So, it turns out that the Dayton killer is a leftist Elizabeth Warren and AOC supporter who is a socialist antifa bro, n - Politics Discussion

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Muted.

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[–] elcamino (15540) 5 years ago

Still it was a better time when the young could go out a get a muscle car and hot rod around,instead of all that they can do now get a gun and play Rambo.

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[–] TexasJack (12516) 5 years ago

They can’t really play the “blame Trump” game while simultaneously playing “don’t blame Warren and AOC”.

They can't? You haven't been paying attention.

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 5 years ago

Indeed he was a leftist. But his target was neither conservatives nor republicans. He also opposed Biden as much as he opposed Trump. His goal here was gun reform (background checks), and this is how he thought he'd help get it done.

Even Trump is on board with background checks. But Massacre Mitch just doesn't give a damn.

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

Man, it appears the Gateway Pundit fake news specialist really did a number on MSM for this Patrick Crusius-is-a-leftist fake news meme to have spread so far and wide.

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 5 years ago

I know the El Paso shooter was cited as a leftist via fake news. If the info about the Dayton shooter was also fake news then my mistake. But I hadn't heard anything about that.

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

Sorry my mix up.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

So you want to reward the shooter by helping him in his cause.

PS - We already have "background checks".

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[–] B1cKsurN (17407) 5 years ago

Expect the Ohio shooting disappear from the news by Wednesday.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Are you kidding? Both of these bloodsheds are going to follow T-rump for the rest of his life. As much as FOX and Breitbart wants these to disappear by Wednesday, it's not happening.

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[–] elcamino (15540) 5 years ago

You said that also about Russia. Melania has already said GAB is going to lose because he has no message and is lame.
https://i1.wp.com/www.wkbn.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/48/2019/06/melania-president-donald-trump-.jpg?resize=2560%2C1440&ssl=1

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Melania spoke ? Wow, for the past three years she pretended she was mute.

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[–] chilone (17864) 5 years ago

Unlike Michelle who won't shut up with her racism and hate.

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[–] elcamino (15540) 5 years ago

If Biden can't get Melania to like him he isn't worth voting for.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

It's a shame she doesn't like him only because he's a gentleman who shows her respect and doesn't grab her by the pussy.

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[–] LordBAElish (2015) 5 years ago

Biden is a rapist and a pedophile.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Once again, that would be T-rump you're describing. (Though you forgot to mention T-rump's incestuous too!)

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/86e/82/ZBlNJPHpghJJRuS-800x450-noPad.jpg

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I still haven't seen any legitimate media reporting this - just alt-right conspiracy blogs and websites. I wonder why?

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

I have:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/right-wing-conspiracy-site-gateway-pundit-mylife-el-paso-shooter

He wasn't a 'leftist' at all. Fake news generated by Gateway Pundit host by editing his party affiliation from Republican to Democrat on professional management site mylife which afaict is an analog to linkedin.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Thank You!

Now let's see all the T-rumptards ignore this important fact.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

LOL! Another leftist lemming goes flying off the cliff.

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[–] Jproof (40) 5 years ago

It doesn't matter even if he was left-leaning -- eg. the Scalise shooter genuinely was a Bernie supporter -- the fact is Bernie and other Democrats never encourage violence the way Trump does.

Not even close.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

Oh wow. eyedef, you're a faceplant machine. Dayton isn't a neighborhood in El Paso. At least read the leftist propaganda you mindlessly regurgitate so you understand what it's trying to say, if not the full, real story. Maybe take that sabbatical we discussed to sharpen your reading comprehension and general knowledge base.

"“Kill every fascist,” the shooter declared in 2018 on twitter, echoing a rallying cry of antifa ideologues. Over the next year, his tweets became increasingly violent. “Nazis deserve death and nothing else,” he tweeted last October. Betts frequently flung the label “Nazi” at those with whom he disagreed online.

By December, he reached out on Twitter to the Socialist Rifle Association, an antifa gun group, to comment about bump stocks, and the SRA responded to him. (A bump stock is an attachment for semiautomatic rifles that allow them to fire much faster.)

In the months leading to his rampage, Betts expressed a longing for climactic confrontation. In response to an essay by Intercept writer Mehdi Hassan titled, “Yes, Let’s Defeat or Impeach Trump—but What If He Doesn’t Leave the White House?” the shooter wrote: “Arm, train, prepare.”

By June he tweeted: “I want socialism, and I’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round understanding.” Last week, he promoted posts that demonized Sens. Ted Cruz and Bill Cassidy’s resolution against antifa extremism."

https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

lolz! Yes, I already conceded my mixup in a post from yesterday above. What I find amusing is all the regular unprompted spam I get from you. Do you actually think I ever read past a few sentences of your gaslighting babble?

I don't. 😞

Stop acting so bitter just because I called you out on being a serial liar. You imploded under your own volition. Now you're paying the price of someone no one takes seriously enough to read and respond to.

You should redirect all your hostility inward and channel it toward self improvement.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

LOL! Your bubble of delusion is thick. Most people would be too humiliated to hang around after your dimwitted display above, but you return to post that transparent, projection-filled BS. Maybe you're so used to these spectacular faceplants that you no longer feel embarrassment. You can't cite a single "lie" I've told while I can quote numerous lies and blatant falsehoods you've posted in just the past few days.

Honestly, how do you feel about "Doggiedaddy" mindlessly following you off the cliff like that? He apparently didn't even read the link address. I almost hope he is just your sock account. The prospect of him being an actual, separate human being is depressing.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Did he attack Conservatives? Ted Cruz or Bill Cassidy?

No. This wasn't a politically motivated attack. Much different than El Paso.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

He's actually on record advocating for political attacks. For example:

"On the Fourth of July, in response to a tweet on "easy ways to help close detention camps," the account linked to Betts replied, "Cut the fences down. Slice ICE tires. Throw bolt cutters over the fences.""

And he posted ominous things like this:

"I want socialism, and i'll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dayton-shooter-reportedly-supported-gun-control-elizabeth-warren-and-socialism

He was apparently a loud supporter of gun control, so many are thinking he hoped his attack would trigger more gun control laws.

That's actually more politically relevant than El Paso. Killing Hispanics isn't on the platform of any US party and isn't a political issue, and the guy's views clearly long predated Trump (the killer said as much), who's done nothing but condemn such bigotry. By contrast political violence of various kinds is routinely celebrated on the left. Judd Apatow and other Hollywood celebrities tweeted out praise and encouragement during a violent Antifa riot at Berkeley to shut down conservatives speeches, for example.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

SAying people should cut fences is more politically relevant than the El Paso shooters MANIFESTO? Nothing that you wrote has any relevance to the Dayton attack.

Trolling or crazy?

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

Nothing that you wrote has any relevance to the Dayton attack.

I literally quoted the Dayton shooter.

Trolling or crazy?

Am I supposed to pick which one you are?

Just because he didn't leave a manifesto doesn't mean the attack didn't have a political motive. Vandalizing vehicles and property for political reasons is a slippery slope. Lots of activists have started there and slid toward murder. Antifa, which the shooter explicitly supported, is a political terrorist organization known for violent mob assaults against individuals and recently had a prominent member try to firebomb an ICE associated facility, praising the idiot scumbag as a "martyr" after police killed him and calling for more "direct action" to make society "answer" for his death.

The El Paso shooter had an ideological motive but it's not one "politically relevant" to the US political landscape, whereas Antifa, gun control, and socialism are all very much plugged in and relevant right now.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

And your quotes had nothing to do with his motives for the shooting, nutbag. He shot his sister and 8 other people pretty much at random.

Much different than the El Paso shooter, who wrote a MANIFESTO justifying what he did and drove nine hours in order to carry out his shooting in a heavily Latino area.

Not being able to see the difference is a sign of some major cognitive dysfunction on your part.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

And you're quotes had nothing to do with his motives for the shooting, nutbag.

How do you know that, dickmunch? If a conservative had been on record calling for criminal attacks against his opponents and railing against society and he ended up committing mass murder liberals would say there's no question it was politically motivated. Heck, liberals try to claim shooters who weren't even right wing committed "right wing violence" (e.g. Jared Loughner, whom they tried to blame on Sarah Palin despite there being zero connection and classmates saying Loughner was a liberal if anything).

He shot his sister and 8 other people pretty much at random.

So? Doesn't mean there wasn't a political motive, especially with it being a mass killing and not an individual one. And all those ominous quotes hinting at political violence.

Much different than the El Paso shooter, who wrote a MANIFESTO justifying what he did and drove nine hours in order to carry out his shooting in a heavily Latino area.

You're just repeating yourself instead of responding to what I've said, a sign that you're an idiot. Again, I agreed from the beginning that it was ideological. I disputed your contention that it was necessarily more "politically relevant" than the Dayton shooting, as in relevant to US politics. Virtually no one agrees with the El Paso shooter's views. Lots of people agree with the Dayton shooter's views.

I'll also note that in the post you replied to I didn't say Dayton necessarily had a political motive. I corrected another poster who wrongly denied the thread op, which just reports that he was a leftist. You responded with a straw man argument but one that still went too far since you claimed with certitude there wasn't a political motive. I pointed out there's evidence that there may have been. More may come out later.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

What you're arguing makes no fucking sense. How to respond to the ramblings of a madman? Cutting fences is a far far cry from shooting people, not to mention he shot his sister and eight people who happened to be in the area - nothing to do with promoting socialism.
How you can claim that this shooting was more political than the El Paso shooting would boggle the mind, if I weren't so used to you spouting nonsense on this board.

Guy shoots eight people at random along with his sister - as politically motivated as a shooting with a motive that is spelled out in a Manifesto as clearly motivated by politics? The Dayton shooter was upset at his sister and angry at the world. There's no evidence that he thought the people he shot were what antifa would consider "fascists" or had any one particular political leanings. In fact, the majority of them were black, I believe, so statistically its most likely they were fellow travelers.

You're out of your fucking mind.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

Me: You're just repeating yourself instead of responding to what I've said, a sign that you're an idiot.

jacob54311: (repeats himself again, in more halfassed fashion)

See, lol?

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

LOL back at you. Its not like you're bringing up any new points. All I can do is try to explain the obvious to you, but I see I have failed.

You: But but but he liked Warren and Antifa! It's totally like El Paso.

Me: Tries explaining in ever increasing detail why it's not.

You: But you're a big stupid head plus Antifa and stuff. Never mind that he killed people who were more than likely fellow liberals.

More fool me for trying logic on the mentally disturbed.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

You don't have to get hostile and blindly lash out just because you're not bright enough to follow a discussion. I'll try to simplify it.

1. Op reports Dayton shooter is left wing.
2. Leftist poster wrongly denies that, posting the wrong story about a different shooting.
3. I correct that poster with nasty political quotes from the Dayton shooter.
4. You reply asserting there was no political motive in Dayton (new topic since the old one was just about his political leanings; questionable relevance to the thread)
5. I reject your certain claim that there was no political motive, since it's too early to know that and since multiple quotes from the shooter hinting at or even calling for political violence have been reported.
6. You argue that we know the El Paso shooting is more "politically relevant" because he wrote a manifesto.
7. I agree that he wrote a manifesto while the Dayton shooter didn't write one specific to his attack, but argue that a manifesto no one agrees with isn't "politically relevant", and if the theories about the Dayton shooter are correct (particularly the one about him hoping to advance a gun control agenda, which he was known to strongly support) that would be more relevant to US politics.
8. You begin repeating your he "wrote a MANIFESTO" line without altering your argument to address my point.
9. I point this out.
10. You get angry and falsely claim I haven't brought up any new points.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

"I agree that he wrote a manifesto while the Dayton shooter didn't write one specific to his attack, but argue that a manifesto no one agrees with"

It's relevant to his motive. Very relevant, nitwit.

This is a more accurate summary of our exchange.

Me. He wrote a manifesto.

You: Antifa, cutting fences is a slippery slope! And he likes Warren and Bernie!

Me: Goes into more detail about the manifesto and the dayton shooting.

You: repeat

Continues like this for a couple posts, then I point out that the victims were most likely also liberals. I did repeat a few key points but that's only because they seem to have gone right over your head. Notice how my posts got longer? That's because I was adding to my argument, mocking yours, and bringing up details that support my point. I wasn't just repeating that he wrote a manifesto.

And you call me slow?

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Ugh. Why bother arguing with someone who tries to argue that no one agreed with the manifesto (a dubious claim) therefore its somehow not "politically relevant". The shooters motives are very relevant politically, and the manifesto had everything to do with his motives.

That's it. I'm done with you.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

Which isn't the same as being relevant to US politics, moron. And is a straw man argument since no one here denied the El Paso shooter's motivation spelled out in his manifesto.

BTW, your new thread is hilariously stupid. You falsely assert we can be certain there was no political motive in Dayton, but assume that because some of the victims were black (and some weren't) that there was either a racial motive (denied by police) and/or "nothing said or done by Elizabeth Warren or Bernie or any Democratic candidate or Antifa for that matter could explain the Dayton shooter's motives". Why? Because a leftist wouldn't kill a black person? Your post was rushed, is inconsistent, and falls apart logically.

Heck, Antifa attacks black people all the time (physically and verbally, including with nasty racial epithets, especially if they're police), and reporters (including liberals), and random pedestrians passing by. It's an ideology of revolutionary violence which is often more concerned with the societal disruption caused by the display than the particular victims.

And you call me slow?

If I'm being honest, which I always strive to be.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I didn't imply there was a racial motive. The point you babbling fool is that he wasn't motivated by his pro Warren and Antifa sentiments. Why would you kill people most likely to share your beliefs if you're politically motivated? Why would a leftist, MOTIVATED BY THOSE POLITICAL BELIEFS, kill black people AT RANDOM. The motive is key there.

It's like a Marvel comics fan burning all his comic books because he loves them. It makes no fucking sense.

Christ you are thick.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

Again, you ignored what I wrote about Antifa's known practices of assaulting random people (even blacks and liberals) and simply repeat your old assertion like the simpleton you are.

You have to be extremely dull witted if the only type of political violence you can grasp is directly killing your political opponents. Most terrorists are at least sloppy and are often less concerned with specifically whom they're killing than they are with the larger impact. Of course that's aside from the fact that not all blacks are liberals.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

For fucks sake. The only reason I repeated fact the point about his victims mostly being black is because you TOTALLY MISSED THE POINT.

OK, that's it. I'm truly done here. I hope you're just a troll and not just genuinely as stupid as you seem, for your sake. Stupid is forever, while a trolls can see the error of their ways.

BTW. When did ANTIFA ever seriously assault someone who is black AT RANDOM? This is not a common occurrence or something they have ever supported. I can't remember them ever attacking verbally or physically black people in general.

Think, dummie, just for a change of pace.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

The only reason I repeated fact the point about his victims mostly being black is because you TOTALLY MISSED THE POINT.

Shouting doesn't make it true, halfwit.

Stupid is forever, while a trolls can see the error of their ways.

How unfortunate for you. Can we at least agree that:

- The Dayton shooter was a radical leftist.
- He advocated or hinted at his readiness for political violence multiple times.
- You don't know for sure what his motive was.

Calm down, read those three points with an open mind, and let me know if you truly disagree with any of them.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Who's repeating themselves?

I've addressed those points multiple times. I'm done now.

Bye fool. In a way I envy you, going through life so blissfully free from the burden of intelligence. You can just blindly swallow what Hannity and Tucker and their ilk tell you and be satisfied with it.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

After saying you're "truly done here", you proved yourself to be a liar by coming back just to post.....that empty BS? If you're going to flip flop at least substantively respond, moron.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

Leftist "protestors" do crap like that all the time.

https://youtu.be/aPhmk4ZiVJM?t=701
https://twitter.com/lfrenchnews/status/896950108708888576/video/1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coBPnaW5n5A
https://twitter.com/CalNBC/status/1028454081684234240/video/1
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2018/08/he_brought_an_american_flag_to.html
https://www.breitbart.com/pre-viral/2017/08/26/man-arrested-allegedly-punching-black-trump-supporter-boasting-twitter/

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Key word here is random. These were all attacks targeting conservatives. If the politics of Warren and Antifa were motivating the Dayton shooter, why shoot his sister and eight bystanders? You do what Antifa does and go after the people you hate.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

These were all attacks targeting conservatives.

No they weren't. You didn't even click on the links. Certainly the NBC reporter and overt leftist who's a registered Democrat aren't conservatives. The leftist was beaten because he was carrying an American flag to prove that liberals are patriotic too, ironically disproving his claim when the flag triggered his comrades.

Lots of reporters have been attacked because sometimes Antifa types didn't want to be filmed. They attack people who are in their way, not just conservatives. They smash businesses that are there without asking the owners' politics. They attack all cops, spewing nasty racial epithets at the black cop in the first video.

When a guy is routinely echoing leftist rhetoric like "Kill every fascist", "Nazis deserve death and nothing else" (like many leftists these days he falsely labels just about anyone who disagrees with him a "fascist" and/or "Nazi"), calling for attacks on ICE, liking Antifa calls for violence, and saying things like "I want socialism, and i'll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding", it's not shocking that he resorts to flippant violence for whatever reason came up.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

"The leftist was beaten because he was carrying an American flag to prove that liberals are patriotic too, ironically disproving his claim when the flag triggered his comrades. "

Oh, sorry. There was an attack there in which they falsely assumed someone was conservative. They were still targeting conservatives, they just f'ed up.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

And the reporters who were just there filming, not doing anything "conservative" like holding an American flag. And the businesses that were just there. And the cops who were just standing there doing their jobs.

Again, they routinely attack people for just being in their way. The violent rhetoric the Dayton shooter posted is widespread among leftist activists and celebrities. Is it surprising that people who made "punch a Nazi in the face" (usually when talking about US conservatives, who are the opposite of Nazis) a famous meme have encouraged violence in general by their members?

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

For fucks sake, did he have any reason to believe those black people he shot were conservatives (or Nazis as Antifa would call them?). A group of black people just had the bad luck to be standing near his sister.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

And reporters were just there filming as part of their jobs, and businesses had the bad luck to be located there, etc..

Leftists of Antifa's ilk clearly don't care much about individual rights or the value of human life. It wouldn't be shocking for a guy who reposts the vile calls for violence he did to snap and murder several people for standing in line in front of him at Starbucks. I wish that hateful leftist rhetoric was rare. Sadly millions of people have been programmed to view their fellow citizens as dehumanized. There's no limiting principle that neatly contains that to proven conservatives, especially when pretty much everyone is supposedly a "Nazi" anyway.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

And those reporters were attacked because Antifa didn't want them reporting on what Antifa was doing. It wasn't RANDOM.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

They weren't "conservative" either, but you completely missed the point. The leftist activist mind set encourages violence. It makes atrocities like the Dayton killer's more likely, regardless of the specifics that sparked that attack. If it wasn't whatever it was that day it might have been something different two weeks later.

After all, if it's ok to "kill" someone for disagreeing with you on politics, it's not a big leap to feeling it's ok to kill people for other reasons.

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[–] elcamino (15540) 5 years ago

It was just another nut going off as why his sister got killed. He saw her getting out of college and moving away and leaving him at home to take care of his mother the rest of his life.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

BUt but but he liked Antifa and stuff. Never mind that this is a case where the shooter had clear mental health issues and that he shot his sister and eight other people with no idea what their political leanings were.

ITS TOTALLY THE SAME!

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Why? The Dayton shooting wasn't politically motivated. The shooters politics were irrelevant in that case. He didn't target conservatives, for example.

El Paso was a different case. The shooter wrote a manifesto justifying his shootings in which he used a lot of Trump's language.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/05/when-rally-goer-suggested-shooting-immigrants-may-trump-made-joke/?noredirect=on

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[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

The Dayton shooting wasn't politically motivated.

Maybe, maybe not. You don't know. You're pretending to because that's a self serving narrative, or at least you assume it is. But whether that specific attack was politically motivated or not is arguably not very relevant. The very fact that he was a rabid leftist undermines the liberal narrative that the problem is a bunch of crazy right wingers running around killing people. Plus one could argue that immersing himself in that leftist cesspool cultivated his generally hateful mindset and caused him to devalue human life. All a normal person has to do is watch the full first leftist "protest" video I linked above to support that contention, and make one feel like taking a shower.

El Paso was a different case. The shooter wrote a manifesto justifying his shootings in which he used a lot of Trump's language.

More self serving BS. The shooter's meandering manifesto (funny how you dishonestly clear him of any mental illness) expresses his environmentalism, support for universal healthcare and basic income, and disdain for corporations, as well as a desire to kill Hispanics. In his only mention of Trump he credibly makes clear that his views long predate and aren't tied to the president (he certainly ignored Trump's frequent rhetoric about Americans of all colors being "one people"):

"My ideology has not changed for several years..My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. I [am] putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump's rhetoric. The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/has-anyone-actually-read-the-el-paso-manifesto

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[–] elcamino (15540) 5 years ago

He wears as dress on stage like Beto does though.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/08/05/23/16927896-7324445-image-a-5_1565045159826.jpg

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