines in the late 80's) conveying a logical, reasonable, nuanced, thought process. He supports getting the vaccines, but doesn't think mandates for shoving needles into everyone indiscriminately is socially or necessarily medically healthy. He understands the complexities of the situation, and the potential pitfalls.
I know some on here will see "Epoch Times" and cry foul without even a remote consideration of watching the video and exposing themselves to information and views that might contradict their hard-held beliefs, but that's their loss. It's better to be fully informed, and to adjust viewpoints as information changes.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/dr-robert-malone-mrna-vaccine-inventor-on-latest-covid-19-data-booster-shots-and-the-shattered-scientific-consensus_3979206.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-09-03&est=Srd3dqBPPD%2FjIQgufozfNEx8ylk4vctu23x94c4nzSGawZJ59oO7wlaW4G8Hd4at7g%3D%3D
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You're still pushing this vaccine bs when Israel and India prove the opposite of what you are saying to be true
"everyone should still get vaccinated. You may even potentially be better off according to some studies to get vaccinated and then catch COVID-19 while the vaccine is still viable in your system, producing longer-term and stronger immunity."
And wrong again natural immunity last far longer than vaxx immunity. Vaxx immunity barely last 6 months why do you think boosters are a thing now?
Natural immunity is better, by a lot. However, "vaxx immunity" is a misnomer.
It fools many anti-vaxxers into believing a vaxxed person who gets Covid is the same as a vaxxed person who doesn't get Covid. Those two immunities are extremely different.
Once a vaxxed person gets Covid, they upgrade from "vaxx immunity" to natural immunity.
The goal of the vaccine is not to make you immune to catching Covid. it's goal is to make you immune from extreme Covid sickness and death.
That's why vaxxed people get the best of both worlds. When they get Covid, they gain natural immunity, and they typically get that immunity without knowing it, except in the case of Delta, but even the effects of Delta are much more mild.
The problem is there is no way for a vaccine to intentionally give Covid to people. You would need your two doses, and then your third dose would have to be the actual Covid virus. But I assume that would run into ethical issues.
That's the biggest bunch of bs I've ever read..congrats
Natural Immunity means just that "Natural" no vaxx
You vaxxers have no lasting immunity that's why you need boosters every 6-8 months
Natural immunity might specifically mean that, but natural immunity and full immunity are interchangeable in the context of being immune to Covid.
When a person gets vaccinated, they only have partial immunity, what you call "vaxx immunity." When that vaccinated person gets Covid, they upgrade to full immunity.
You'll never find any data suggesting an unvaxxed person who recovers from Covid is more immune to Covid than a vaxxed person who recovers from Covid. What you are suggesting is physically impossible. You cannot recover from Covid without becoming immune to it.
If that was true there would be no fully vaxxed person dying on covid so again BS
And I'll point to the Israel data again which shows fully vaxxed people getting and dying of covid
Also check the delta variant death rate in the UK its 5 times higher vaccinated > unvaccinated
https://noqreport.com/2021/09/03/delta-variant-death-rate-among-vaccinated-over-5-times-higher-than-the-unvaccinated-in-england/
So stfu
Huh? 🤔 What a bunch of gobblygoop! Natural immunity means what it states…it’s natural. It doesn’t come from a vaccine. Getting the virus then becoming well is the body developing natural immunity. I haven’t had the flu in decades and I don’t get the flu vaccine. Apparently I’ve developed a natural immunity from when I did get the flu in the past. I haven’t had a cold in years!
shareFull immunity to Covid comes from getting Covid. Period.
Remember, if you are vaccinated, you can still get Covid. And when you get Covid after taking the vaccine, you gain natural immunity.
"Vaxx immunity" isn't really a functionable term other than to describe those who took the vaccine but have not yet gotten Covid.
Try not to disregard things as gobblygoop just because you didn't understand it the first pass.
You don't understand it that's obvious
shareI really suggest watching the video. It touches on points both sides make, but neither side wants to hear. Also, you seem to be arguing against something I didn't even say (i.e. read better).
Yes, naturally-generated antibodies from COVID alone seem to last longer compared to the vaccines alone (probably because the vaccines were so rushed, without the usual years of trials, that they need more time to be perfected), but both together are even better, which is exactly what I said in what you quoted (people really need to learn to read and hear at face value, and stop filling in the blanks with their own biased assumptions, although the Left tends to do this worse than the Right these days). The biggest takeaway from most studies is that a vaccine will prevent serious effects when catching COVID for the vast majority of people, and has even shown to reduce some of the long-term COVID maladies when taken months after undergoing the virus. Although the vaccines have shorter staying power than hoped, largely due to the Delta variant, they still have value.
But the problem with pushing the vaccines onto everyone indiscriminately is that it's quite possible to overdo vaccination to the point of crashing the immune system, which is why someone who's somewhat recently had the virus should probably not be given two doses, only one. Every single case must be individually evaluated by a physician. No one should be forcing it on anyone.
Again, don't make it black and white. Nothing in reality is that simple. Absolutely everything is more complex, much more nuanced, and most likely different on a case-by-case basis for every individual experience, whatever that experience may be. A segment of one side is ferociously against vaccines despite data showing they have value. A good portion of the other side is fervently against therapeutic treatments that greatly reduce the effects of the virus if taken shortly after contracting it, and are worshipers of ineffective masks. Both sides are wrong. Both sides are right. And this applies to every topic in existence, whatever topic that may be.
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I suggest you watch the video
14:35 he says that from the Israel data we see increasing numbers of vaccinated people being hospitalized then says the same is true from the UK data
16:00 he talks about vaccinated being super spreaders
18:20 he calls claiming adverse events from the vaccine as better than adverse events from covid a false analogy
So what makes you think the vaccine is helping?
Here's what he said closely transcribed:
…and then all of this new information has rolled out, and in particular the Israeli data having to do with an increasing number of infections and hospitalizations. At first it was positioned that this was only occurring in the unvaccinated cohort, and then that became increasingly untenable, and it became clear that it was occurring in the vaccinated cohort, and then the same became true with the U.K. data set, which is stronger than the American monitoring system, and they do a lot more sequencing. So now we have this paradox. Those that had been vaccinated, the data suggest that they're largely protected from disease and death, and more protected than the unvaccinated from disease and death, but they are no longer protected from infection. In the end it became clear within the data through multiple sources, that the levels of virus replication in the individuals even who had been vaccinated previously was the same or higher as the levels of virus replication in those that had been unvaccinated, and that those that had been vaccinated and had breakthrough infections were also shedding virus, and able to spread virus. So then that raised the prospect that they were kind of the new super spreaders because they would have less apparent disease, and yet still be shedding high levels of virus. Then we started to see some signs suggesting that there may be some differences in the nature or onset or triggers of disease in those that had been infected beyond six months after their vaccination point, so this is the waning phase.
Right. In order for a vaccinated person to obtain full immunity, they need to catch Covid.
Anti-vaxxers are being thrown off by the term natural immunity which they compare to vaccine immunity. Vaccine immunity isn't really a thing. The vaccines never intended to make people immune to catching Covid.
Because of this misunderstanding, they assume a vaccinated person who hasn't gotten Covid has the same level of immunity as a vaccinated person who got Covid.
And because of that, they assume a vaccinated person who got Covid is somehow less immune than an unvaccinated person who got Covid.
It pains me to disagree with a most learned MC member.
”In other words, if you’re vaccinated you’re safer than if you’re unvaccinated.”
Does this reasoning apply to those who have succumbed due to the vaccine? Does this reasoning apply to those who were vaccinated, but still became infected, were hospitalized and/or died?
I inquire again. Why take the jab when it doesn’t stop you from getting Covid and from passing it on? You state it lessens the symptoms for the vaccinated. But, if the unvaccinated gets the virus from you, it doesn’t lessen the symptoms for the infected. If you do get it quarantine yourself, take HCQ, Zinc, and an approved dose of Ivermectin. You will then have “natural immunity”.
Also, we have to consider does the jab have a causal effect for mutation.
It pains me to disagree with a most learned MC member.I don't know that we're necessarily disagreeing, at least for the most part, as long as you don't ignore qualifying statements I've much such as:
But I also suggest that unless you're allergic or prone to blood clots, everyone should still get vaccinated
There are of course exceptions, which is why I always add: unless you're allergic or prone or blood clots.The most likely product of being vaccinated and being infected is less misery, and reduced chances of death. But we must be careful to not over-vaccinate. It's possible that some of those truly adverse reactions from a vaccination may have been from people who had previously been infected, and then received full doses of vaccination. There is also the remote possibility that because these vaccinations were mass-produced so rapidly, that they received one that was tainted, contaminated, hadn't been stored properly, etc. But those kinds of negative reactions are so rare that statistically speaking it's still safer to get it for the vast majority of people. We must also keep in mind that the Delta variant has added a wrinkle. Deaths of vaccinated are exceedingly rare, mostly from Delta, with most over 65 years old.
The most likely product of being vaccinated and being infected is less misery, and reduced chances of death
I've quoted it a couple of times now, but here's what he said again:
"Those that had been vaccinated, the data suggest that they're largely protected from disease and death, and more protected than the unvaccinated from disease and death".
Then we started to see some signs suggesting that there may be some differences in the nature or onset or triggers of disease in those that had been infected beyond six months after their vaccination point, so this is the waning phaseThe Delta variant is probably also a factor in this. So my statement is in line with currently available information, applicable within the first sixth months of taking the vaccine. Again, though, whether vaccinated or not, a physician-overseen cocktail of therapeutic treatment is also proving to be effective.
You're not making a bit of sense on this issue.
If Israel and UK and Peru have high vaccination rates and more deaths from vaccinated than unvaccinated then no your vaccine does not protect you better from disease or death now does it?
Waning doesn't mean shit, the Vaxx in itself is worthless if you need three and continuous boosters. Or they are running a scam care to guess which or both?
The Delta variant came about because instead of treating the disease with HQC or Ivermectin we began injecting people with a leaky vaxx that caused the mutations in the first place
And you keep posting to take the vaxx
LOL
Not sure how else to state it. Maybe a more direct approach will do the trick: the vaccines work at greatly reducing the chance of severe reaction to infection, but lose effectiveness quicker than hoped. Your statement of the vaccine being useless if you need boosters makes no sense. Even if it's useful for just six or so months, it's still useful.
Also, not sure why you think the vaccines caused Delta. It is remotely possible, but not very likely (that's not really how it works), and there is no evidence that was a factor in this case (I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility though). And as time goes on they'll continue to prefect the vaccines to lengthen their effectiveness (or at least they'll try to).
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-did-covid-vaccines-cause-the-delta-variant/a-58242263
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-delta-vaccine/fact-check-delta-variant-did-not-come-from-the-covid-19-vaccine-idUSL1N2OW1TA
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/08/07/did-covid-19-vaccines-cause-coronavirus-delta-variants-no-evidence-behind-such-claims/
https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/08/27/covid-vaccine-delta-variant
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-things-to-know-delta-variant-covid
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Would you consider death a severe reaction? Fuck sake man
No the only use the vaxx has to it force compliance at the threat of loss of liberty and profit for Big Pharma
LOL maybe this is why I think vaccines caused Delta.
https://fos-sa.org/2021/08/18/leaky-vaccines-super-spreads-and-variant-acceleration/
And there's plenty of evidence of this happening before
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/leaky-vaccines-enhance-spread-of-deadlier-chicken-viruses
Learn what a "Leaky" vaxx and a "Perfect" Vaxx are then rethink your position which on this you obviously know very little about and stop pushing this poison
I'm simply forming a conclusion based on the statistics, instead of taking rare, individual cases, which always exist, and coming to a conclusion that ignores the vast majority of all other data.
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If what you were saying were true you'd pay attention to the statistics from the UK, Israel and Peru or the 20 other nations who rejected the vaxx for Ivermectin
shareThe UK and Israel rejected vaccines?
https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/vaccination-rollout-and-access/
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UK, Israel and Peru chose the vaxx have more deaths for the vaccinated
Or as in another subset to include India, Japan, Czech Republic, Sweden, Mexico who rejected vaccines in favor of Ivermectin
Are you purposefully being pedantic cause you have no real argument?
No you quite literally said that UK and Israel "rejected the vaxx for Ivermectin", which was confusing, so I wanted to clarify.
For example, any chance you could rephrase or clarify: "UK, Israel and Peru chose the vaxx have more deaths for the vaccinated"?
Peru has a very low vaccination rate, while the UK and Israel have very high vaccination rates. Within that context, I'm not grasping your meaning.
Also, look at the link I provided above (and below), and compare various random nations to each other. There's some highly vaccinated countries with very low infection rates, which indicates there are other factors at play that must be understood.
https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/vaccination-rollout-and-access/
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So now you can't read. I use or as in another group to compare with the first group. You are being very pedantic tonight cause you have no argument except NuAnCe
I literally just explained that too in my previous post that you responded to but obviously didn't read.
Peru HAD a low vaccination rate until they stopped Ivermectin and went on the vaxx.
All your tracker does is show how many % have been vaccinated. Doesn't show deaths, doesn't show Ivermectin use and is therefore irrelevant
It does in fact have a column for Infections, Deaths and percent of Vaccinated.
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Ok my tablet froze up first time and I couldn't scroll down I see it now and on that I was wrong
You still can't see if countries used Ivermectin which is why other post back up what I've said
Countries that ditch the vaxx in favor of Ivermectin are seeing less infections and deaths
Countries like Israel are highly vaxxed and still seeing infections and deaths
Yes that would be a very good thing Reuters could add to that tracker. It's a shame the stigma against it exists, because tracking that data would be extremely useful. Unfortunately, too many out there, including even some in the medical community, but especially news outlets and politicians, have fallen prey to belief and groupthink.
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Take a look at my post below
India, Czech Republic and Japan
See when they ok'd Ivermectin their cases fall off a cliff
That's good info, and certainly bolsters the case for using Ivermectin. Let's just hope that certain powers that be wise up and open their minds to all possibilities. Vaccines alone aren't enough. Therapeutics have value, and belief and politics shouldn't be shaping how physicians think.
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Tell that to Pfizer
https://xenagoguevicene.wordpress.com/2021/08/04/pfizer-company-suppressed-ivermectin-use-as-covid-treatment-by-mordechai-sones-1-aug-2021/
Well, we all know they have a vested interest in doing whatever they can to increase sales of their product.
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And do you think that's why Ivermectin isn't more readily available?
shareIt's possible, but there are a lot of other factors involved. It's not just Big Pharma at work, but politics, bias, etc. Big Pharma (or anything, really) only has the power it does (as does anything) when people give it to them... via belief.
share”Let’s not overlook Ivermectin, it saves lives – Professor Colleen Aldous”
https://www.biznews.com/health/2021/07/29/colleen-aldous-ivermectin
”Twenty countries are using Ivermectin to treat Covid-19. They include Mexico, Guatemala, Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Portugal, Nigeria, and Egypt. In South Africa doctors are allowed to prescribe Ivermectin, but it is not being rolled out everywhere and in hospitals and clinics.”
https://www.biznews.com/health/2021/07/29/ivermectin-treatment
How dare they steel my “horse dewormer suppository” - ABCNNBCBS
shareEducate yourselves, "gullible minions:"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2021/08/29/ivermectin-a-40-year-old-anti-parasitic-now-embedded-in-a-covid-19-culture-war/?sh=4968a99cce09
Japan, India, Mexico, Czech Republic and 20 other countries are using Ivermectin and have seen a 75% drop in hospitalization rates
Educate yourself dumbass
Please cite your references so I can educate myself.
shareCzech republic - https://i.imgflip.com/5lpyvd.jpg
Ivermectin effectiveness - https://i.imgflip.com/5lpyjl.jpg
Also here - https://c19ivermectin.com/
Israel (Jab) vs India (Ivermectin) - https://i.imgflip.com/5llj2n.jpg
Vaccine causing Myopercarditis - https://i.imgflip.com/5lch8w.jpg
Japan uses Ivermectin - https://dreddymd.com/2021/08/29/japanese-medical-association-tells-doctors-to-prescribe-ivermectin-for-covid/
Mexico - https://www.citizensjournal.us/covid-deaths-plunge-after-major-world-city-introduces-ivermectin/
Lesson over where do I send your tutor bill dumbass?
All screenshots of dubious provenance or right-wing rags. No educated person would be swayed by those "references." And again ending with the childish insult-- so I ask again, how old are you? ( Also, these seem to be all dealing with intestinal parasites!)
shareYou completely ignored or denied my posts which is typical of left wingers. BTW, they aren’t from “right wing rags”!
Also, you will not accept the fact there are many who have treated themselves with HCQ, Zinc, & Ivermectin and have done quite well. No residual effects.
Interesting; they know it cures Covid, but they want to suppress that info because trillions of dollars in Big Pharma revenue is at stake.
shareNow you're catching on. Did you also know Pfizer is making a twice a day covid pill?
https://newspunch.com/pfizer-is-developing-twice-a-day-covid-pills-to-be-taken-alongside-vaccines/
I don't doubt it. I do doubt it won't have bad side effects and be very expensive like Remdesivir. They hate ivermectin because it's very inexpensive, safe, and effective. It would shut their money faucet off!
Same with vitamin-mineral-herbal supplements: they are safe and effective, and would shut down Big Pharma if people wised up. Instead they believe those TV ads that promote dangerous drugs.
Finally a sensible liberal. I remember your side being against big pharma, Monsanto and GMOs and it's nice to see one of you being reasonable about this
shareSo they dump on regular people using it, accusing them of using stuff "only meant for" horses, and yet give it to people from the 3rd world. What? Is it too good for American citizens to use? That we have to be treated like crap and denied it while poor little refugees get better treatment? Tell me there's something wrong with that picture!
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