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Fixing Rey
What would make it good?
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Only a fool would say definitely "there is no god"
I can't believe its still going
Can it be good?
Changes from the Book that were good?
So JJ is back
Is it possible that Jon (Show) and Griff (book) have been combined?
preferred ending change after season 7?
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"The film did not show us that someone like Rey in a place like Jakku can't know how to pilot any ships."
It gave us no reason to assume someone like Rey can. In this case the burden of proof is on the one presenting the story. Not the one observing it.
Deflection, unable to answer? worried you've been called out? Given what i have seen of you, especially since you were unable to even realize I was speaking of 3 possible people and not one person, you could not even come up with a reasonable response to talking to a brick wall.
Seriously, if you reveal your approximate age and IQ level or at least give some credibility in your intelligence I will offer mine.
What is your IQ and how old are you? Seriously I want to know if I am talking with someone that is mentally challenged, extreme old and suffering from Alzheimer's, or maybe someone extremely young and completely without experience?
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Says you. "
ah that's the source of our disagreement. We obviously watched different movies.
"Those are just your specious preconceived notions."
I had NO preconceived notions which is why my brain did not turn off when watching the film. Apparently yours did.
Be honest did you emotional resonate with Luke in the first film? I sure didn't but I still cared about the story and even his story even though I thought he was annoying. You can care about people or characters without needing to be emotionally invested. Again you are demonstrating some seriously demented arrogance.
"If an author doesn't intend there to be an emotional catharsis then I'm not interested."
But maybe someone else would be interested. Jesus, this makes so much sense. Your a complete narcissist. TFA emotionally resonated with YOU, and nothing else matters.
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No. Reactions like the ones that a few people have to TFA are learned behaviours which are a symptom of notions of ownership of the narrative, and therefore intelligence. So they are about protecting a presumed intellectual status. A good writer leaves it up to the audience's intelligence. They don't play up to an utterly specious set of intellectual standards. If people get used to their perception of their own intellect being pandered to then they react negatively to anything that neglects to satisfy that purpose. The irony is that their solutions actually dumb the story and the audience down."
Come on now, do you honestly believe this crap? Does the phrase cognitive dissonance mean anything to you? There is a difference between subtlety and things not making sense or being lazily contrived by plot needs. Here is an example,Luke's build up of being a pilot is built up for the entire film (one might make the case that it is just as inexplicable but that would be bullshit) before he flies. Rey's reveal of being a pilot is literally seconds before she is piloting the falcon in some of the most grandiose manners ever. How can you see there and pretend this was intellectually written? you are so full of crap I think I can see it dozing from the screen.
"First, show her doing more than being a loner and only scavenging. Instead have her doing things like show her socializing in jobs as a pilot in between camps with scavenged goods. She is both socially 'normal' and a great pilot so they should do things to show why she is like that. Maybe show her have a few friends while on piloting jobs for Unkaar and quick little social exchanges. Like she gets back from scavenging and Unkaar only gives her 1/4 portion and says 'if you want the rest fly the parts to "Y" camp and collect payment'. Then show her doing that instead of the wasted time with a 'pilots' helmet eating by herself and staring at an old lady 'dreading' her own future. Show that she is too busy to dread anything and that is why she doesn't leave on her own. Too busy to think about leaving would make more sense than what we got, of course it would make her less sympathetic to millennials.
Next, show her doing a fighting pit for money(food). Show that she willing participates and is competent in an fighting arena; maybe even with multiple weapons. This would suggest she has being it for some time and would make her later battle prowess not only acceptable but cool. Again this would likely make her less of a sympathetic character. What is the key part of the sympathetic - pathetic.
Third, show her having some exchanges with the Church of the force or suggest she knew them and was sad to hear they were all killed. Maybe Finn could tell her that is where he was escaping from and she is saddened by this and he gets a chance to consul her, which would humanize her and give their relationship and chance to develop naturally. Also it would help making Finn look less pathetic. Also it would explain her ability to pick up the force if she had heard more stories about it previously. "
Do you not understand what contradiction means? all of these fixes are based on the contradictions or at least seemingly contradiction of the characters ability vs background.
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