I think America needs a new war and invading Iran would be a great idea for world peace.
Do you agree? I thing invading Iran and taking over the government and natural resources would take 3-4 weeks.
https://www.indexmundi.com/iran/natural_resources.html
Support another war, support Operation World Freedom. Invade Iran today.
Only if all the scumbags in Washington were on the front lines when we invade. They look very attractive as cannon-fodder.
shareOld men in rooms will never be at the front lines. Young men & woman from American suburbs will head the invasion. Young Jewish academics will stay in school, keep the country going.
shareYoung Iranians who killed young Americans will be in the wave of refugees getting instant access to America too.
As you have pointed out, it's a "never" scenario. I see no reason to invade Iran at all. Better to let them destroy themselves without outside help.
share3-4 weeks to take the capital and defeat their military. The next 10 or so years fighting all the militant factions and then stopping those factions from killing each other.
Oh and training a new Iran military that you can fight later on.
No, but I ran to invade love once.
shareBad idea. Iran will crack soon enough, no need to force it.
shareHmm, when was the last time a democratic president started an unfounded war.
Not recently, it's Republicans who stick us in shitty situations that are hard to get out of. People you vote for. George H?
There is not Dems and Reps. There is "establishment" and "anti-establishment". Bush,Biden and Obama are establishment. Obama bombed Lybia (which created a mess,a giant mess in Lybia and all Europe with immigration) and Syria. Biden voted in favor of the Iraq war. Trump instead,didnt start any new foreign war.
shareSo, Trump, the under the table money hander, and the under the table money taker is not establishment? Bullshit.
Umm, I do believe the problem was with Syria with immigration, not Libya. Seriously WTF?
You believed wrong. In America the immigrants came only from Syria,but in Europe came also from Lybia. And yes,Trump is anti-establishment otherwise he would have never been attacked so much by the media. I wont say that he ALWAYS disobbeyed to the establishment,sometimes he obeyed to them,but often he disobeyed to them,thats why they hate him.
shareFuck Trump, useless POS that he is. Go on believing your anti establishment load of horseshit.
Every president is attacked by the media, he just chose to be a pretentious twat about it.
Trump is and always has been "establishment". Your fooling yourself.
American presidents do not go around looking to start wars. When certain crises happen sometime the process escalates to war. I think it is more of a coincidence who is in office at the time, although with Republicans so joined at the hip with military contractors and the whole corporatocracy they are always looking for ways to funnel money to the military.
The thing is, we have this military we do so we can stay strong and defend ourselves, but if soldiers do not get experience and technology does not get tried out it is almost useless, so I think sometimes we will have wars as exercises and demonstrations.
Although I am a pretty extreme progressive, I think progressives ought to keep their sights focuse on what they can do at home for people and the environment and stop all this fooling around against the military - which usually from the extreme Left perspective is all used up to all the misguided energy they put into hating Israel. That is one thing I never understand - why is the American Left so hooked in with Palestine and Muslims ... it is certainly not because Islam has any kind of democracy or socialism, they are authoritarian despotisms of low tech totalitarianism. Those kinds of governments are something we should be happy to regime change.
You're on your own here. Enough of my family has died for the military and are still in the military that I am not willing to send more of them to war to "practice".
In fact I am highly against it. Send your family over.
Wtf, the left is hooked in with Palistine?
Dude....?
Palestine
So, your family takes orders from you ... as in "you send them off the war" or is that their own decision?
Yes, the Left has been reported on as being pro-Palestinian. Look at any of the Left's channels, Democracy Now!, or any of the YouTube channels that purport to be Leftist, or Progressive and they all constantly report bad stuff about Israel and virtually nothing about what goes on in Palestine.
If you do not know that, then what business do you have discussing it online?
No, my family does not take orders from me. I just would rather not see them sent out to war to "PRACTICE".
Honestly, this seems like a conversation not worth having.
Plus I will talk about anything online that I desire to, what business do you have telling me anything you twat?
Like I said, I would rather stay out of shithole Middle East. Let those fuckers kill each other.
Israel has a great military. Enough said, let them do it.
> I just would rather not see them sent out to war to "PRACTICE".
I did not say that. What I said was that there were side-benefits to engaging in military conflict that assist with future military conflict and in debugging and improving strategies and equipment.
For example, traumatic medicine from the military has filtered into the mainstream in ways to assist with crash, violence and accident victims in the civilian space.
Arguing in such a simple way is a waste of your time and mine, and if you cannot put a little more thought into your comments I will have to not bother with them or put you on ignore.
Calling me names for being honest and rational and saying your mode of communication is pretty much shid makes it seem like you brain is inferior and you are violent because you are inferior yourself.
Your opinions are about as intelligent and deep as the average Trump supporters. Fine with me if you do not want to take the time to think about things instead of jumping to the redneck line of thought, but if that works for you, great.
And by the way, just to catch you up to 50 years ago ....
The all-volunteer force has been one of America's great success stories over the past five decades. In 1973, the United States eliminated the draft, creating the military as it is today.
So, in other words you can just take all those nasty words and insults on this page or that you hurled at me, and pile them all up and apply them to yourself, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
> Hmm, when was the last time a democratic president started an unfounded war.
Not sure that is the issue or the problem.
Almost immediately after WWII Truman and then Eisenhower, Democrat and Republican ( if you can even equate the two parties of that time with the messed up situation we have today ) set about interfering all over the world. Stepping in as a Imperial military power all over the world - all backed by big US corporations and commercial cartels.
Americans never got to vote to decide this, or were even informed about it very often. The first major story I can point to was Maj. Gen. Smedley D. Butler's book "War Is A Racket" talking about how even though he was a celebrated and lavishly decorated and lauded military man, he thought of himself as a Gangster for [ American-style ] Capitalism.
Maybe this was not put before the people because it was though that they people would not understand or not support this violent continuation of the American way of military and violent force. This has continued up to the present day, and after retreating a bit in South and Central America the US now seems to be back to its old tricks, and we are still not even apologetic for what we did in Cuba in terms of stunted that country trying to make it fail so our "Mafia" could take it back over.
The American people cannot even get a fair and honest election, or even a honest and open campaign unless they raise holy hell about it ... and, a pandemic happens to hit to disrupt establishment election tampering antics.
This is not really about political parties, it is about an organization above the level of our elected government that controls all the money in the country, and impoverishes those who it doesn't appreciate existing within the boundaries of our country, even if they are citizens, and pretty much cuts them off, criminalizing them and withholding health care. This is every bit as vicious as what happened in the native American genocide or African slavery.
You are all over the place my man, make a point and get to it. I'm not your western civics teacher, not here to read your dissertation, go write an essay or term paper, and spout this shit to them.
GFyourself, that is no kind of response that anyone can make any use of except a mentally ill person trying annoy others.
shareOh, so harsh.
Like I said. Make a fucking point. If you can't get to it in without spouting 300 years of history and droning on and on then stfu.
You seem like you are off some sort of meds.
Are we supposed to put things in a manner you understand?
Unlike when maybe you had to attend some sort of school, where I imagine people explained concepts in more than five words.?
I don't think you would appreciate that either.
Lol, yes, me dumb. Me put military in wars for practice. Me talk and talk a lot and not make a point.
Mostly, I am on your side, but starting wars so our military gets experience is not in my realm.
I understand completely, but make a stupid point, your going to get a stupid rebuttal.
Though, I can be a complete asshole all day long as well, and no fucks given about it.
Dems don't go to war. They sign nuclear deals and put the tensions to rest.
Repubs cancel those deals, assassinate generals, and then sit on the brink of war until Putin calls them up and tells them it's a bad idea.
Biden voted for the Iraq war. Obama bombed Lybia creating a huge,huge mess in Lybia and in all Europe. And also bombed Syria.
shareBush strong-armed dems to vote for the Iraq war by claiming they were unpatriotic if they didn't.
Obama saw a weakness in Khaddafi's militia and decided to take him out... quickly.
Obama droned Syria to keep right-wing media off his back, and Trump traded Syria for Yemen because Syria is an ally of Russia.
Isn't it Sirya? Oh man, now I'm all confused.
shareA little of both are required. Suleimani deserved assassination. Iraq/Afghanistan was good for the whole world in the very long run, but the wars were mismanaged and corrupt. In general you are right, but the other comment dividing leadership across establishment and anti-establishment factions makes sense too. Just remember a huge part of our economy feed of the government spending and the military - as does a lot of our technological lead in the world and military power.
To me anyway, military and war, are secondary issues politically. What should be the priority is to get our own house in order. If we did that right we would be a model in the world that people would want to duplicate and follow instead of a laughingstock and a power to be feared because of corruption.
Don't know what most of this means. You should make a point and back it up with info. This is just meandering.
I usually just go with being an asshole, I just don't meander with useless diatribe.
The problem is the hardliners of Iran need a guy like Trump to stay in power. The people of Iran are tired of it and want democracy, but then things like the assassination of Soleimani allow the hardliners to convince the people to keep them in power to stop a guy like Trump. With Biden in office and no assassinations, the people start to realize again that its time to ditch the hardliners.
We were making real progress with Obama and the Nuclear deal, but Trump ripped it up to appease the Saudis and Israel.
That's just a guess on your part. Iran has been working behind the scenes creating underground bunkers and leaving those who refuse to allow them to go nuclear no other choice but targeted assassination. The people of Iran are not goats to be herded by propaganda, at least not most of them.
Read the Iran news or the news about Iran. They put a girl in prison a while ago for posting distorted pictures of herself on the internet. And still the dumbos on the American Left ( as opposed to the rational Lefties like I am ) see with Iran like they are spiritually connected. The societies over in the Middle East are cut off from the world and under the thumbs of the elites who mind control them with low-tech Islam - and ain't nothing the West or US does good nor bad that is going to change them.
Accepting blame for something like this is a way to whistle in the dark by the graveyard and to pretend one has power over something like connecting it to something one does ... but that is not true. These countries have been backward for centuries ... ironically after being one of the most advanced cultures in the world back in ancient days. And Saudi Arabia is even worse. Israel is the only society that is modern and advanced where even the Jew are becoming secularized - because that is the future. Failure to move to modernity is the problem with "orient", i.e. the Middle East ... but in 30 more years or by the time we are all dead that is likely to be reversed naturally just like in the US we finally moved towards a more democratic type of election by counting the votes of the people the establishment doesn't like or trust.
Iran was doing just fine until the US and Britain lead a coup against the Prime Minister and installed the Shah in his place. Back then women were driving and wearing western clothes. By installing a puppet so we could control their oil, the Ayatollah got to lead a revolution against the Shah by telling the people exactly who he is. Iran leadership has been radicalized against the US ever since.
It's our foreign interference that keeps it that way.
> Iran was doing just fine until the US and Britain lead a coup against the Prime Minister and installed the Shah in his place.
You have no evidence to that effect, especially because the coup was so easily accomplished, it's most likely BS.
> Back then women were driving and wearing western clothes.
Now I know you are not correct because it was the Shah who encouraged that and thus set the clerics against him. It was his Savoc secret police and their brutality that turned the US to questioning him ... he brought his downfall on himself, but there was probably no other way to fight these religious fanatics. It was the failure of the US to get the Shah our and find an acceptable new leader for Iran.
But it is funny that you say that things were fine - women were wearing Western clothes - I agree with you, but you have had it backwards.
But I do agree with you, the US should have not meddled with Mossedai's (sp?) government. But at the time you also have to realize that it was not the US, per se, it was the oil companies, and after WWII oil from the Middle East was something that won the Allies the war and they were very paranoid and fearful of losing control of. Not to mention that Iran at the time was also allied with and very partial to Hitler's beliefs about Jews.
It really takes a long time to study these things and hold aside what one has heard or one's prejudices and see the drift of history over time. The whole area is a mess over there. Like what is becoming of the US under Trump ... it was not the people, it was different priorities and strategic resources that were the issue. Iran borders with Russia and the Cold War was just starting ... and that is still an over-riding issue today.
There is a video in the "Why We Fight" series that goes into ( in a propagandistic way ) about the Caspian Sea and the battle for this oil in WWII.
I have always been greatly concerned with the merging of the economy with the military. This really feels like we feed military contractors huge $$ and we have to justify it by displaying military might toward people it's only going to piss off.
Entire communities rise and fall with whether they have that military base or munitions factory, and it seems like the more the better. Of course we need a strong military, but we need diplomacy as the first tool and use more of our wealth to making a better society, not wasting it on flyovers, Armed Forces advertising, and all kinds of other wasteful spending.
And when someone claims it's just Libs wanting free stuff, that's an insult to the whole American conversation.
The problem is that ever since humans stopped hunter gathering and decided to farm and stay on a specific piece of land war has been the name of the game ... and that has been going for about 10,000 years or more now. I think it's mostly habit and reflex by now, it is too hard to change, which means by intergalactic alien intelligence there really is no intelligent life on planet Earth.
shareIf Iran follows up on their threat to kill former President Trump...some sort of reply would be required.
I doubt they honestly wanted him killed, not Iran's hard-line government anyway. They need a guy like Trump to off their generals so they can convince the Iranian citizens to keep them in office.
When there's no conflict, the Iranian citizens push back on their right-wing government.