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"So, why did they “ruined” the character like that?"
Because Shane Black is a really hit-and-miss type of writer.
"Element of surprise basically."
Well, if someone will take a dump on my face when I'm asleep, there will be an element of surprise. But is it a good surprise, though?
"That is what Shane Black said they intended to do as nobody would expect a twist like that,"
Well, Shane Black also cast a registered sex offender in minor roles in three of his last movies, including Iron Man 3. Nobody would expect that as well, I guess.
"Ultimately it may have been a disservice to the Mandarin, yet it was kind of a ballsy and interesting take on the character which no one saw coming."
Ballsy? How a butchering of an awesome, but, unfortunately, not a very well known comic book villain is ballsy? Shane Black even said that no one was expecting the backlash because the Mandarin is not that well known. And how was it interesting if it completely reduces the character to being basically nothing?
"But at the same time, I dare say it was a rather brilliant move (even if silly) from a filmmaking standpoint."
Well, it was definitely silly. Brilliant? Not so much.
"I think it was a couple things. For starters, they really didn't want to reinforce negative stereotypes,"
That is why MCU cast a black actor in Black Panther to play a comic book character from the comics called "Man-Ape," whose whole shtick is that he is obsessed with the image of gorilla?
"and especially didn't want to jeopardize foreign box office markets."
Should've thought about putting that horrible joke in Spider-Man Homecoming, where a teenage girl says that she wants to have sex with Thor. I'm surprised no one was ringing any bells with that shit. That is far more distubring than putting an Asian villain in your movie. A grown man wrote that joke and put in the script.
"Secondly, I think they were making a very serious point"
Yeah, a very serious point that unfortunately was ruined by a not-so very serious scene.
"about the nature of the dictators and terrorists that are propped up for us to fear."
Very cool, but that is bullshit. Bin Laden was not an actor, and we feared him for a good reason.
"That they're but figureheads for more sinister secret cabals and powers-that-be behind the curtain."
If you genuinely believe that either 9/11 or Bin Laden were a hoax, I have a bad news for you.
"and because fake terrorists who do real evil are actually even scarier than real terrorists."
No, dude, that's not really the case. Not after I saw a video of bunch of middle-eastern terrorists killing a kid who was hiding on a roof from them. To me, that is far scarier than a notion that some white guy with a grudge will try to antagonize terrorists through media.
Oh, my... Uber-Troll, even after IMDB message boards got shutdown, you're still continuing your quest to praise all MCU movies from your fake accounts, pretending to having a conversation with yourself?
Robbie, Connors, Stacy were more like father figures to Peter. They did not even know he was Spider-Man. Well, except for Stacy, who figured it out before dying. No one was making high-tech suits for him and giving him golden opportunities. Peter earned everything in his life by himself.
Actually, no, SHIELD did not mentor him. Nick Fury told Pete that, when he turns 18, he will have to join SHIELD, or he will put him in prison. He kept tags on him, but he was nobody's sidekick.
That's where you're wrong, buddy. Like I said, from the 70s fro the late 80s, Batman's iconic vehicle look like a re-purposed blue chevy. The dark, stealthy look came into comics after Burton's movies. And Nolan's Batmobile is made in the vein of those vehicles. Yes, it's bulkier (because, apparently, it was based loosely on the Bat-tank from The Dark Knight Returns), it doesn't have wings on its sides, but it's still a very unique vehicle. It has a stealthy design and is highly functional. Which is what Batmbolie should be at its core.
"And I like my Gotham City to have a dark, haunting, gothic quality of beauty to it."
I'm not sure if the words "dark, haunting" and "beautiful" can make a very good pair. And I think you're thinking of the Burton's movies again. Gotham of the comics did not have that monstrous, abstract look that Tim Burton's movies had. It was a pretty ordinary looking megalopolis. Look at this drawing by the legendary Jim Aparo:
http://townsquare.media/site/622/files/2010/06/greatbatman09.jpg
Looks like an ordinary city to me.
"NolanTARDS are SNOBS"
Well, at least we're smart enough to not use dumb derogatory names against other fans by putting "tard" at the end.
"They love proclaiming that The Dark Knight, in being so “realistic,” is somehow the most true to the dark, psychologically intense world of Batman."
Isn't that the case? It perfectly exemplifies the best internal ideas of the iconic Batman runs and miniseries - from Denny O'Neil's take on Batman to Frank Miller's.
"They say this because:"
Dude, you've already sent this same reply to a bunch of other people. Get a life. This movie rocks.
Actually, Spider-Man in the Ultimate Universe was not mentored by other heroes, either. In the Ultimate Team-Up miniseries, he went to ask for an advice couple of heroes, but most of them told him to leave this job alone because he's too young.
I know. He kind of sounds like that idiot from YouTube, Andre FutureXmDCcomicsZone. Or one of his followers, because this one is at least capable of spelling properly, wheres Andre can't spell to save his miserable, pathetic life.
"Burton and Schumacher got it right by translating the comics to the screen,"
I don't remember Joker being the real killer of Batman's parents in the comics. I do remember, however, that it was a guy named Joe Chill who killed them. Huh... Frankly enough, wasn't the guy in Batman Begins, who killed Bruce's parents, also called Joe Chill? Man, that Nolan hack, he completely changed the comics, dude.
"so there really was no love or respect for Batman and his world when adapting this."
Yeah, right, because it was Nolan turned Batman into a senseless murder machine, and it was Nolan who put nipples on the batsuit.
"That is why his ridiculous dictum of 'Everything must feel plausible', because he is ashamed of it being a comic book,"
So was Year One and Legends of the Dark Knight ongoing ashamed of being comic books because they adopted "feel plausible" style to their stories? Especially Legends of the Dark Knight series, which was so grounded in reality, it barely relied on the Batman's rouge's gallery and focused more on widespread social threats - drugs, prostitution, corruption, child abuse, what have you.
"he has no respect for it,"
When making Batman Begins, Chris Nolan have personally met with Denny O'Neil and Todd Levitz, long-time DC editors at the time, to discuss with them what you can and can't do with the character of Batman to stay true to the comics. Nolan have also read through most of O'Neil's Batman run. That's from where he got the idea to use Ra's Al Ghul, a character O'Neil created in his original run, as the main villain, because he was not a well known villain and he reminded him a lot of a classic Bond villain. Besides Nolan, those movies were co-written by David S. Goyer and Nolan's brother, both of who were comic book fans. Goyer even wrote for DC at one point.
"It's also why the fanboys and film school dudebros cling so ferociously to the trilogy,"
Because it tells a compelling story by using a believable tone for the stories? Basically, doing the same thing that every great Batman comic did.
"they need the reassurance that the trilogy is as good as 'Heat' or 'Scarface' because they want to be taken seriously."
Okay... So does that mean that the people who loved Jeph Loeb's and Tim Sale's Batman comics also want to be taken seriously because of the fact that those stories were inspired by the likes of Godfather trilogy and crime novels?
Define to me "actual skeek-looking and stylish Batmbolie". What version of the Batmobile is that? The Batmobile does not have a definitive version in the comics. It always varied from one thing to another. At first, it was just a regular car from the 30s. Then it gained its more identifiable features with wings and stuff, and it was changing through time. In the 70s Batman run, Neal Adams designed Batmobile as a blue chevy. And that's how it looked until 90s. But I assume you're talking about the Batmobile from the Tim Burton's movies. Which, yes, looks great, but why does Batmobile in Nolanverse need to look like that version of that vehicle if that version, just like Nolan's, was its own thing, not inspired by the comics? Tim Burton's Batmobile was an original creation, not inspired by the comics. The comics adopted that look for the Batmobile later, but they did not invent it. So why should Nolan's Batman emulate the style of other movies which were creating their own style?
"Gotham City is also pretty ugly,"
You mean one of the most crime-filled cities in all the comics is ugly?
I'm from the future, Flamboyant Queen. Aquaman and Wonder Woman are now the second and third highest-grossing first-entry superhero movies. I hope you're mad, Jimbo.