There are circumstances where an employee turning up to work saying that they are now a different gender should be fireable.
For example, a school teacher. Imagine if Mr. Richards turned up one day and says "hello kids, please call me Miss Richards, I'm transitioning to be a woman and I will be wearing a dress. My voice will change too as I take my magic pills."
Sorry, not appropriate. Should be stood down.
"Transitioning" should be illegal. If "Mr Richards" wants to dress up as a woman at home and discreetly at other appropriate venues with like minded people then that's fine. But public ( and worse publically permanent ) freak shows should be outlawed. As much for "Mr Richards" sake as for anyone else's.
What an incredibly, ignorant, stupid, rude, and bigoted comment. Transgender people are not freak shows and deserve the same rights and protections as anyone else.
shareI disagree. They most definitely are freak shows and if you took off your rose coloured, politically correct, sanctimonious virtue signalling glasses you would see that plainly enough for yourself. What they need is to be protected from making a terrible decision egged on by enablers like you.
You are wrong, just like any other type of bigotry or intolerance is wrong. Calling people freak shows demonstrates your ignorance and immaturity. Transgender people are real, human beings with the same value and worth as anyone else. What they really need is to be protected by hateful bigots like you.
shareIn case you care my Dad is a transgender and was a verbally abusive prick through the transition.
shareI'm sorry your Dad acted that way, although that doesn't reflect on other trans people. If he had not transitioned, he may still have acted that way.
shareHe was abusive before and after. I was beyond confused and had off the chart anxiety and he did everything he could to make me feel guilty if I didn’t give him the level of support he expected, even though that’s not the child’s job.
An example of this that I haven’t completed blocked out was I told him I loved him (after being guilted) and the response I got was “prove it”, emotional manipulation at its worst. This is also the same person who implied that it would be better if I were dead when I tried to come out as atheist.
You lie as easily as your cult leader.
shareI couldn’t care if you believe me or not, I don’t care at all what an Antifa apologist thinks.
share"Antifa"
Trigger word used by cult leader and propaganda machine.
Naw, it's the identity of a radical leftist terrorist movement.
shareObviously neo-Nazis, KKK and their sympathizers like Trump and you would be threatened by them.
shareYes, violent irrational terrorists should be feared, taken seriously and denounced just like the KKK and Neo-Nazis. They should not be treated like the "JV team" like how our joke of a former president referred to Radical Islamic Terrorists.
shareOnly the KKK, neo-Nazis and their sympathizers believe antifa are the bad guys.
BTW, your right-wing propaganda trigger word for the week "antifa" is old since there is a new trigger word. You need to keep up. The people arrested at peace marches were your gun nut right-wing Trumpists. Not antifa. Therefore, a new trigger word was found and being used.
They are burning businesses of innocent people, killing cops and shouting “shoot the white folk”. They are racist terrorists and the fact that you excuse their behavior says a lot about your lack of morality. They don’t care about injustices , they don’t care about solving problems, they just want an excuse to riot, they are terrorists and they are no better than the Neo Nazis.
shareYou just described your neo-Nazi and KKK pals.
Authorities charge alleged Santa Cruz deputy killer with assassinating federal cop in Oakland, link attacks to Boogaloo movement
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/16/santa-cruz-deputys-alleged-killer-charged-with-assassinating-federal-cop-in-oakland-ambush/
3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests
https://www.businessinsider.com/3-boogaloo-men-terror-charges-george-floyd-protest-riot-conspiracy-2020-6
Minnesota Officials Link Arrested Looters to ‘White Supremacist’ Groups
https://www.courthousenews.com/minnesota-officials-link-arrested-looters-to-white-supremacist-groups/
Nope I described BLM and Antifa, they are terrorizing innocent people and killing cops, many of whom are black but to you those black lives don't matter because you're a racist and you only care about black lives when it suits you politically. These are dangerous people who are a threat to the United States, they are anarchists, they are not legitimate, they are evil, evil scumbags and so are you for condoning it. They are threatening to cause more terror until their demands are met (defund the cops), that is the very definition of terrorism. Also if the police are defunded I hope you need them one day and they don't come.
shareBlah blah. Racists said the same thing about Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr when he was fighting for civil rights. And now he has a holiday!
shareHow many police chiefs did Martin Luther King murder? Comparing these racist terrorist to MLK is a complete insult to everything the man stood for you should be totally ashamed of yourself
shareThat doesn't sound so bad. If anything, it will teach the kids that the gender of their guardians and authority figures (such as teachers) shouldn't matter.
shareNo, it would screw up some kids. Kids look up to teachers and adults. Changing gender is very creepy.
shareHow would you know? You probably never had to face such a situation as a child, so to you it may be "creepy." Kids are pretty much a blank slate, so they won't have any preconceived notions about what is normal and what isn't.
shareHere we go with the "kids are a blank slate" fallacy again, courtesy of the SJW "facts are irrelevant" ideology.
You're making assumptions. Gender is not something that can be changed to children. You're either a boy or a girl, a man or a woman.
shareSuicide rates among the trans population are infamously high. Prob doesn't help people calling them freaks. We should try to be kind to each other. Whatever negative judgement you have, they have thought it about themselves first.
shareSuicide is high because it's a mental illness. It's called gender identity disorder.
sharePatients have the right to decide what treatment is best for them. Some choose to transition. It's not an easy choice for anyone. It's also not easy or quick to get approved to do it and go through with it to completion, at least in America. How often do see trans people? Even if you could tell, I doubt it's very often unless you're in a special subsection of city or state. I dont see them often to my knowledge but when I do my last thought is to make life harder for them. It doesn't bother me, doesn't affect me so to each their own. Some are out and proud and many suffer and are vulnerable. Why kick them when they're down?
shareI totally disagree. Firing someone because they are transgender is never appropriate.
shareIf it affects others in a negative way, like a school teacher of say 6 year olds, yes, fire them.
shareThere is no logical or valid reason to think it would affect anyone in a negative way. I don't see how it would harm children if the teacher was transgender.
shareThe denial is deep in this one.
It is not denial. It is a rejection of ignorance, hatred, and prejudice.
shareYou're just spouting dogma. I am not ignorant about this subject and I don't hate transgender people. But I am critical of this current push to "normalise" them as though they are part of the mainstream. They are not and they definitely should not be teaching children who are overwhelmingly heterosexual. Children should have heterosexual role models in front of them.
This is just stating the bleeding obvious but you refuse to acknowledge it because of your dogmatic and irrational opinion.
And you are spouting your own opinions as if they were fact. You think children need heterosexual role models and that trans people can't be role models. Do you think children will turn gay or something if they don't have these heterosexual role models? And why do teachers have to be heterosexual role models? Don't these kids have parents and other family members who could be role models? And what exactly does a heterosexual role model do? Have sex in front of the children? Watch heterosexual porn with them? I think you are the one being dogmatic and holding on to old outdated ideas that don't do any good.
shareThe difference here is that you are arguing according to your feelings about the subject and I am not. You SJW types are Utopians. You think you're going to bring in a perfect world and all you'll do is make a mess the same as all the other Utopians have in the past.
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"The difference here is that you are arguing according to your feelings about the subject and I am not. You SJW types are Utopians. You think you're going to bring in a perfect world and all you'll do is make a mess the same as all the other Utopians have in the past"
Exactly!!!
"The difference here is that you are arguing according to your feelings about the subject and I am not."
YOU DO REALIZE...YOURE THE ONE DOING THAT,RIGHT?
"Children should have heterosexual role models in front of them."
Why? Do you know for a fact that all the teachers from your childhood were straight? Did they sit you down and take you through the ins and outs of their own sexual practices, just so you knew that they were normal and you too would turn out normal? I would have thought if a teacher is doing their job as an educator then their sexuality would not be at all relevant or made known to those they teach.
Please don't tell me you are so ill-informed that you think having a gay teacher will somehow move through some magical process of osmosis to the genes of the children they are teaching to read and write, turning those poor innocent straight kids all fruity? Please tell me you're smarter than that, I know deep down you are. I'll tell you one thing for free, having heterosexuality as the dominating social norm has no effect on a kid who is gay. They are still going to be gay, no matter how much you insist that they are sick and wrong, or how hard you try to shield them from the reality that they are in fact perfectly normal and that gay people always have and always will exist. I would argue that it's just as impossible to turn a heterosexual kid gay by acknowledging that homosexuality exists or having a homosexual adult figure in their lives. I'm really surprised you would dumb down this argument to such a base level of conservative hysteria. You seemed so much smarter than that.
Why? Do you know for a fact that all the teachers from your childhood were straight?
No in fact some of them were homosexual paedophiles. Catholic school.
Please don't tell me you are so ill-informed that you think having a gay teacher will somehow move through some magical process of osmosis to the genes of the children they are teaching to read and write, turning those poor innocent straight kids all fruity?
No sorry to disappoint you but I don't believe that. But what you are ignoring is that children do need role models. Most children are heterosexual and therefore their teachers should be as well.
I'll tell you one thing for free, having heterosexuality as the dominating social norm has no effect on a kid who is gay.
I never said that it did.
They are still going to be gay, no matter how much you insist that they are sick and wrong...
And I never said that gay children are sick or wrong. Unfortunate perhaps but not sick or wrong.
...or how hard you try to shield them from the reality that they are in fact perfectly normal...
No I don't agree with that. Normal or usual is heterosexual. Homosexuality at around 4% of the population is a minority orientation and so not normal or usual.
I would argue that it's just as impossible to turn a heterosexual kid gay by acknowledging that homosexuality exists or having a homosexual adult figure in their lives.
Again I never argued that it would be possible. You are very fond of using ' straw man arguments ' aren't you ?
I'm really surprised you would dumb down this argument to such a base level of conservative hysteria.
But I didn't dumb down the argument you did by inserting your own ' straw man arguments ' as though they were my mine and proceeding to knock them over for your "victory". If anyone has been hysterical here it is you.
Sounds like you were abused as a child and you're still suffering from trauma. You should talk to a professional who won’t judge you so you can finally find peace and closure.
shareAh if only life were so simple. My life is/has been both not as bad as you are thinking and worse than you can probably imagine at the same time. But thank you for your concern.
Children want strong male/female role models. Men dressed as women or vice versa doesn't help.
shareHow do you know children want strong male/female role models? Did children actually tell you that, or are you just making assumptions? Transgender people are not men dressed as women or vice versa. Trans people are not crossdressers. And they can definitely be strong role models.
shareThey suffer from conservative reptile brain syndrome. They can't tolerate change, and think that change also hurts kids.
Don't forget, we heard their same tireless arguments against gay marriage.
However its good to see them raise their pitchforks. Thats how you know they are losing the battle.
"How do you know children want strong male/female role models?"
Everyone with the slightest degree of common sense knows that, Allaby.
"Transgender people are not men dressed as women or vice versa."
But of course they are!
"And they can definitely be strong role models."
Deviant people can only be role models to confused, messed-up kids, and that's tantamount to child abuse.
The truth is they cannot change their gender. If born male they are male for life. Same with females...born female they are female for life. This world is so screwed up it’s no wonder folks don’t know who or what they are!
shareIsn't that the truth. Some have had surgery and regretted it because it doesn't really change anything except that now they're mutilated. Some regret it because they grew out of it and it was actually their parents and doctors who pushed them into it. It's a mess.
shareI saw a doctor who gave two gay guys vaginas where their balls were but let them keep their penises. I'm not sure how that works but they wanted more sexual options.
shareThere was a mother, and I say that lightly, who was fighting her husband in order to change their son’s genitalia. “S/he is in a boy’s body and s/he is really a girl!” The kid was 6 yrs. old! I don’t know how it turned out, but with this screwed up politically correct crap the witch probably got her wish! I don’t care if they gave that kid 10 vaginas...he would still be a male! You cannot change the chromosomes!
There are also cases where parents, take it lightly again, who have taken their 13 year old daughters to have mastectomies! How many more letters are we going to add to the soup mix? I firmly believe most have been indoctrinated! They here all this crap and decide “maybe that’s my problem.” We are going to keep going and eventually we won’t have all these letters...because the world will become nothing more than one word “its”! Gender neutral!
What none of you realise (or acknowledge) is that it doesn't matter if the kid transitions or not, they are still going to have to withstand the mental anguish of being tormented by bullies and society at large for being too effeminate or too masculine. You and your type will still call them freaks, making yourselves feel like the big guys by putting others down for being different to your carbon cut-out idea of normality. Then you will call them mentally ill without even a shred of understanding that it is YOU that has caused their gender dysphoria for not accepting them the way they naturally act.
Sit there in judgement like the perfect people you are. Small minded hypocrites.
You judge me too harshly without knowing me. I would never refer to them as freaks because they aren’t. I pity them and have a great deal of empathy especially if children. No one deserves to be bullied. It breaks my heart to see children bullied for no reason except for being different. They are not mentally ill, but I do believe indoctrination factors into the whys and hows. I gave examples above.
Parents not being parents, schools shoving it down their throats, telling them that it’s ok when their church says it’s not. They are caught in a quagmire. Schools should not be social engineering. Their job is to teach subjects, yet at the same time to accept other children who may be different. No bullying permitted! As for adults we accept them in the workplace, but we don’t have to socialize with them if we believe it’s wrong. My rights end at the end of my fingers. Her/his rights begin at the end of my fingers.
Please think twice before accusing me of being a hypocrite.
It's so disturbing it's hard to read, and yet this is what's becoming normalized. Makes me sick.
shareThere is a difference between believing it’s normal and accepting it vs believing it’s not normal therefore not accepting it. I may have to work with them and wouldn’t treat them any differently than I do a straight person. But, I don’t have to accept their lifestyle and would not socialize with them.
It is disturbing especially when a parent agrees to alter a young child’s genitalia or a parent does not give the pre-teen guidance. Anything goes! Do what you wish! It’s confusing enough with raging hormones! Parents nowadays want to be friends. They don’t know how to parent. Kids are so confused they get into the either or lifestyle, they experiment because there hasn’t been structure. They have been indoctrinated to do whatever you wish.
We are fast heading into a gender neutral world. No longer will we mark male or female on a form. Those terms will disappear. Instead there will be two boxes to choose from: Either “Gentle Neutral” or “?”.
Sorry, I’m still trying to imagine someone with 10 vaginas! I mean, where would you put them all?
shareHey Wan King! How’s it hangin’? Well, let’s see. 🤔 1 on the forehead, 1 where it belongs, 1 on each butt cheek, 1 on the belly button, (that’s 5), 1 on the back of the head, 1 on each ear, 1 above the crack, (one more to go) ? Oh! Oh! I got it! I had a double yolk egg yesterday...soooo...another one beside the original in case you miss! That’s 10! 🙇🏼♀️ I am in a wonky mood! 😳
BTW, thanks for the chuckle!😅😂🤣
Yw😘
shareOh great. A whole lot of non-trans people who are somehow experts on the trans experience.
Wow, I've never see THAT here before.
If you're against people living their truth in a peaceful way that has absolutely no impact on your own life, then you are a nasty bully. That's all there is to it.
Would you also endorse firing teachers who display strong characteristics of bigotry and prejudice because of the effect it has on small minds? Somehow I doubt it. You only drag kids into your argument to make a weak proposition seem more pertinent, it's quite a low thing to do. Identical to the way the 'No' campaign tried to suggest allowing gay marriage in Australia will somehow open up educational institutions to all sorts of damaging and perverted practices, all of which proved to be a pile of old boots when the law was eventually changed.
Only idiots would be convinced by an argument where someone proposes that ANY teacher would say these words to children "hello kids, please call me Miss Richards, I'm transitioning to be a woman and I will be wearing a dress. My voice will change too as I take my magic pills." Low-rent sarcasm might seem like a convincing debate technique to you but to me it just exposes a feeble mind with no capacity to broaden its limited boundaries.
"A whole lot of non-trans people who are somehow experts on the trans experience."
There are many people who are experts on the serial killer experience, yet who are not serial killers themselves. Funny, that.
Hilarious
shareYou're easily amused, aren't you.
shareBy someone who equates a serial killer expert who has studied extensively in their field to a transphobe having a whinge about people who disgust them on the internet? I suppose you could say yes. Yes I am.
shareAn expected reply from someone who made a false dichotomy in the first place. You made the insinuation that everyone here who has a negative opinion about transgenders is lacking in knowledge and experience of the "trans experience", and are ignorant and their opinions invalid.
Just answer this: how do you know that nobody here has that experience. Did they tell you?
And how do you know everyone who has expressed a negative opinion about transgenders is a "transphobe"?
I'd say you're not only easily amused, but you're also easily triggered.
That would be fascinating if I gave a grain of popped corn what some random internet guy thinks about me. But thanks anyway.
shareOh, I see. Hit and run, eh. Okay, well, if that's all you've got.
shareDon’t act surprised when you elbowed in on a comment not directed at yourself, purely and transparently to agitate. I’m not interested in your personal insults nor do I care if you agree with my comments or not. I wasn’t talking to you and I have no interest in your thoughts on this or anything else.
sharelol, like I said, if that's all you've got.
You saw my comment as trying to "agitate"? Easily agitated then, are you?
If you're against people living their truth in a peaceful way that has absolutely no impact on your own life, then you are a nasty bully. That's all there is to it.
Not so! I may be against their lifestyle, but treat them no differently than straight, does not a bully make. To believe as you do is delving into a thought police society. We are already on the road to a “Minority Report” world with the passage of the “Hate Crime” law. We have “thought police“ deciding the victim is more dead due to the law.
The following chills me and it should chill others:
Mind-Reading Computer Instantly Decodes People's Thoughts
https://www.livescience.com/53535-computer-reads-thoughts-instantaneously.html
I support the right not to fire them. Can you write policy though that say you're not allowed to transition while in the workplace? Or a signed contract that if some point in time in the future you decide to be whatevs, you agree to not be on the job no more or something.
shareIts almost like he adopted the OOH Im a soft boy persona a few years ago on purpose.
shareTbh, I don't have strong opinions on the "realness" of a person's gender. But your example of a school teacher doesn't lend any strength to your argument. Kids are very open to change, probably more than anyone else. They also know cis people who are good and bad, so they already know that cis man/woman doesn't automatically = good.
Maybe if you had suggested a teacher who works in an all-female/all-male work environment, who transitioned to the opposite sex, I would understand the firing, but I would imagine they would leave the job voluntarily. I can't think of any specific situations where a person's transition would necessitate a firing.
It does if the "TG" is speaking about their transition to the class. But children are smart, they know a woman is a man without being told; nobody cares that children are being disrespected by being exposed to such before they are mature enough and can think for themselves.
shareGood thing the SCOTUS disagrees with you, bigot.
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