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You make it sound like this movie had a heap of sex scenes. There's one 10-second kiss and some hugging from the gay couple. Your whole spiel about unnecessary sex falls flat. Also, I figured their kiss was a way to distract the guards and get them to move in close, since the next time we see them in the van all the guards are dead. So I can argue that kiss served a purpose.
"In this movie if the focus of the movie had been the gay guys then you might have made an argument that having them making out was part of the movie, but they weren't the focus of the film so it comes across as just pandering to the LGBT community or trying or score their woke points."
Judging from your posts, I'm sure you wouldn't have watched the film if the gay couple were marketed as the focus. Fine, you don't want to see a whole movie about it.
Then a few minutes of affection between them also ruins the movie (less than 10 minutes out of 120 including their kiss, scenes of them hugging, scenes of them talking romantically to one another). So in short, don't include gays at all to make you happy.
All I was saying is that comics are not all superheroes.
You realize not all comics are superheroes right? e.g. The Walking Dead.
Just saying there's plenty more out there if powers just bore you. Crime e.g. Ed Brubaker's Criminal, Fatale.
Drama: Jeff Lemire's Underwater Welder, Royal City
...and so on.
Very articulate response.
Mad late reply but I can see where you're coming from. Still...fuck Mike lol
Alright, I can see where you're coming from.
So homophobia (which doesn't hurt you) is comparable to cannibalism? Got it.
Got a link for that stat about gay people being in 80% of films? Might seem like 80% since it triggers you so much so you focus on each instance and think the world is ending. Got a link for the stat?
Or the 3%? Can't find a source for either.
"accept sexual deviants and freaks"
If gay people are "freaks" to you that is homophobia lol. Just because you're not burning them at the stake doesn't mean you can be free of that label.
If they're soldiers it makes sense they still want to do what they're best at, which is eliminating threats. Having capitol doesn't eliminate the need to solve issues such as kidnappings, unless you're arguing they should have so much money they should have made the world a utopia already.
So you answered yes to my question, basically. Gays get a quota of 3% so that their presence doesn't bother you.
"I guess straight people have their genre of straight films too: PORN."
And pretty much any movie without gay characters, which is a lot.
"I don't walk around TELLING everyone I am a heterosexual and thus like sex with women. Why do gays have to do it?"
I must have missed that scene in the movie. Some serious homophobia man.
lol she's been around for a while but the comic always describes her as Scythian.
Down to debate this, you mind being more specific though?
One small thing to mention is that their time span doesn't automatically make them omniscient. In the comics, Andy (the grandma of the group) is really bad with technology and asks Booker if he can get the tape from the cameras. He then has to explain that they're connected to a satellite and that there is no tape.
She meant that she felt like Niles purpose was to remind her of what it felt like at the beginning of her immortality. Feeling invincible instead of apathetic and tired of everything. Niles also motivated her to get her head back in the game since she had to shepherd someone through the changes and their new life.
There is no relation in the comic between new member and oldest member dying. After all Qunyh is still alive and kicking at the end.
Concerning her involvement post-mortality, maybe at this point Andy is down to die whenever it comes. She'd rather live out the rest of whatever time she has left doing what she's always done.
Ah true, good point.
"Agreed, despite my thoughts he probably wants to simply be made mortal and live out a life - not be mashed to bits by my horror machine."
Lol, love that sentence.
Yeah, the fact that the immortality is random makes Booker more eager to find someone who can hopefully explain it (and end it) with science. They don't really have the tools or knowledge to do so themselves.
In the comic she's over 6000 years old.
True but I guess I figured they must have had that convo plenty of times over the last 200 years since he was with them. At the end of the day they're sticking to their mission and can't give him what he wants.
And to your first point, I doubt Booker (the one that betrayed them) ideally wants one of the painful options you laid out. He likely just wants to be able to live out a normal life (likely with a partner) before his time comes and he thought Merrick could help him find the key to that.
So any inclusion of gays is an agenda? So films should just never include them?