What the hell did they expect? This reminds me of a Dirty Harry quote. "What the hell did you want me to do? Yell trick or treat at them?" Cowardly and inept city management at the detriment of law abiding citizens.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-city-council-alarmed-by-surge-in-crime-months-after-voting-to-defund-the-police
How F-ing stupid do they have to be not to know what would happen when they defunded the police? How delusional were they to think all the criminals in their cities would just hold hands and sing "kum-bay-ya" and not take advantage of this situation? I hope all their homes get burned down and trashed by the very animals they made the mistake of supporting.
share“Residents are asking, ‘Where are the police?’” said Council Member Jamal Osman, noting that constituents' calls to the Minneapolis Police Department have gone unanswered. "That is the only public safety option they have at the moment. MPD. They rely on MPD. And they are saying they are nowhere to be seen.”
As doogie likes to say, oops winning?
This is Trumps America.
shareStates and Cities are allowed to govern themselves, unless you want Martial Law.
shareYou bitch and moan about the carnage and disruption that Covid has brought to us (on all levels), but you (like most Dems) secretly LOVE it, so you can say, "This is Trumps America."
You truly are despicable... A darker soul, I've never encountered. It takes a lot of negative energy to hate the way you do.
Why don't you and Nancy have a prayer meeting over it all?
Criminals thank the city council as they continue to steal everything from Minneapolis while shouting BLACK LIVES MATTER and REPARATIONS! Can't wait until people move out of that now turned craphole of a mess. I bet this is the same mentality they use on dealing with illegal migration, homelessness, etc. When you gimp the police to using only bare basics on keeping the peace, no life is worth sacrificing when the criminal themselves are most likely packing, especially when they're in a mob group mentality.
sharethey didn't actually defund them yet, moron
shareSo then tell me. If the council is bitching about the crime now and nothing has been defunded yet, is crime going to go up or down when it actually gets defunded???
Duhhhhhhhhhhhh.......
Who knows, but the question still stands...why is the crime wave happening now?
shareWho knows??? You're not too smart, are you?
shareYes, exactly, who knows manure for brains, WHY is there a crime wave if no cops have been laid off and no equipment has been removed from the force.
shareIf the crime wave is happening prior to the lay offs, why would it diminish when there are less cops on the street, pray tell? How the hell can you not follow simple common sense???
shareWhat common sense? You've made no sense since you've been farting out posts. I never said the crime wave would stop if there were fewer cops. Point to where I said or implied that. You seem to resolutely avoid answering the question. Why is there a crime wave before anything relative to the June vote by the council has been implemented?
shareI didn't imply you said the crime wave would stop. Why would it? Why would it go downward if the there would be less police presence on the streets?
Why is there a crime wave? Because of PILLAGING! If the city won't arrest pillagers than why would there be a decrease in crime?
You are an absolute moron. None of this requires an iota of explanation for anybody with a shred of common sense.
Then why'd you ask this asinine question? "If the crime wave is happening prior to the lay offs, why would it diminish when there are less cops on the street, pray tell?" Was it because you spaced out with your fingers of the keyboard? LOL
The thread...noob, is about this...since your memory seems short.
"Minneapolis City Council alarmed by surge in crime months after voting to defund the police How F-ing stupid do they have to be not to know what would happen when they defunded the police? "
And yet you can't explain how the crime wave is related to the council's vote to defund. In fact squat-thrust, you are admitting that the crime wave has all to do with incompetent policing and perhaps lack of enforcement...which...has zero to do with reduced POLICE FUNDING which hasn't even taken effect yet.
Truth be told, you've embarrassed yourself by suggesting the cops were wilfully reneging on their oath to uphold the law and are trying to backpedal. You said,
"Even if the police hasn't been defunded yet, the vote to defunded has already caused law enforcement to change in Minneapolis. If DAs won't prosecute pillagers, then why should cops risk their lives to arrest them? If their tactics are going to be scrutinized and their own DA and mayor won't even give them the benefit of the doubt, then why should they put themselves in harms way?
So tell me. What do you think the Police Chief is telling his officers? What's the Police union in Minneapolis saying? Do you really think cops are going to go out of their way in to protect others and property, when their city has turned their backs against them? How naive are you to think that everything would stay the same only until actual budget cuts occur? "
So...are the police not doing their jobs? Is it their job to decide who to arrest and what calls to answer based on what the DA might do?
With the skill you have developed back pedalling and dodging questions, you should join the circus...for morons.
Because it's a rhetorical question. That's why. I mean, isn't it obvious to you??? Seriously, how dense are you???
You're too ignorant to admit your stupidity and now you're just endlessly going to circular argue the same horseshit. It is blatant common sense, but you're too ignorant and pigheaded to admit it.
You're more than welcome to keep posting and bumping my thread to the top. I'll gladly accept your idiocy for more views.
maybe there will be a surge in cctv slaes and neighborhood watch setups and crime will go down...
shareWhat you'll have is an increase sale in guns, because people can no longer count on cops coming to their aid. That's already a fact, thus you'll have more homicides whether they be self-defense or not.
shareWhy can't people count on cops? You keep saying this then have to worm your way out to keep from admitting cops who are still on the job, still getting paid, but are reneging and not living up to the oath they took. To hear you, it seems they're copping out.
shareWhy do black people always say exactly that? Hypocrite much?
Where is the increase crime happening, exactly? White neighborhoods? Urban neighborhoods? Increased black on black crimes?
If cops won't go into riot zones, who's going to protect the business owners, pray tell? What's the point if cops go in even catch the perp if the city is just going to release them? Tell me? All of the normal non pillage zones will be normal, but the pillage zone will see an increase in crime and lower response time.
Seriously question. How dense are you???
These baboons started a thread without thinking it through. If the increase in crime was linked to defunding police, we'd see it happening AFTER the money was cut, after cops were fired/laid off, after equipment was sold off, after they got rid of vehicles, etc. But it's not. Nothing's changed EXCEPT for a council vote. Whether it's true or not, these posters have pretty much admitted that they think cops WOULD slowdown their response time, would 'refuse to act,' would refuse to arrest people, would refuse to uphold their oath, etc. Which is essentially saying the cops would break the law because of some injustice. And this breaking of the law would actually endanger people and property. So in a way, according to these posters, the cops would be doing essentially the same thing the rioters are doing...breaking the law,endangering lives and property for some perceived injustice. I don't agree with these posters that this crime wave is due to anything the cops are doing or refusing to do...but that's what the posters who are supposedly defending the police seem to be saying.
shareYou didn't even read the article did you?
shareYep...and I don't agree with that council president. Do you? Are the cops actually intentionally not enforcing the law...refusing to make arrests? Do you imagine the police are actually breaking the law and failing to honor their oaths?
The police chief...who I believe...said that wasn't the case.
But regardless, that would have nothing to do with and would not have caused the increased crime wave and so the OP was being stupid by acting as if the crime wave was somehow inevitable due the vote. The police budget was increased by $10 million this year (2020) to $193 million and just in July, the council voted to transfer $1 million to other programs...JUST a measly $1 million. And THAT is supposed to have suddenly caused a crime wave?
Didn't read it, eh? Ignorance is Strength, innit?
How can you be so dense? Since you're so stupid, I have to keep my posts to you short. You didn't seem to grasp a rhetorical question, so I can't even give you that benefit anymore.
Now what started the pillaging in Minneapolis, pray tell?
I read it, but obviously you hadn't. At least that's what your posts indicated. Because if you had read it, you'd have been able to answer my question of WHAT had happened since the vote. I asked it several times and you had not been able to answer it...dodging and weaving, side-stepping, whinging and whining, all the time. LOL The answer which I already knew, but you were reluctant to admit was...essentially NOTHING had been done except $1 million was transferred to other programs. Since your' math skills are probably as limited as your reasoning skills, I'll work that out for you...$1 million out of $193 million is about 1/2 a percent. or 0.005 of the budget. SO...NOW TELL ME, why is the crime rate going up...and why had ibeen going up before the vote. And this $193 million was $10 million more than last year's budget or a 5.5% increase. So...what did the police DO with that 5.5% increase? Hire hookers?
Your short posts are because you have a short attention span and limited vocabulary...don't blame someone else. Blaming others is Trump's forte, you do it ill. You're the friggin dense dolt.
The dissatisfaction with the police did not START with some council vote...it was already occurring on the streets.
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/20/minneapolis-police-department-reports-increased-hostility-toward-officers/
So the council vote was in response to that dissatisfaction voiced BY THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-city-council-alarmed-by-surge-in-crime-months-after-voting-to-defund-the-police
suggests the problem had been going on LONG before the June vote...even Fox news knows it.
I see. I have to call your ignorance for you to read the article and now you want to petulantly say I didn't read it. Such a child you are!😂😂😂
After all your chepooka spewing, you still failed to answer my question. Again, what started the pillaging in Minneapolis? That should be a rhetorical question, but I want to hear your answer.
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shareExactly how much has actually happened in the process to disband police and replace them with a community-based system of public safety since that decision a few months ago? Aren't they still operating under the budget that was in place before the council voted? IOW, despite the lack of wisdom in disbanding police, has the uptick in crime coincided with any actual changes to the police force brought on by the council's vote? How many police have been laid off DUE TO the council's decision? How much money has actually been removed from the budget? How much equipment has been discarded/sold? What programs have been discontinued?
Or is this uptick in crime due to, say, criminals simply renewing efforts thinking the time is right or is it normally law abiding citizens frustrated by the council's decision and launching a crime wave to 'show them' or is it due to a voluntary slowdown by police who are still on the job and being paid and/or due to some effort by 911 workers to 'slow down' the response time as a form of protest?
Even if the police hasn't been defunded yet, the vote to defunded has already caused law enforcement to change in Minneapolis. If DAs won't prosecute pillagers, then why should cops risk their lives to arrest them? If their tactics are going to be scrutinized and their own DA and mayor won't even give them the benefit of the doubt, then why should they put themselves in harms way?
So tell me. What do you think the Police Chief is telling his officers? What's the Police union in Minneapolis saying? Do you really think cops are going to go out of their way in to protect others and property, when their city has turned their backs against them? How naive are you to think that everything would stay the same only until actual budget cuts occur?
So....what you've described had nothing to do with 'defunding.'
From what you've described, it's what I said..the cops are deciding to not do their jobs out of spite? As if dereliction of duty and going back on their oath is ok because they got their feeling hurt.
Why shouldn't cops actions be scrutinized?
And they should put themselves in harms way because they took an oath.
I wasn't sure the council made the right decision, but if police force is made up of people who take their commitments so casually, maybe they do need to restructure and hire new people with better character.
I don't know what the police chief is telling his cops and what the union is saying. What do you think they're saying? Something about a work slowdown? Something about we'll show them how belligerent we can be? Something about not obeying orders because of what might happen?
How do you think the criminal element found out that the cops were going to slow down...if they did? Because cops deciding NOT to answer calls doesn't mean there should be MORE calls. Do you think the union is in cahoots with some criminal element and is, what, extorting?
The budget may not be defunded yet, but the council approving the defunding unanimously is pretty much a vote of no confidence in the current law enforcement.
What did cops sign on for in the first place? Did they take their oaths when the city had their backs, or when the city turned their backs on them?
It depends on who is doing the scrutinizing. That's what investigations are for. You idiots jump to conclusions all the time and take every minutia out of context so you can have the false narrative to pillage on the streets.
The police are hired under a union. Don't get me wrong. I hate unions. Go bitch to the police union and their worker rights then.
If your boss tells you to write up a report and be as detailed as possible and you do so, when you turn it in, he shreds it, without looking at it. Now tell me. What was the point of doing all of that work?
How does the criminal element find out? Damn! You seriously lack basic common sense!
If you go out and commit crimes of looting, assault, vandalism and don't get caught and you see others doing the exact same thing and they don't get caught, then what do you think the people on the fence will mostly do?
You really are pretty dim. Why don't you think before you post? Just FYI.
So what if the council's vote was essentially a no confidence vote? It doesn't matter why they took an oath...they took an oath to uphold the law. So...since you seem to understand things so clearly, (cough cough) explain what exactly are the police doing differently now than they were doing before the vote and why?
shareOpen you're eyes. Read the articles. If a riot breaks out, there is minimal police presence if any. The city considers these pillagers, "peaceful protesters" so no police presence is required, yes? When assaults and felony looting get reported, the calls are answered, but it doesn't change the fact that the amount of calls have gone up due to the "peaceful protesters".
I mean how stupid are you? That's basic basic common sense.
Why is there minimal police presence? The budget is essentially the same as before the vote and is still larger than last years budget. Again, I ask and hate to think it, but are the police just reneging on their oaths...pretending to be busy...lying...breaking the law and endangering citizens in the process? That sounds like what you are accusing the peaceful protesters of doing. Are the cops just 'peaceful protesters' now...peacefully deciding not to respond because their feelings are hurt? And folks complain that some football players take a knee, which hurts no one and now you're defending cops who renege and fail to uphold their oaths because of what might happen.
shareWhy is there minimal police presence? Why do mayors refuse the federal guards assistance? That's a rhetorical question. I have to explicitly state that since you don't know the difference.
Again, how dense are you?
As the saying goes, there is none so blind as he who does not want to see. While it’s completely predictable if it conflicts with their ideology, they will not see it.
shareTo put it even more succinctly, "Ignorance is Strength".
shareWhat is completely predictable? That the cops would engage in work slowdown because of the council's vote? Or that there would be a crime wave notwithstanding the fact that nothing has actually been implemented as far as what the council voted.
shareIf you care to read:
Council members pressed police Chief Medaria Arradondo about the uptick in crimes that included daylight carjackings, robberies, assaults, shootings and street racing.
“Residents are asking, ‘Where are the police?’” said Council Member Jamal Osman, noting that constituents' calls to the Minneapolis Police Department have gone unanswered. "That is the only public safety option they have at the moment. MPD. They rely on MPD. And they are saying they are nowhere to be seen.”
Council President Lisa Bender accused police of intentionally not enforcing laws or making arrests.
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The Minneapolis Police Department’s crime data shows a rise in assaults, robberies and homicides, as well as property crimes and arson, according to Minnesota Public Radio. More people have been killed in the city in the first nine months of 2020 than those slain in all of last year
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In July, the council took several steps toward dismantling the city's police department, including approving an amendment to remove $1 million from the police department and reallocate it toward the health department to hire "violence interrupters" who are intended to defuse potentially violent situations.
The council had pledged earlier in the summer to dismantle the police department and replace it with a community-based system of public safety.
At Least 20 Police Chiefs Have Resigned Since Protests Began in May
Nearly 200 officers have applied to leave Minneapolis police force
The council recently divested more than $1 million from the police budget to pay for “violence interrupters” to intervene and defuse potentially violent confrontations.
“Violence Interrupters”! 😅😂🤣😅😂🤣😅😂🤣😅😂🤣😅😂🤣😅😂🤣😅😂🤣😅😂🤣😅😂🤣😅😂🤣
So, out of ~900 police, 200 HAVE APPLIED to leave...but how many have actually left? Is the inability to respond really based on lack of man power, or are you guys right...the cops are actually being stubborn?
If so...do you think the police are reneging on their promises, going back on their oaths, and simply refusing to go when called? Are they staging 'sick outs,' or saying they have PTSD to 'get even' with a perceived injustice?
Have they been unable to refill the positions left vacant? They still have the money.
So...people are just mad at the vote even though essentially nothing has happened yet?
After all, it seems the council, whether rightly or wrongly, is simply re-imagining how LE could work. EG, where I live we don't even have police. We have sheriffs and it works just fine. Having a community based program that includes LE doesn't mean NO law enforcement.
Yes, $1 million....JUST $1 million out of $193 million shifted to augment other programs. And this years budget of $193 million was a $10 million INCrEASE from last year...and STILL the crime went up. So, clearly simply increasing the budget didn't create the environment of reducing crime, did it? What's wrong with trying to find ways to prevent crime vs wait 'til it happened?
This site
https://evidencebasedprograms.org/policy_area/crime-violence-prevention/
presents some programs that have been tested and some have been shown to reduce crime. Not everything in society is just waiting until someone commits a crime THEN dealing with it. In fact I dare say that the MOST effective efforts involve preventing crime and raising kids to NOT want to commit crime rather than wait 'til they are adults then just arrest offenders. Isn't that what good parenting is all about?
"Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it."
Don’t you see and comprehend what these programs are destined to do? A complete take over and control by The State! The Nanny State from cradle to grave. Welcome, George Orwell!
"Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it."
This Biblical scripture, Proverbs 22:6, is an instruction guide to PARENTS...not to the government!
As an aside, we didn’t have these programs when we forged a new nation. We didn’t have these programs during The War Between the States, commonly referred to as the American Civil War. We didn’t have these programs when we stopped two tyrants in WWll. If you study the decade of the 1960’s you will learn it was then the lack of respect, lack of civility, lack of honor became the norm. Self-entitlement started blooming and continues to this day. The only good thing which emerged from the ‘60’s was The Civil Rights Act.
Where does it say that proverb is aimed at parents? I'll wait for your scriptures proving that.
I don't know what you're trying to show with your last paragraph. You say those programs didn't exist...I don't know what programs existed or didn't exist, but you say these programs (presumably programs to teach people respect for authority and respect for others) didn't exist and then turn around and bemoan the 60s where lack of respect, lack of civility, lack of honor became the norm. What do you think the 60s were evidence of...if not lack of proper upbringing/training that these programs may be trying to address.
Well, who else is it aimed at? Certainly not the government/state. We “train” our kids from the moment we bring them home. If the parent doesn’t discipline and lets the child do as s/he pleases the child becomes commonly referred to as a “brat”! We’ve all seen bratty kids. The parent(s) has neglected the duty in training the child do be respectful, sharing, selfless, etc. By 5 years of age the child’s persona is formed for life.
”While Proverbs 22:6 is framed as instruction to parents, the book as a whole gives guidance to the young (Proverbs 1:4), which suggests the proverb actually intends to call straying youth back toward the right way.”
”I don't know what you're trying to show with your last paragraph.”
The programs weren’t needed before the ‘60’s. People gave of themselves through all the trials this country faced. Yes, crime existed, but you paid the price. We treated the Indians, Chinese. Irish, Blacks horribly. But, the people as a whole were selfless. They weren’t self entitled, there was honor, respect for elders, the profane mouth was out of earshot of others. I never heard the f-bomb growing up. My family swore like...as they use to say “Like a bunch of sailors!” My husband was in the Army and he confirmed the f-bomb wasn’t used, but wow, there was a lot of swearing.
This is why the folks of the WWll generation are referred to as “The greatest generation”. They gave totally of themselves! Take for example the 5 Sullivan brothers. They enlisted together and insisted to serve together. Their motto being “We stick together.” They died together when their ship was hit by enemy fire and sunk. I don’t believe we would find the same character in today’s youth. They are to busy Burning, Looting and Murdering!
The 60’s wiped out the honor, the respect (cops were called pigs), the civility to others, etc. Divorce rates went up, the “pill” gave license to free sexual mores (Woodstock). Kids became “Latch Key” kids...on their own.
Thank you for proving my point. There has been a relentless attack on the police by elected politicians in many cities, and crime is going up. If you want to deny a relationship between those two, that’s your decision. No one can force you to see reality if you choose to be blind.
shareWhat is the reality? That cops will renege on their oaths when their actions are scrutinized? If you say so.
shareWhat was completely predictable? The uptick in crime began before the vote.
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