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Boys are assholes, but girls are evil. I have sisters, so I would hear a lot about their drama. Some of those girls would literally knife each other if they knew they could get away with it.
This show has a whole range of parent/home situations. It ties the behavior of the kids to the parents, in most cases.
It will affect different age groups in different ways. People who were in high school 20 years ago either knew people like these characters or were these characters. Watching it hit me in a hard way because I know I had a hand in driving at least a couple to the edge, and thankfully they never went through with it. Some years after high school, I did lose someone to drugs, because she didn't believe she deserved to be with me. I didn't understand it at the time, I thought I did something wrong. Before this show, I had already realized I needed to empathize more and not be an asshole to people. Watching this brought back that whole process I went through.
Younger folks get hooked in by the high school drama of the first few episodes, by then, they are very invested in the characters. They probably have been exposed to some of the stuff they say and do, so what may initially turn off adults is precisely what brings the younger audience in. Because kids in social situations make big deals out of things adults may consider to be trivial. I suspect they all have had suicide fantasies, where they'd do it just to see what everyone else says about them after they're gone. The last few episodes I think are designed to shatter those fantasies.
Marcus, because that guy acts like a weasel.
Even though she was not in the best emotional state when she went out walking, she had enough sense not to be in the hot tub alone. She was going to get out when Jessica got out, but the other 2 said they were staying in for a while but then she felt peaceful by the time they did get out and did not realize she was alone with the raper.
Yeah, it was the end of the road and they would have had to almost stop to turn left or right. If it were a full intersection, I could see where a missing stop sign would be more dangerous.
It's possible Tyler was involved, but also if you look at the Alex scenes after he and Jessica broke up, he is consumed by guilt over the fallout from "the list", and pretty much crying for help every time we see him.
People react differently regarding likability, but I think most are sympathetic by the end. I liked her for most of the series, but it is also very frustrating because she has her faults, and never really learns how to overcome them.
Episode 5, her attitude toward Clay changes. Clay is a good dude, he just needs to learn to communicate his feelings and also not worry his parents so much.
It illustrates her insecurities, and probably she felt betrayed because they didn't tell her upfront. I've known girls like that, regardless of how hot they are, they get upset when guys ask about hooking them up with one of their friends- the one who gets all the attention.
Come back into the office. That's what she really wanted.
The whole point is that she had no reason to kill herself. That's part of the show's message. The other part being, do what you can to leave your door open to those around you, because you don't know much a seemingly small thing can help or hurt them.
I don't think they are too concerned with people not watching because it's netflix and they release all the episodes at the same time. There are some bits in episodes 6,7,8 that are important later, but I agree they could have condensed them into 2 or even 1 episode. At the end of episode 12 and during episode 13, she explains more about why they are on the tapes and how it all fits together.
There is a big turn in the show between episodes 8 and 9
It seemed like she wanted to document that she tried to ask for help, she wanted people to know she had no other option. Porter sealed it for her by telling her there was only one other option, she took that to mean either she has to confront Bryce or proceed with her plan. She wanted him to give her any other option besides those 2, but she didn't know how to say this to him directly and for whatever reason, he did not pick up on it. If his kid was a bit older, he might have recognized it, because a lot of kids act like that when they really want help.
Unhelpful Yoda! Unhelpful Yoda!
I'm not really sure how I would take this show if I watched it back when I was 17, but being much older and wiser now, I think the takeaway is they want kids to say these things face to face instead of making tapes or writing notes that people won't get until after suicide. Also showing the parents in constant pain looking for answers, I would see as a powerful deterrent.
There's another point they make about revenge versus justice, but that doesn't get clearer until about halfway through.
IMO she seems to take over scenes. Not always a bad thing, but over time, the directors let her do it more and more until it affects the writing.
She was in denial and it was easier to believe the lie, but also she wanted Justin to tell her the truth. That's why she was engaging in risky behavior and hanging out with Bryce more and more, so Justin would eventually be forced to confront it. Even though it shattered her world, it allowed her to move forward. She got rid of the liquor, shut Justin out and told Clay not to burn the tapes.
I think she did it intentionally. At the beginning of the tape she said she was going to play mind games with him, like he did with her. She knew he had enough heart to keep it, but she took that away from him in the eyes of the other people who listened to the tapes.
Not really, just that he was a friend who had a place in her life, but wasn't really connected to the other kids. She had to trust him enough to carry out her last wishes.