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Do You Believe the President Is Above The Law?


Yes or No?

No for me.

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No.

It's a big yes here for the Republicans here - as long as it's a Republican president. Anyone else - they'd favor removing Obama from office because someone in his campaign made a clerical error on a campaign finance form.

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I believe he is above the partimanship of a democrat led congress. Donald isn't the only good American to stand up against the commie democrats.
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You could have saved a lot of time by just typing "yes". Have the balls to just say it already.

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Yes above the law that could be inplace like in that Vendetta movie.

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The fact is he is. A president can not be indicted while in office, do you think this privilege applies to you and me?

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And that is disgraceful. No president should be immune from an indictment.

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"should" is the right word and I believe that too. None should be above the law. But the reality however is different.

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No. Being president just requires an additional step which is impeachment.

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But as long as he is president he is above the law. "President is above the law" is still a correct statement.

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Then everybody is above the law until they are behind bars. If you are free and not in prison, you are technically above the law because you have the ability to continue breaking the law until you are caught. Once the president is caught, he goes through a process just like we all do. It just has an extra step.

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Then everybody is above the law until they are behind bars.

That is actually really lame. I think you and I both know we are not above the law. The president however is. If you and I slapped a police officer we would get shot. If Trump did that the officer would probably say:"I am sorry Mr president for whichever way I offended you".

I am not talking about any particular person. Anyone holds that office is above the law, that is clear and simple.

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That is not being above the law though. That is being above a specific crime. Its not true for all misdemeanors and its certainly not true for all felonies.

Again, a successful impeachment does not necessarily mean you are kicked out of office. Its a merely a step before criminal charges are filed... which can be issued even if you are president assuming you have been impeached.

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Think of it this way. You commit a crime and leave the country before conviction. There is now an extra step required to convict you. Does that mean you are above the law? Of course not.

Keep in mind you can be indicted while being president if you are impeached first. Being impeached does not mean you automatically cease to be president. Though in the case of conviction, you would most likely be removed from office by force if necessary.

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Keep in mind you can be indicted while being president

That is not true. A sitting president can not be indicted. I am not a lawyer but that was already extensively discussed on TV.

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A sitting president can be indicted if they've been impeached :)

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After they are no longer presidents. But as long as they are presidents, they are above the law.

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You're going around in circles with yourself. If the president was successfully impeached and remained in office, a criminal trial could begin. It would most likely be a constitutional crisis but one that either congress or the SCOTUS could handle. I wouldn't even trust Brett Kavanaugh to say a president couldn't be indicted AFTER being impeached. His statement on it was the same as Mueller's... that a president cannot be indicted without being impeached first.

But please continue going in circles with yourself.

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No, from what I understand the president has be impeached AND removed from office first. Only after that, then he could be charged with a crime.

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It doesn't matter what happens first. If the president kills someone, he gets removed from office. If a governor or senator kills someone, they are removed from office before going to prison. That doesn't make any of them above the law. Its a stupid splitting of hairs that you're doing.

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A governor or senator? Yeah, but not the president. And in the case of governor or senator that depends on their relationship with the president because the president can pardon anyone. That is another way the president is above the law.

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Look its very simple. If Trump murdered someone on Fifth Avenue, he would be impeached and imprisoned.

Did he murder someone while president? Yes. Presidents are demonstrably not above the law.

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No, there is no guarantee of that. Not if he is still popular and not if the republicans are willing to protect him. That is never a sure thing.

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So Trump is going to run for a third, fourth, fifth term etc until he dies of old age?

Man you are full of it.

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Trump is not above the law. He won't be president after 8 years, that is a sure thing. But as long as he is still the president he can't be touch by the law. That is what we are talking about here. The office of president, not the person, is above the law.

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Then presidents are not above the law then. For a president to be above the law, they would have to receive no consequences ever for their presidential actions.

Being president can delay the law. It doesn't put you above it. Just like Roman Polanski is not above the law.

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Of course it does, Nixon did it. Nixon committed a crime while in office. Nothing happened to him. Hilary Clinton was not even president and she was investigated for possible crimes, before any charges even laid on her Obama already said she will be pardoned.

2 cases of presidents being above the law.

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Nixon got pardoned ya doofus.

I'm done with you.

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I guess you know you are losing the argument.

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No, you're just beyond stupid. We all know a president CAN avoid serving time. The thread poses the question will a president ALWAYS avoid serving time. You are just too dense to comprehend it.

In doing so, you also moved the goal posts.

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No, you are losing the argument so you tried to change the argument.

You are just a loser and that is what losers do.

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Lol you said a president is above the law because Nixon served no time. But you didn't realize his pardon saved him from serving that time, not his presidency.

And now that your ignorance has been exposed, you're doing the "I win because I said so" routine.

If thats how deep your ignorance goes, then its not worth talking to you as you are blinded by it.

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No, Nixon appointed a vice president loyal to him and after he resigned his successor used the privilege of presidency and pardoned him.

Can you pardon anyone? I am just demonstrating another way a president is above the law.

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President is above the law. That was my argument and that never changed.

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Though Ford could have shived him by not pardoning him. He probably would have been better off that way since he almost certainly would have won in 1976.

Then Nixon wouldn't have been above the law.

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If Obama was not president, that would have been obstruction of justice.

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But as long as he is still the president he can't be touch by the law.


A president is only immune from prosecution for violations of federal law while in office, not for violations of state law.

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I hope you are a professional lawyer because that makes no sense at all.

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I'm not a lawyer and there are certainly those who have a different view. There has never been an actual case to test the theory.

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But I think if there were such a possibility it would have already been tried.

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Overall its a dumb argument. If the president is above the law then he would be able to commit crimes while retaining his presidency. Since he cannot guarantee he retains the presidency to keep himself out of prison, then he is demonstrably not above the law.

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If the president is above the law then he would be able to commit crimes while retaining his presidency.
In theory, he can. There is no guarantee he could be impeached.

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Its not in his control though. Thats the point. He cannot force a permanent presidency. Therefore whatever he does as president can have consequences... meaning a president is not above the law.

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" If the President does it, that makes it legal. " - Richard Nixon

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Only if in his great and unmatched wisdom he proclaims himself a stable genius. Then it’s ok.

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No

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HELL no.

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