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"All you could conclude from your design is "Group B reacted more strongly than Group A"."
Yes, that's the point of the study. I think there might be a misunderstanding. One group is only shown the photo and the other group is only shown the painting.
I think you are underestimating random assignment and random selection. The whole point of random assignment and random selection is to eliminate group bias. With a large enough sample size and random selection + random assignment we can eliminate group bias as a confounding variable. Worst case scenario, the experiment could be replicated, if same results take place over and over then we can conclude with even more accuracy that group bias is not a confounding variable.
"You see, in one group, you may have a bunch of hardened photojournalists or doctors or maybe just flat out sociopaths. In the other group, you may have Christian housewives who never watch rated R movies, and Elementary school teachers. The groups would have to be one. Of course a person immune to visual violence would have different reactions than a person who is not immune to visual violence."
I'm not sure if you are familiar with psychological experimentation and experimentation in the scientific field in general. Typically experimenters use random sampling or random selection (i.e taking random people from the population being investigated) and they use random assignment (i.e. the randomly selected people are then randomly assigned to the groups), this method tries to eliminate sample bias.
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I thought of an additional question for the audience. Would the reaction be different if it were a North Korean comedian holding the head of Kim Jong Un. Similar premise right, a comedian holding the head of a country's leader. Would the fact that the person's head being represented being a member of the out-group (or hated enemy group) have any bearing on the resultant reaction?
This question is really an aside. I'm more interested in the reaction to whether or not categorization as art is important in the reaction.
You would me more willing to forgive them if you understood a bit about human psychology.
People have a deep deep evolutionary based desire for self-preservation and preservation of kin or immediate family i.e. spouse, offspring etc. You don't even have to take my word for it. Think about this in your life.
If you were told to kill your daughter to save 2000 anonymous strangers in North Korea, you might be tempted to say that you would make the rational moral decision in this hypothetical unreal scenario, that is: kill your daughter and save the 2000 people. But, in the real world I guarantee that the decision would be much much more difficult and you might end up making the morally irrational decision.
People show an incredibly strong and deep genetic preference for kin. This preference is morally irrational, but evolutionarily rational, those 2000 strangers don't carry your genes or those 2000 might not be the future bearer of your offspring.
Both the pilots on board the Covenant had spouses on the planet. The people on the planet were driven by self-preservation.
It seems like your topic has been effectively railroaded.
Incredible analysis! I hadn't thought about this when I saw the movie. Admittedly I saw it a long time ago when I was young. Your interpretation is very valid.
Another thing that supports your argument: As I recall there is nobody else in the film. This brings to mind the philosophical question: "if a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears it fall did the tree really fall?" There is no way to know either possibility, whether there are actually two people or just one.
Yes, TheSmashingTesticles was right in the first line. Then he went off on a cathartic tangent.
US and Canada are racially diverse because they are a product of colonialism. The native population has mostly been killed off from disease and genocide.
A lot of countries starting from the middle wast and going eastward including China and India are fairly racially homogeneous.
Europe is racially diverse because Europeans at one point or other colonized many eastern countries and people from those countries sometimes migrated to Europe.
Nowadays wealthy people from countries like India (especially India) tend to migrate to western countries particularly so that their children can become enriched with better education. Higher education in many regions like India and the middle east tend to have poor higher education thresholds because educational facilities are bogged down thanks to religion.
Now I went off on a tangent...
Can you please elaborate on what exactly you are not sold on?
Perhaps I can convince you. Or perhaps you can convince me about why I'm wrong. I encourage discussion and don't want people to take my idea as absolute fact. This is why I had to make my original post so lengthy. I had to put down all of the evidences present in the film that led me to my conclusion.
Considering the broad definition of serial killer, I recommend you guys check out the korean film: The Wailing (2016)
That's what you think, m'boy.
I think their removal of confidence comes from their awareness of having fucked someone so terrible and hideous.
Those poor girls...
The fuck you on about mate?
Myun-ga from The Yellow Sea. But, but without any guns. Only knives and hatchets.
Very insightful observation. I hadn't considered this particular aspect. Thanks.
The fairly recent movie Catfight (2016) has a lot of similarities to his movie. Although I don't think Catfight is quite is good. Carnage is much more effective.
That being said, I have a very high opinion of this movie so it's difficult for any movie to compete.
It's okay. I think you are not the exception. Almost everyone had the impression that the shamans were bad guys. It's the most popular theory on the internet.
The movie intentionally attempts to deceive you and lead you into those conclusions.
You only get the real answer if you analyze further and know a little bit about oriental mysticism, it's views about death and the characteristics of evil spirits.
I don't claim to know a lot about oriental religions. But, I have seen a good amount of anime and and I watched the 2013 horror movie Rigor Mortis (great movie btw, highly recommend it). Death and resurrection is a common theme in asian horror.
In Rigor Mortis too, the mystics have to guide dead souls so that they don't become possessed by evil spirits.
Evil sprits in asian cultures are known to be extremely deceptive. The spirits lul their victims into submitting rather than using a straightforward approach. The theme persists in this movie as well. In this movie, the evil spirit not only deceives everyone in the village, but it also deceives the audience.
The city shaman even states "She will tempt you."
I still don't know everything about the movie. For instance, I'm still confused about how the flower works (the one that dies). We see the flower twice in the movie, but I haven't found a concrete theory as to how it works based on the evidence given. Maybe I missed some hints. I do propose some speculations about how it works in my long analysis post, but they are only speculations.
Yes, the Japanese guy was performing passage ritual for the guy in the car. The city shaman was performing death hex on the Japanese guy.
Both rituals were interrupted. Japanese guy's passage ritual was interrupted by pain from the death hex. City shaman's death hex was interrupted by Jong-goo.
Interruption of Japanese guy's passage ritual made dead guy come back as a zombie instead of preventing the resurrection altogether.
Interruption of city shaman caused the death hex to fail and not kill Japanese guy.
I go into detail about the hints that led me to these conclusions in my other thread.
The shamans use photos to help in performing a final passage ritual so that the dead bodies don't become possessed. The guy in the car came back as a zombie because his final passage ritual was only partially complete, remember it was interrupted by the death hex.
Nobody performed a passage ritual for the Japanese guy because his dead body was thrown off the side of the road and there was no shaman around to take a picture and perform the ritual. This is why his resurrection was a complete transformation.
What makes you think that the Japanese man is evil? This seems to be the most popular claim.
Ofcourse at the end of the movie he shows his transformation. But, at this time he had already died. His dead body was possessed by the evil spirit/ghost just as the man in the car's dead body was possessed.
All of the stories about him being evil, being a ghost, wanting to suck people's blood, him using the photos to possess people come from inaccurate sources: from inaccurate accounts by townspeople, from the evil deceptive spirit herself, from Jung-goo's deputy (who I believe was possessed).
When the girl said she has set a trap, she meant she has set a trap for the city slicker shaman, not the Japanese man. The Japanese man was already dead and possessed, she got what he wanted in regards to him.
What makes you think that the city slicker shaman is evil? Are there any specific clues? If he had some ulterior objective and wanted to possess the family, why would he want so much money to perform the death hex? It seems his only incentive to help the family was the money. He was performing the death hex on the Japanese man because Jung-goo mistakenly made him believe that the Japanese man was the evil spirit.