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I JUST SAID ABOVE IT HAPPENED!!! REREAD IT!
But what happened was a HANDFUL of guys. You saw NOTHING about all the other millions of soldiers in the war.
And you're still IGNORING my question: if Diana singlehandedly ended the war, please explain why the warring sides were on the verge of signing an armistice [i]before she ever even showed up[/i].
Yes, I saw them hugging. It's there is the film. SO WHAT!?! A handful of people who just survived a massive fiery explosion hugging each other does not mean that ALL the soldiers -- MILLIONS of soldiers -- on the Western Front, the Italian Front, at sea, in Africa, the Middle East, ALL of them suddenly dropped their weapons and started singing "An Die Freude". And if Diana singlehandedly ended the war, please explain why the warring sides were on the verge of signing an armistice [i]before she ever even showed up[/i]. You keep ignoring that part.
So, on your side of the argument, we see two or three people hugging -- which could be entirely down to their just having survived when the entire base around them went up in a huge fireball, and they can't believe their luck. On my side, we have the KNOWN fact that armistice negotiations were already well underway before Diana ever left the island, that, and the KNOWN fact that Ludendorf had to take out most of his own high command to try and prevent an armistice from being signed, and the KNOWN fact that Steve had been ordered to take no action lest it derail peace talks.
Even with all the combatants under Ares' influence, peace was about to be made. Killing him simply removes some of the ill will and bitterness he was stirring up, which everyone was about to make peace in spite of [i]anyway[/i].
Yeah, I think its safe to say you're wrong. Thanks.
I disagree. She wasn't beautiful enough. Lucy Lawless was very good looking, don't get me wrong. But Diana is a literal Greek goddess (or demigoddess at least), who were as idealized for their beauty as much as the male gods were for their ideal physicality. It's entirely appropriate for the character to have, absolutely stunning, perfect 10 good looks, and I'm sorry, but Lawless didn't (Lynda Carter did, back in the day when she played the role on TV -- and she wasn't built like a weightlifter either, BTW).
I also reject the notion that Wonder Woman needs to have massive, weightlifter-like muscles. Her strength is magical in nature, and given that, there's no reason she has to be huge.
And I've been hearing for years, every time someone broached the topic of a Wonder Woman movie, from countless Xena fans, Lucy Lawless, Lucy Lawless, Lucy Lawless, ad infinitum. It's frustrating that some people are so lacking in imagination that once they see someone in a role that person is good in, they imagine that this same individual is the only possible choice in the [i]entire[/i] world for a similar type of character.
Dude, I am a police officer on a department with about 750 officers. We have SOME female officers who are very fit and have more muscle than most women because they are into fitness. And we have some who are five foot two and weigh a hundred pounds dripping wet. I work with one every day is average height for a female (about 5'6"), and average weight (about 125lbs). We also have some who are carrying some extra weight they shouldn't be carrying. They come in all sizes and all levels of fitness, just like male officers do.
The idea that ALL female police officers are huge, bulked-up weightlifters is an absurd over-generalization, and is simply not correct.
Dude, have you ever seen actual Greek hoplite armor? It was what they based the general look of WW's outfit on, with a few alterations to make it tie in with the comic outfit the character has always worn, and it makes sense given the Amazon's origins in Greek mythology. Greek hoplites also wore armor on their lower legs (they're called greaves, BTW), and also wore no armor at all on the thighs. It wasn't considered necessary, as they're shields covered the upper parts of the legs along with the torso, and extra armor means extra weight and restricted movement. In the real world, there are many, many examples from many, many cultures of armor being limited as a trade off for better mobility and lighter weight. Not ALL soldiers before the modern age of firearms always wore all the armor they could possibly hang on themselves.
Greek hoplites also wore a tunic that ended in a short skirt little, if any longer than what we see Diana wearing in this movie. In fact, sometimes, Greek hoplites wore NO clothing under their armor -- so below the breastplate, and above the greaves, they had all their junk hanging out -- and we have numerous depictions of this in ancient Greek art. Here is just one; a quick google search will turn up many others: [url]https://chechar.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/hoplites.jpg[/url]
Different cultures have different taboos about showing skin, and some have none at all about complete nudity. Ancient Greece had no taboos about male nudity, but it was different for women. On the other hand, the Amazons were always intended to be an inversion of Greek social norms about the role of women, and the Amazons of Greek myth behaved more like male Greek warriors than they did real Greek women in the ancient Hellenic world.
I have no problem with Diana's outfit. Her costume is stylized for this modern, fantasy/comic movie interpretation, but it's not all that different in design from ancient Greek armor, and provides about the same coverage.
[quote]ARE YOU KIDDING ME? SHE TOTALLY IS! She ended World War I by herself, are you kidding me? They literally had her end World War I!
Give me a break.[/quote]
No she bloody well didn't end WWI by herself. When she arrives in London the governments are already in armistice negotiations. Ludendorf kills several of the German High Command officers who want to continue negotiations and reject his plans for another attack. Steve Trevor is told several times that his mission could jeopardize the ongoing negotiations. The armistice negotiations are taking place, and they are what ends the war.
Steve and Diana blowing up one weapons depot and killing one high ranking German general (and British diplomat -- but no one apart from Diana even knows he was ever there) is not something that is [i]ever[/i] stated to be the decisive, war-ending event. The viewer is left to assume that the negotiations proceeded and the armistice was agreed upon by the governments of both sides. The actions taken by Diana and Steve don't affect the negotiations, except insofar as they eliminated Ludendorf, who was about to derail them with his chemical attack on London. Most people were smart enough to figure that out.