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COVID Origin "Conspiracy" about Wuhan Lab Perhaps Not a Conspiracy After All?

posted 4 years ago by warrior-poet (1357)
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Ex-New York Times science writer Nicholas Wade certainly thinks so. Hmmm. I think we need to wait before jumping on the bandwagon, but this is some very interesting information that's been hinted at previously, but lost amidst the conspiracy nuttiness (which may not have been so nutty after all). If you lean right don't pile onto this just yet, but follow it closely. There may be something to it. If you lean left, don't dismiss this as a possibility. Consider all data and leave it open as possible. But it's starting to look pretty solid that this was a lab-leak, and perhaps even was an effort to intentionally design a human-to-human COVID variant partially funded with U.S. tax dollars that was accidentally leaked. A big question is why isn't mainstream media and large cable news outlets all over this?

https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038
https://mtracey.substack.com/p/as-new-evidence-emerges-for-covid
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[–] joej2923 (3021) 4 years ago

I believe it's a manmade weapon that leaked from a lab. Most of the mainstream media/large cable news outlets are not independent. Big corporations with business interests in China own most of the big media companies. Disney owns ABC. AT&T owns CNN through Warner Media. Comcast owns MSNBC.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/29/847948272/why-the-u-s-government-stopped-funding-a-research-project-on-bats-and-coronaviru

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8823825/Coronavirus-Chinese-virologist-accuses-Beijing-faking-virus-genome-data-hide-bioweapon.html

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/chinese-scientists-discussed-weaponising-sars-coronaviruses-5-years-before-covid-pandemic-report/articleshow/82498904.cms

[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

I believe it is a man made bio-weapon alright and I think it was leaked deliberately.

[–] kspkap (13555) 4 years ago

I agree with you.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Bingo

[–] Rorikon (17855) 4 years ago

Not man-made. Enough people studying this and people getting infected by it along with Chinese tourists out and about that we would know if it were man-made after examining the genome sequence themselves, no need to rely on sequence released by China. I would say more likely a leak from a lab.

Update: Nvm, could be possible due to Gain of Function research and possible hiding of details with monetary gain. Sadly we'll never know the full truth due to all this secrecy and cover up from China and conflicts of interests with people investigating the origins.

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 4 years ago

If you lean left, don't dismiss this as a possibility. Consider all data and leave it open as possible.

Not so fast there, chief. Burden of proof is on the one making the claim. If the claim does not meet that burden, logic dictates you dismiss it until the burden is met.

What you're really saying is, "if you lean left, don't think scientifically because that would make it harder to spread propaganda and I really like the fantasies it provides."

If you lean right don't pile onto this just yet, but follow it closely. There may be something to it.

Clearly, your mind is already made up, but the "don't pile onto this just yet" is a tactic you can use to weasel out of it if the whole thing is proven a hoax.

But the sad truth about hoaxes is they are rarely proven to be hoaxes. When no data is found to support them, they linger on because there was no data to give any investigation a starting point. That's how PizzaGate lasted for so long. It took a guy shooting up the place to make it go away.

[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

But it was just the opposite. It was immediately claimed that COVID-19 had originated at the wet meat market in Wuhan when there was no evidence at all to back that up.

COVID-19 possessed the ability to spread very easily from human to human straight away which is highly unusual for a virus that was supposed to have just jumped from animals to humans. It is much, much more likely to be a laboratory engineered virus.

[–] warrior-poet (1357) 4 years ago

Incorrect. I meant what I said. I said what I meant.

My mind is never made up about anything... at all. Everything is a matter of probability based on currently available information. Everything. Even the very chair I now sit on as I type this sentence has an extremely improbable yet possible chance of decohering at a quantum level, causing me to pass through it and hit the floor (or more of a probability of mechanically failing and pitching me backwards, which did happen a number of years back and was both not fun but rather funny). Nothing is 100%. Nothing.

The evidence presented in this latest article (which I highly suggest you read, and with an open mind) for me pushes the probability range more toward it having escaped from a lab (with a small possibility of it being there to start gain-of-function testing, since that lab specifically existed for that purpose) versus it having been naturally transferred to humans. But it's not 100%. Almost certainly never will be. As soon as you think it is, you’re immediately wrong to some percentage. Never lock in. Remain ever adaptable.

Until you start thinking like this (it takes persistent, daily effort to avoid the trap of belief), you’ll always land on a side, to decide 100% in the affirmative or negative. The human brain is organically limiting, but we should make every effort to avoid thinking in binary terms. Although it’s human nature to do so due to evolutionary emotional coping mechanisms, it's impossible to truly know something with certainty, even whether or not the chair you’re sitting in as you read this very sentence is going to maintain its structural integrity the next time you sit down in it. Belief has both propelled and hindered human evolution, but it’s time to purge it.

So no, I haven’t made my mind up. I will always question to some degree. But the fact you think I did acts like a Rorschach test and only reveals that you have. I suggest you change your mind, stop believing, stopping picking a side, and instead start thinking like a scientist (something most scientists don’t do anymore, unfortunately), with every concept existing in degrees of probability.

Shed all bias and instead read the article.
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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Another big question is why was used the term 'conspiracy' in first place. Labels like 'conspiracy' or 'negationist' should be used to refer to crazy stuff. In practice, though, they're used to disqualify anybody who doesn't agree with the official position of the "scientific" designed bureaucracy.

I guess we'll never know what really happened. Personally, I give the natural origin vs lab leak a 50/50 chance. But the question is: how can be labeled as 'conspiracy' the possibility that it was a leak from the biolab a few km far from the origin point that was dealing exactly with that type of virus? WTF?

[–] TimMC (9143) 4 years ago

Let's put it this way, if this virus would have had its original outbreak at McDonald's in Atlanta GA the entire world would have KNOWN where this virus originated.

This is not a giant leap of logic, people!

PS. For the people who don't live in this world, the CDC of the USA is in Atlanta GA.

[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

Does not look good.

Both America AND China might be to blame (USA funded site on Chinese soil)

From NY Post -

"When I first saw the furin cleavage site in the viral sequence, with it's arginine codons, I said to my wife it was the smoking gun for the origin of the virus. These features make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2 (covid19)" said David Baltimore, an eminent virologist and former president of the California Institute of Technology.

Statements from such a expert are alarming.

[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

NBC news just reported and confirmed that US intelligence stated 3 Wuhan lab workers of the Wuhan Institute of Virology got sick and even went to the hospital Covid BEFORE the pandemic even began.

[–] warrior-poet (1357) 4 years ago

I was just seeing that from various sources. Even Fauci is starting to warm up to the idea, now that information regarding this notion is continuing to trickle out. In time, the truth will become more apparent, whatever that may be.
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