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If Trump had gotten elected as a "Democrat" but done the exact same things, Dems here would be supporting him.


If Trump had a "D" instead of an "R" by his name Democrats would be...

- praising his brilliant handling of the economy.

- praising his humanitarianism as demonstrated by the First Step prison reform act.

- praising him for effectively killing top terrorists in targeted strikes without putting massive numbers of US troops in harm's way (actually avoiding "stupid" foreign policy as Obama falsely claimed to).

- approvingly echoing administration rhetoric about "getting tough on the border" (as they did during Obama's tenure when children really were being put in "cages").

They might grumble about him appointing constitutionalist judges instead of activists, but only the most sophisticated, hard core leftist ideologues pay close attention to that on their own. Rank and file Democrats focus on what they're instructed to focus on and feel as they're instructed to feel.

On balance they'd laud Trump as a sensible centrist who stands in stark contrast to those "extreme" Republicans.

It's disturbing how shallow people can be.



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I don't think so. If he was a black transsexual in a wheelchair, he would be all the rage with the TDS crowd. White straight male bad.

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True, except their top 3 candidates are all straight white men (unless Bloomberg gets displaced by Buttigieg). Remember that the SJW garbage is a means to an end: power. And Democrats are raving hypocrites.

These are the same people who decided to keep Governor Blackface and Lieutenant Governor Rape in power in Virginia.

The angle might be that he was "electable", but I'm really not even talking the primary but assuming that he's in the White House as a "Democrat". The rhetoric then would be that he's a great "uniter", "centrist", etc., and they'd be claiming credit for his accomplishments rather than shedding a single tear over crap like "children in cages", the travel ban, etc.. They'd be praising his tweets as tech savvy "man of the people stuff", in the tradition of FDR's Fire Side Chats, and showering Melania with compliments as the most elegant first lady since Jackie Kennedy.

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T-rump didn't run as a Democrat because he knew he wouldn't have gotten very far - Dems are too smart for him and have seen right through him for decades. He would have never gotten the nomination.

Remember - he said he likes his supporters to be 'dumb', and that's why he ran as a Republican. He knew he'd find enough supporters there to sustain him for life; and you and your kkkomrades on this forum haven't disappointed.

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Yep, a mindless bottomfeeding hack like you would definitely be singing Trump's praises here if he only had a "D" after his name.

Heck, you're willing to give equal support to candidates as vastly different as Michael Bloomberg and socialist Bernie Sanders, LOL, as long as they've got that "D". You'd even support Tulsi Gabbard if enough Democrats came to their senses to nominate her.

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Thank you for proving once again, he likes you to stay dumb. You haven't failed him.

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Did I say something wrong, moron, LOL? Are you denying that you'd support either Bloomberg or Sanders in the general election? (but only if Bloomberg has that "D" by his name and isn't running as an Independent)

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Id take Bloomberg with an R over Trump any day. Fortunately Bern-dog seems to be taking care of business coast to coast.

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In 2016 did you vote for Clinton, Jill Stein, or someone else?

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2016 primary I voted for Sanders, general I voted for Clinton. I didn't particularly like HC but my TDS compelled me to hold my nose and vote for her anyway.

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LOL! So you're supporting my point. Thank you for your honesty.

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"Dems are too smart for him and have seen right through him for decades"

Too dumb when it comes to Comrade Sanders! Can't see through the Squad Loonies either?

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No one compares to the lunacy of T-rump. No one at all. He's all yours - enjoy him.

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First Step would have been lauded and I also think they would have supported his outreach to North Korea, but I can't see Democrat support for

- ending the TPP
- withdrawing from the Paris Accords
- implementing the travel ban
- military transgender ban
- moving the embassy to Jerusalem
- border wall construction
- "Remain in Mexico" program
- enforcing the public charge test for immigration

I also think you're vastly understating the depth of Democrat opposition to his judicial nominees. They have relied heavily on the judiciary to implement the progressive agenda where they can't get it done legislatively.

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Maybe, but having observed their behavior for years it's become clear that a massive percentage of Democrat sentiment and rhetoric is shaped by what the leftist media or ideological leaders tell them to think, get outraged about, etc.. If the media ignores or dismisses something so will they.

Hence the intense weeping and gnashing of teeth over Trump supposedly "keeping children in cages", when there wasn't a peep about Obama actually doing that. Similar patterns regarding the fairly innocuous travel ban (Obama and past presidents did similar things with no controversy; if anything it was just praised as competent national security management). On trade deals he'd be "fighting for American workers" with union backing, etc.. Rank and file Democrats didn't seem to mind when their office holders, including some of their current presidential candidates, voted for the border fence in the 2000s.

And do I have to even mention the insane flip flops on Russia, LOL?

I could see hardcore leftist activists grumbling about some of the things you mentioned (especially judges), but if the media is either ignoring or praising it I think on balance Democrats, including the bottomfeeder types on this board, would be defending and praising a Democrat Trump as a very effective, Clinton-style leader. Even now how often do judges get discussed here? It seems like they're mostly brought up by conservative posters.

In fact Democrats here have proved unwilling or unable to substantively discuss almost any issues.

Note how even when they argue with each other during this primary, it's mostly just "woke" PC name calling and alleged personal scandal stuff, rather than intelligent debates on policy or political philosophy. That was even the bulk of the attack by the candidates against Bloomberg on stage. That stuff would fall away during a general campaign as they rallied around their nominee. The biggest anti-Sanders Democrat on this board, who’s condemning Bernie as a “communist”, has also indicated that he’d still vote for him this fall if he gets the nomination.

The US left is more intellectually and morally bankrupt now than it's ever been.

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Not likely, though it depends what you mean by "dems."

Bloomberg is widely recognized as being similar to Trump, and he just got taken to the woodshed for it.

The reality is some would give Trump a pass for his decisions while others would not. And most would probably object to his personal behavior based on what we've seen happen to Anthony Wiener and Al Franken.

The right has always said that the left has more of a tendency to "eat their own" whereas the right tend to go down with the ship like they did with Roy Moore.

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No, it's completely the other way around. Even Trump routinely points out that Democrats' one virtue is how much they stick together, almost no matter what.

Franken and Weiner were expendable because Democrats were taking those spots either way. By contrast they stopped pushing to oust the Virginia Democrats I mentioned earlier when all three of their top officials became embroiled in blackface/rape scandals at the same time, and removing them would have meant the GOP Speaker would become governor.

It's all about power.

By contrast the Republican establishment immediately threw Roy Moore overboard, despite it being a dirty trick by the Washington Post and an accusation based on no good evidence that was full of holes, where even the accuser's own son publicly stated she was lying and he intended to vote for Moore. The national Republicans (basically led by Mitch McConnell) dropped support for Moore and condemned him without any due process, when the timing meant there was no GOP alternative so they were effectively letting Democrats steal what should have been a safe Republican Senate seat. The other Alabama GOP Senator, Richard Shelby, publicly announced he wouldn't vote for Moore just days before the election, which is widely seen as the tipping point costing him the still very close vote.

And Bloomberg was attacked in the primary by his rivals with a bunch of personal garbage that would....cease to be important to the media or most Democrats when they rallied around him in the general campaign if he got the nomination.

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The same thing can be said about Republicans:

If Obama had conditioned military aid to Ukraine on them doing an investigation into his opponent then Republicans would have wanted to impeach him for it.

Republicans were outraged by the budget deficit/national debt when Obama was in off but they are fine with it now that Trump is in. They were also fine with it when Reagan, Bush, and W Bush were in.

Republicans said that Obama was too inexperienced to be president. Then they elected a man with no experience at all.

The Republican party for decades supported trade agreements with other countries. All of a sudden Trump is against them and all the Republican voters follow along without question.

On certain issues politics is just my team vs your team. People don't seem to have any actual beliefs or convictions.

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Though some of your examples are wrong,* I'd partly agree with your next to last sentence about "team" dynamics. But it's a difference of degree. Republicans are more motivated by substance than Democrats are, and rank and file Republican voters not in the professional pundit class are better able to discuss and debate substantive issues than modern Democrats are. On balance shifts in Democrats' opinions come from the top down, while shifts in Republicans' opinions come from the bottom up.

*Trump didn't condition aid to Ukraine on investigating his opponent, and Obama actually did far worse stuff than what Trump was falsely accused of, like weaponizing the IRS to suppress conservative groups prior to the 2012 election. Yet Lois Lerner pleaded the Fifth, Obama's DOJ stonewalled everything and shielded him from future investigations by passing out immunity like candy, and justice wasn't done.

Yet Republicans never impeached for Obama for that, Fast and Furious, the Benghazi deaths/lies, unconstitutional DACA amnesty, or anything else.

Obama was a career politician still early in his career. Republicans criticized him for never having a real job outside of politics, or at least having decades of political experience. By contrast Trump has been an enormously successful private sector figure for decades, famous and accomplished in various fields. A true outsider was needed because the base had become so disgusted with being sold out by the GOP establishment.

The Republican base and right leaning independents have been disgusted with slanted trade deals for many years. You’re confusing the GOP establishment with the rank and file base. As I said, Trump tapped into substance on trade and other issues, hence his populist appeal.

I agree that Republicans were louder about the deficit when Obama was in office, but in fairness Obama was much worse for the deficit than Trump has been, and blame for the current deficit is shared by Pelosi's Democrat House. There has been some grumbling from conservative fiscal hawks, however, as another Democrat thread on this board right now gleefully reports. But basically Trump has decided that there are more acute problems to deal with than the debt, which is a long term problem that will eventually require entitlement reform to solve (something Trump explicitly states he has zero interest in doing, one of the reasons Paul Ryan probably left).










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I'll add that Republican criticism of Obama was more rooted in substance than Democrat attacks on Trump (and his family) are, and while harsh things were sometimes said back then it was nothing like the deranged, relentless, irrational hatred spewed at Trump.

Example: If a thread up like this had been posted during Obama's presidency (and I remember there were some in forums like this) lots of Republicans would have responded with policy criticisms, relishing the opportunity:

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5e501ce6017d35113a75ceef/Is-Trump-really-that-bad-Anti-Trumpers-personal-stuff-aside-what-actionspolicies-do-you-most-want-to-revert

By contrast I couldn't get a single Democrat to even answer the question. They responded, but only in shallow fashion to repeat the petty personal attack/"scandal" stuff rather than any substantive policy disputes. That's telling.

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Do you give credit to Trump for taking out Bagdadi, yes or no?

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