Trump’s bad Taliban deal - Politics Discussion

[–] Keelai (36155) 4 years ago

Biden was only following Trump's agreement with the Taliban which didn't include the Afghanistan government.

The U.S should have stayed instead of allowing the Taliban to gain power again which will likely become a future threat.

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

Well the US should play chess a bit better. Neither stay nor go. They are too robotic. They are fighting a guerilla war and still thinking Vietnam war tactics.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Sign up then shit 4 brains, lets see your soldier skills in action.

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

You're an idiot. I'm a policy maker you fucking shit for brains. In this situation I'd get hired.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

LOL PoLiCy MaKeR

Is that your character today in the mental ward

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

You've never even left the country. Just putting you on ignore now because you're a pest.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

LOL you don't know what I've done but I know you're a liar, Shit 4 Brains

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[–] joej2923 (3145) 4 years ago

Policy maker my a$$. They're a policy wanker.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

LOL can you imagine Shit 4 Brain as a policy maker? Bet it's like one flew over the cuckoo's nest where he's trying to get hands raised to watch the world series

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[–] snepts (11123) 4 years ago

What the hell are you ranting about? I'll bet you are of the age of service, or soon will be. You follow your own advice and do something useful with that big brain of yours.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

I'm retired dumbass, I've said that many times

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[–] Keelai (36155) 4 years ago

American presence kept the Taliban from doing what is happening now. There are U.S. troops permanently stationed in countries around the world. Leaving an unstable country to terrorists makes no sense.

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

Having gone in the first place made no sense. Keelai how hell are you a liberal towing the neocon line that the Taliban are "terrorists?" They are just a despotic regime like the one in Myanmar like the kind of people RandallGraves supports.

If the government wants to defeat them they have to play a bit of chess.

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[–] Keelai (36155) 4 years ago

There is no defeat. Just stalemate which is why I wrote to station troops there.

I had said the Taliban were extremists and dangerous about two months before 9/11 which earned them the terrorists label.

I was 100% for American involvement to stop the Taliban before 9/11 when I read about their tyranny.

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

God you people. *rubs eyes* They cannot be "terrorists" if they are already in power. Terrorism is a political tactic used by those without militaries using violence to change power.

Like the Republicans in the US they are indeed extremists but they can be defeated if you beat them at their own game.

Ok look. They SAID THEMSELVES that they will retreat when an invading army enters, then advance when they leave, then retreat again when they re-enter and so on. So what the military needs to do is figure out how to disable that tactic.

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[–] Keelai (36155) 4 years ago

My understanding is that no invading army has ever won a war in Afghanistan. The U.S. presence would only be a stabilizing force like we are in Germany. Like you write, they retreat when we're there. So stay.

Taliban is not the government and they are not in power. The Taliban is invading cities and towns in order to gain rule.

They're cruel, crazy and commit human atrocities. The U.S. helped empower them during the former Soviet Union-Afghan war. This government has a habit of screwing up and then running off. Are the translators still trapped there? The evacuation is a mess.

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

That's supposedly true however Alexander and the Mongols did. Maybe you mean modern army. The US presence was never stabilizing otherwise it would be stable by now. Uhm we aren't a stabilizing force in Germany. What century are you in? Germany is a stabilizing force for the US and the world as Merkel is well known for this.

"Taliban is not the government and they are not in power. " They were at the time you call them the terrorists. They aren't terrorists.

"The U.S. helped empower them during the former Soviet Union-Afghan war. "

No they didn't. They just failed to stop their rise to power.

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[–] Keelai (36155) 4 years ago

U.S. troops in Germany are there to defer conflict, therefore a stabilizing force.

Taliban knows the U.S. is leaving. Of course, they're moving in.

Soviets destabilized Afghanistan by removing its leader. Proxy war when the U.S. supported the Taliban.

Taliban supports terrorism which makes the U.S. unsafe. But, I'll call them a tyranny which is more accurate.

Perhaps you're an isolationist at all cost? Its obvious that the U.S. withdrawal is a mess which is the reason troops are returning.

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

"U.S. troops in Germany are there to defer conflict"

Not conflict in Germany. They are part of NATO. They aren't there as a stabilizing force. There is no therefor. Have you even been to fucking Germany??

" Proxy war when the U.S. supported the Taliban."
They didn't support the Taliban! They supported the Mujaheddin. Damn it Americans learn some history both of you on the left and right.
The Taliban moved in after from a different tribal group because there was no one there to stop them.

"Taliban supports terrorism which makes the U.S. unsafe."
How do you know this? You don't. The US invasion of Afghanistan made the US unsafe.

General Wesley Clark said it was likely to "supercharge terrorism."

Even the CIA said as much.
“CIA Concerned US War on Terror Is Missing Root Causes,” AFP [Agence France-Presse], 29 October 2002,
http://www.dupagepeacethroughjustice.org/cia1.html

"Perhaps you're an isolationist at all cost?"
Isolationism usually costs LESS. WTF is going on here? 10 days ago you were anti-Republican and anti-war. Now Rorikon and Intothenight are anti-Trump.

I told you I was against the hasty withdrawal. I find it really perplexing why the military didn't even leave the keys to the equipment they left behind. We paid for that.
OK Since Republicans caused this mess, Democrats have to solve it again as usual. The Afghanis need to be protected now. However, the US needs to fight a smarter war, one less macho and without combat boots, one that is smarter and more leet footed. They need to move in BEHIND the Taliban and cut off their retreat lines. Then they need to flank them on all sides and then go at them from the front. When they try to retreat ambush them. Play the withdrawal then flank game again, and again and again until the Taliban don't know whether or not the coalition forces are there or not.

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[–] Keelai (36155) 4 years ago

"Austin said at a joint news conference with Kramp-Karrenbauer that the extra 500 U.S. troops will be stationed permanently in Germany’s Wiesbaden area as early as this fall.

“These forces will strengthen deterrence and defense in Europe. They will augment our existing abilities to prevent conflict, and, if necessary, fight and win,” Austin said in prepared remarks."
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/04/13/us-adds-500-troops-in-germany-ends-large-scale-troop-cut-plans-despite-trump-pledge-secdef/

Most of the Taliban were former Mujaheddin. Same difference.

I was never anti-war. That's an extreme position. Depends on the war. I support the U.S. involvement in WWII 100%. Ditto Afghan after 9/11. I was against the Iraq, Vietnam and Libya war/regime change. Majority of time it's about the U.S. rich trying to steal another country's resources which I'm against.

A 2-party system is needed in a healthy democracy. My issue isn't with moderate Republicans if they are intelligent and have integrity. Nor Liberal Republicans if they still exist.

My issue is with the GQP/Trumpite/extremists/domestic terrorists authoritarian party it has become.

Realistically, Americans aren't going to support a hot war in Afghanistan. That's why I wrote that U.S. troops should just be stationed there as a permanent presence to keep the Taliban at bay.

It sounds like the Taliban are gaining plenty of U S. paid arms and equipment.

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[–] Filmtenk2 (4137) 4 years ago

Never should have went to Afghanistan. The last justified war was WWII. Idk how to properly withdraw an army but there has to be a better way. Women, lgbtq and the translators are screwed and that's a tragedy. What a mess.

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[–] Keelai (36155) 4 years ago

The terrorists who arranged the attack on the U.S. were in Afghanistan. Do nothing and the attacks in the U.S. would've become common. They needed to be taken out.

BTW, Saudi Arabia's hands are not clean either, but they're "allies".

The U.S has a bad habit of causing messes in foreign countries. This withdrawal is nothing less than incompetence.

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[–] joej2923 (3145) 4 years ago

The Taliban sheltered the original Al Quaeda crew that committed the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The US had to invade Afghanistan to shut down the terrorist camps. I would agree that the US shouldn't have invaded Iraq even though Saddam Hussein was a tyrant. Some of the experts are saying that the Taliban will welcome Al Quaeda training camps again but they hopefully have learned from their mistakes.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/14/rep-michael-waltz-warns-of-al-qaeda-resurgence-amid-taliban-takeover/

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

Sorry you gotta come up with a better reference than the tabloid fake news than NYpost or Fox and a better routine than the fake story line we were told 20 years ago.

"The Taliban sheltered the original Al Quaeda crew that committed the 9/11 terrorist attacks. "
How the hell could they have done that if they died in the 9/11 attacks?

" The US had to invade Afghanistan to shut down the terrorist camps."

They trained in Florida. What did they invade Afghanistan for?

Al Qaeda never existed. Why is it never mentioned now? Because it never existed.
The Power of Nightmares: Baby It's Cold Outside
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/3755686.stm
https://watchdocumentaries.com/the-power-of-nightmares/

‘BBC’s killer documentary called “The Power of Nightmares“. Top CIA officials openly admit, Al-Qaeda is a total and complete fabrication, never having existed at any time. The Bush administration needed a reason that complied with the Laws so they could go after “the bad guy of their choice” namely laws that had been set in place to protect us from mobs and “criminal organizations” such as the Mafia. They paid Jamal al Fadl, hundreds of thousands of dollars to back the U.S. Government’s story of Al-Qaeda, a “group” or criminal organization they could “legally” go after. This video documentary is off the hook

There is ample evidence that Al Qaeda is a creation of the US intelligence apparatus and that the terror network was supported by the Bush Administration.
https://archives.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO407B.html

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[–] joej2923 (3145) 4 years ago

There is plenty of evidence showing that Osama Bin Laden founded Al Quaeda. I'm not familiar with that documentary but there are plenty of crazy documentaries out there. I'm surprised the BBC is affiliated with that documentary. Denying the existence of Al Quaeda is comparable to denying the Moon landings.

The VOAnews article shows a picture of the Al Quaeda troops training at the Al Farouq training camp near Kandahar. Al Quaeda had committed terrorist attacks against the US embassies in Africa, the USS Cole and the twin towers. Al Quaeda also bombed the twin towers back in 1993 but it wasn't as devastating. The US had to go into Afghanistan to attempt to eradicate Al Quaeda before they attempted another terrorist attack.

https://www.voanews.com/us-afghanistan-troop-withdrawal/al-qaida-will-return-afghanistan-british-official-says

https://www.history.com/topics/21st-century/al-qaeda

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

No there isn't.
It was totally fabricated.

"The VOAnews article shows a picture of the Al Quaeda troops training at the Al Farouq training camp near Kandahar. "
It's totally fake.

No believing in Al Qaeda is like believing the conspiracy that the moon landings never happened. You just happened to slip through the cracks. It's quite strange. Have you never asked yourself in the last 12 years what happened to them? They're gone, because they never existed. The media has not mentioned them once in over 12 years. They talk about IS and ISIS. Why do you think that is?

Watch the documentary. That's not a "crazy" documentary. It was put out by the BBC and only released in the US in 2009 after the Bush cabal had departed.
The Power of Nightmares: Baby It's Cold Outside
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/3755686.stm
https://watchdocumentaries.com/the-power-of-nightmares/

‘BBC’s killer documentary called “The Power of Nightmares“. Top CIA officials openly admit, Al-Qaeda is a total and complete fabrication, never having existed at any time. The Bush administration needed a reason that complied with the Laws so they could go after “the bad guy of their choice” namely laws that had been set in place to protect us from mobs and “criminal organizations” such as the Mafia. They paid Jamal al Fadl, hundreds of thousands of dollars to back the U.S. Government’s story of Al-Qaeda, a “group” or criminal organization they could “legally” go after. This video documentary is off the hook

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[–] joej2923 (3145) 4 years ago

The US has bombed the shit out of Al Qaeda with targeted drone strikes. It's unfortunate that there has also been some collateral damage but US drone attacks have targeted Al Qaeda operatives in Yemen, Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan. Bin Laden was killed in 2011 and he was the founder and financier of the organization. I might have to hate watch the documentary just so I can debate you on moviechat.

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/three-decades-after-its-founding-where-does-al-qaeda-stand-today-49093

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55225827 *** Afghanistan drone strikes killing civlians ***

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

No they didn't. Shut up. Just watch the documentary. The US was droning Taliban and ISIS. Dude Yemen was the first to start selling their oil in Euros before Iraq decided to. Seriously. You don't know enough to be talking about this. Do your research on Yemen the proxy war the US is having there via Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. Stop this stupid arguing on the internet just to avoid cognitive dissonance.

"Bin Laden was killed in 2011 and he was the founder and financier of the organization."

Man you keep towing the bullshit media line that was force fed to you for 7 years. Says who about financier of the organization? Why do you have to "hate" watch a documentary that will wake you the hell up? Just take the red pill already.
Watch this clip from the Matrix. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE7PKRjrid4
Watch it over and over again until you understand what Morpheus is saying. It is a VERY POLITICAL movie.

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[–] joej2923 (3145) 4 years ago

Your stupid documentary is a fantasy movie that is probably even more preposterous than the Matrix movies. The college dropout Wachowski sisters did a good job with the Matrix films but they entertainment. An entertaining sci-fi film series will not impact my view of the REAL world. You can stay in your little fantasy land where you are a prominent policy maker.

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

Oh my god you just slipped back into delusion. The documentary is a LEGITIMATE BBC Documentary that was aired on PBS in 2009. Just watch it.

"The college dropout Wachowski sisters did a good job with the Matrix films but they entertainment."
OMG you don't know anything. They stole the script. But watch that clip. The words are true. Speaking of scripts. Everything you write is like some kind of scripted algorithm. You don't have any thoughts of your own on anything. Everything has been force fed to you by the media including that garbage about the "Wachowskis."

Ooooh man you have some serious avoid and denial issues.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

Here fucking B...B....C dickhead. British Broadcasting Corporation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/3755686.stm
https://watchdocumentaries.com/the-power-of-nightmares/

There are three parts of it. Time for you to wake up sleepyhead.

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[–] Keelai (36155) 4 years ago

I was curious to know the reason for strong loyalty for
Osama bin Laden since no one sold him out for the large reward money so I read his son Omar's book, "Growing Up Bin Laden".

He writes that 9/11 wasn't his father's idea, but he approved it and other terrorists' acts. Osama didn't expect the buildings to fall, but was happy when they did. He wanted his sons to martyr themselves in a terrorists' act. Omar said they were hiding in Afghanistan in the mountains . He discusses Al-Qaeda. It's obvious Saudi royalty were in contact because at one point some arrived for Osama daughter's wedding.

After Omar left his father's group and lost contact, he suggested Osama may be hiding in Pakistan which ended up being true. The book was published years before he was found.

It's obvious Omar struggles with guilt over what his father did. It's a very revealing book about the type of man his father was.

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[–] joej2923 (3145) 4 years ago

Biden's already trying to blame Trump for the Afghanistan debacle but this is on Biden. I contend that the US should not have withdrawn troops until a deal was reached in Doha between the Taliban and the Afghan government. Biden just sent 3k troops to Afghanistan this week and he's trying to say Trump empowered the Taliban with his troop reduction back in 2020. Like his predecessor, Biden repealed numerous Trump executive orders so Biden is not bound by any of Trump's bad policies.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/doha-talks-afghanistan-end-with-call-accelerated-peace-process-halt-attacks-2021-08-12/

https://www.newsweek.com/biden-defends-afghanistan-decision-blames-trump-empowering-taliban-1619459

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

No no this was indeed Trump's deal long before Biden even showed up. Trump thought he had made a pipeline deal with the Taliban in 2018.

Can the Taliban be trusted to protect Afghanistan’s big bet on a gas pipeline?
by J.P. Lawrence
• • June 23, 2018
https://www.stripes.com/news/can-the-taliban-be-trusted-to-protect-afghanistan-s-big-bet-on-a-gas-pipeline-1.534360

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55775522
Afghan war: Biden administration to review Trump's Taliban deal

US signs historic deal with Taliban, Trump announces, beginning end of US war in Afghanistan and withdrawal of American troops
The deal is also supposed to lead to Afghan negotiations with the Taliban.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-sign-historic-deal-taliban-beginning-end-us/story?id=69287465

Trump’s bad Taliban deal
https://www.aei.org/articles/trumps-bad-taliban-deal/

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[–] joej2923 (3145) 4 years ago

It appears that the withdrawal of all troops was contingent upon successful peace negotiations in Doha that started in September 2020. The peace talks have NOT been successful so there is no reason to withdraw troops. The Taliban have been ramping up their attacks over the last couple months so that would mean that the Taliban did not abide by the terms of the deal.

I have heard a few commentators talk about the fighting season in Afghanistan and Biden is attempting to withdraw troops during the fighting season. A withdrawal should have been conducted after the conclusion of the fighting season. It's a bad withdrawal and it's on Biden.

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/the-end-of-afghanistan’s-spring-fighting-seasons-and-the-demise-of-the-afghan-national-secu

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 4 years ago

He's actually withdrawing them a couple months later than Trump was scheduled to.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Afghanistan_(2020%E2%80%932021)
The Trump administration agreed to an initial reduction of its force level from 13,000 to 8,600 by July 2020.

However, maybe he should make it a pretend to withdraw. We shouldn't be discussing this openly. PM me if you're serious.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

LOL PM Me if serious??? Like you've got some deep profound knowledge to share from the bowels of your mental ward LOL

You're a fucking clown

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[–] kspkap (13626) 4 years ago

”We shouldn't be discussing this openly. PM me if you're serious.”

Huh? Who in the hell is this guy? Ooh! Some important government official who has first-hand knowledge? CIA! FBI? HLS? MI-5 or MI-6? You should feel honored to be invited to a secret confab.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Oh he didn't invite me I just caught this convo after he claimed earlier in the night he was a "policy maker" and had traveled the world making laws for countries

LOLOLOLOLOL

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[–] kspkap (13626) 4 years ago

He’s a "policy maker"? He makes laws for countries? What laws? Where to place the latrines? 🤷🏼‍♀️

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Idk he blocked me instead of answering LOL I'm making all these leftist raise the white flag quicker than a Frenchman in 1940

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[–] kspkap (13626) 4 years ago

This idiom explains the white flags being raised. BTW, doesn’t a white flag denote racism? We need to choose a different color. Yellow would work! They are cowards after all.

”The truth does not mind being questioned.
A lie does not like being challenged.”

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[–] Lord Rake (4536) 4 years ago

The scary thing is, he legitimately could be a policy maker for the current admin. One that makes horrible policy and then goes on movie chat websites to promote it or blame its incompetence on someone else. He could be Vindman, probably is.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

He's probably the tranny Health Secretary LOL

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[–] B1cKsurN (17826) 4 years ago

Biden had to have the glory by moving the date to 9/11. He's an demented moron.

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[–] joej2923 (3145) 4 years ago

I wonder if he is really stubborn. He made a decision to withdraw the troops but did not keep track of the violent acts of the Taliban. Similarly, he has embraced the vaccine and is striving for 100% vaccination without keeping an eye on the failures of the vaccines.

It could also be the kompromat on Hunter or the promise of Hunter's art sales. Foreign powers might have wanted the US out of Afghanistan and Biden might be answering to them.

My last crazy theory is that Beau Biden's death shook Biden up so much that he is making an emotional decision based on his grief over his dead son. Biden said he didn't want more troops dying in Afghanistan but military service does come with some risks.

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[–] snepts (11123) 4 years ago

From one Demented Moron to Another, you have my Blessings !

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[–] TimMC (9143) 4 years ago

I fucking knew it couldn't be the GOAT's fault.

God Bless You, OP!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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[–] snepts (11123) 4 years ago

the gyroscope finally toppled over with it's own Entropy !

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[–] HarlemEagle42 (18430) 4 years ago

The Republicans are already trying to cover this up.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-takes-down-2020-page-touting-trumps-historic-peace-agreement-with-the-taliban/ar-AANmdUr?li=BBnbfcL

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