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Elizabeth Warren: Medicare for All

posted 5 years ago by Sandman27 (3043)
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https://www.factcheck.org/2019/11/factchecking-the-november-democratic-debate/

If Elizabeth Warren's Medicare for All plan is $22 Trillion over 10 years per her numbers. It's more like $35 Trillion, but what's $12 Trillion, yes?

Anyway, based off of her wealth tax, which is the way she said she was going to pay for it, is only going to generate $1 Trillion over 10 years, pray tell me where the other $21 Trillion is going to come from?

The middle class isn't going to get a tax increase, right?

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[–] slimone (7996) 5 years ago

I've rethought my opinion about Medicare for All. I don't think it's a great idea. I was listing to a news report last night that said people from Canada which has Medicare for All are coming to the USA for medical treatment because appointments take sometimes a month to make and a lot of people are dying because they couldn't wait that long. Sad but true.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

I commend you for exercising your INDEPENDENT THOUGHT. So that means you don't want Warren, Sanders, or Harris to be the nominee, yes? So who do you want?

Now your next step to get rid of the healthcare mandate and then we can begin to fix healthcare and bring in more competition to lower costs over all.

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[–] slimone (7996) 5 years ago

I guess I'll have to wait until the primaries to decide.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

Who are you leaning towards? Who's saying stuff you like?

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[–] slimone (7996) 5 years ago

At this point Joe Biden.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

Well, good luck with that.

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[–] slimone (7996) 5 years ago

How about you?

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

Nobody. They are all bad.

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[–] chilidoggg (14597) 5 years ago

The Democrats should pass Medicare for people 64 years old.

The GOP should pass Medicare for people 66 years old.

See where the chips fall.

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[–] Filmtenk2 (4137) 5 years ago

It's like the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people they wanted to keep their sh--ty healthcare. Even really good health insurance only pays 80% of medical and in most cases that's only after you've paid a deductible costing thousands of dollars. It's a terrible system. If you're someone who thinks "I'm healthy and I don't want to subsidise sick people" you are profoundly ignorant. If you don't have an ailment, you will some day and not just when you are older. Young people have chronic conditions too. They also break bones, have accidents that can lead to hospitalization and medical bills that cost thousands of dollars. As long as there is a profit motive we will continue to be an under insured and sick country with crippling medical debt. Time to try something new.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

So then answer the question. Where does the other $21 trillion come from?

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[–] Filmtenk2 (4137) 5 years ago

I don't know. It's not really up to us to figure it out is it? How do you begin to unravel trillions of dollars of national debt. The go to liberal answer is drastically scale back on national defence. We should do this to an extent but unfortunately I fear that being the strongest keeps the bullies like Putin in line. I don't know I could be wrong. Maybe it takes one country to make the first move towards peace and disarm but I doubt you'd get the extremists on board. It may cost less in the long term to have everyone covered. There is an element of personal responsibility that people should adopt as well. Like eating healthier and exercising.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

First of all, only paying 20% out of pocket compared to paying 100% spread across the entire population plus paying for people that aren't paying into the system and paying for illegal immigrants and getting better quality and service is a 1000 times better alternative. That is a no brainer.

With your "subsidize sick people" and calling people ignorant, you fail to realize the simple fact of PAYING FOR ONESELF. Why is that so wrong and how is that not fair? Why should I pay for you if you break your arm? Why should you pay for my chemo if I get cancer? There's something called being responsible for oneself. It's not a difficult concept that promotes good values in a society and is as fair as fair can be.

If Elizabeth Warren doesn't know, but is still campaigning on it, how likely is that a false campaign promise? With all the people that are buying it, how stupid are they?

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[–] Filmtenk2 (4137) 5 years ago

You've never had a serious medical problem have you? What you're proposing is a type of Darwinism which exists in nature but not in civil societies. I doubt when you're waiting for that chemo you're going to say well, tough luck for me then.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

Why should I or anybody else pay for your illness, pray tell?

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