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---You don´t think that the woman Betty and Rita see leaving IS Aunt Ruth? You take this `leaving` event the key to place the corpse right AFTER the murder?---
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---What is the reason these two scenes are so far apart in the movie?---
There is no chronological order to dreams. You have to connect the scenes with sounds and images.
There's just one more puzzle.
"What'd I say?"
"That a man's attitude determines to a large extent how his life will be."
"So, since you agree, you must be a person who does not care about the good life."
"How's that?"
"Well stop for a lil' second and think about it."
So, I thought about it, and still don't get it. Since when does agreeing with someone prove you don't care about life? Unless, the cowboy means to suggest that Adam acts like he doesn't care. But, then again, Adam has a fancy car, a big house, a sexy wife and pool in the back. He certainly looks like a guy who wants to enjoy life. Have a look at this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgNt1C72B_4
[quote]The Cowboy says to Adam that he´ll see him two more times when he does bad. ... My point is that we DO see him a second time, but it´s in the second segment. How can this segment precede the first when a `prediction` come true in the second?[/quote]
At the moment, I'm not sure that the second segment with Diane/Camilla came before. I'm not even sure that it came after. Maybe it's just a repetition of the Betty/Rita segment. Except, it seems different. So, I'm still puzzling over how the two segments are related.
As for Adam's first meeting with the cowboy, if I were to take an educated guess, I would place this event at the same time the hitman shoots three people in the Ed's office.
1) Cowboys have guns.
2) When, the hitman shoots the vacuum cleaner, he starts a short circuit. We hear electricity and see lights flashing. This corresponds to the light flashing and the electrical noise we hear in the Beachwood Canyon corral.
Of course, we see no shooting at Adam's showdown, but we do sense the gravity of situation. They meet alone in the middle of the night, with no witnesses. It's dark, lonely, and spooky. And, there's a skull on top of gateway to the corral. It seems like a death threat to me.
https://ulozto.net/file/0thOJM8S7RfZ/mulholland-dr-showdown-mp4
[quote]If it´s Rita´s desire to be at the center of attention and indeed be Camilla, does this mean that she at one time was Camilla but became Rita due to the resurgence of the trauma? Does this mean that the ending of the movie is in fact the beginning of the resurgence of the Dreamer´s trauma?[/quote]
This is the point of the film that still has me confused. Specifically, it's the change of characters and settings that occurs after the event at Club Silencio. Lynch gave the cards one last shuffle, as if the plot wasn't already convoluted enough.
The Diane/Camilla part of the story mirrors in some way the Betty/Rita story, but the two story lines are not in agreement. What happened to Rita was an accident, but what happened to Diane was intentional. I'm pretty sure that the woman in the back of the limo lost her mind when the accident occurred on Mulholland Drive. I know she becomes Rita after the accident, but I'm still not sure who she was before the accident. There is an obvious connection between Diane and Rita. Both were riding in the back of the limo on Mulholland Drive. When the limo stops, both women say the same thing.
"What are you doing? We don't stop here."
[quote]Why do you think it is Betty that the magician is `mind fucking` and not Rita? Do you consider the magician and Betty recreating the actual act of the Dreamer´s Parents and Rita watching it? Now, when it is the Dreamer´s instinctive desire to have sex with her father, than why does she imagine her father to be the perpetrator and her mother to be the victim? Would,´t she imagine these roles to be reversed?[/quote]
Yeah, I guess you're right. It's Rita who gets mind fucked. LOL. However, I now see Betty and Rita as alter egos of the same person. Yet, at the same time, I see Betty as the mother and Rita as the child.
[quote]Instinctive desire? So because she had this desire she is so shocked to find her parents having sex? Than the real culprit is this desire and not the trauma and henceforth you put the blame in and all of itself on her. Is it this trauma that is bothering her OR does she blame herself for `causing` this trauma?[/quote]
Some of the trauma is due to what she witnessed. Some of the trauma is self inflicted; her attempt to punish herself for her own wrong doing. I think we both agree that it's not her fault, but she doesn't necessarily know that.
[quote]You believe the Bum represents the Dreamer self?[/quote]
"There's a MAN...in back of this place. He's the one who's doing it. I can see him through the wall. I can see his face. I hope that I never see that face EVER outside of the dream."
I said before that most of us can't see our own face when we dream. As for the few who do, they often get a very distorted picture of themselves. I don't think the dreamer really looks like that. But, the boogie man represents the dreamer's self image. That is, the dreamer thinks that s/he is ugly. Ever hear of the 'Picture of Dorian Grey'? It's an elaborate way of saying that 'beauty is only skin deep.'
[quote]This suggestion indicates that there is a positive and a negative Camilla. How do you consider them in this light and how do you view the kiss at the party?[/quote]
Adam makes a toast to love, and Camilla says nothing. Diane makes a toast to love, and Camilla says nothing. The kiss represents Camilla's love for herself (narcissism), which normally wouldn't be too bad. But, in light of how Diane is effected...
[quote]What do you believe the meaning of the use of Spanish is? And what about the colors red and blue? Do you think they have a particular function?[/quote]
As for Spanish and French, that just shows that the essential meaning of something is independent of the words we use to describe it. It could also be clue about the dreamer. For example, the lady with the blue her spoke Spanish, which connects her in some way to Rita.
As for whether or not individual colors have any special meaning, I don't know.
[quote]La Llorona is indeed an interesting folk tale. In what way do you think it is relevant to the Dreamer and the trauma?[/quote]
It goes back to the loss of a loved one that you can never regain. La llorana killed her own children, so there may be a connection there as well.
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